What Melted Cars 7 Blocks Away From WTC

Apparently Dr Bill Deagle has stated basically the following

"4th Generation Micro-Nukes were used in the destruction of the towers. Thermate alone could have never created a 1500F Rubble pile that stayed hot for 6 weeks thereafter. A super advanced form of nuclear weapon, upon detonation it emits a heat pulse up to 4 million degrees centigrade, causing the pillars of the towers to simply turn to dust."

He also has pointed some pretty direct fingers - stating that his high level NSA contacts have stated it was in effect a sub-contract job using Israeli Mossad Nuclear Technicians and Russian GRU agents.

Originally posted by Sauron
What would have done this, if it was only jet fuel induced fires at WTC

The site hosting these pictures propose Star Wars Beam Weapons, what ever that is.

Well that aside, I don't know what would have done this, any ideas.

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notice mostly all the vehicles have no tires, strange?


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did it ever occur to u that those cars where from ground zero and they were moved. think!!

He isn't saying that they were or weren't moved. He is saying what made the vehicles the way they are... Same goes in my thread but I am demanding pretty much a straight answer...

Since you Official story people have all the answers..

And before you spout off about debris you may want to look at my thread...

Have a nice day.

Originally posted by logicaltruth14

Originally posted by Sauron

did it ever occur to u that those cars where from ground zero and they were moved. think!!

Hey logicalthruth, did it ever occur to you to read the thread you are posting too?
You will see what I had said, I don't think anyone denies the fact that some vehicles had been moved.

It's assumed by some they where moved to get more first responders on site.




[edit on 30/4/2007 by Sauron]

If the destruction of the towers involved some type of high tech government nuclear device then we're really in trouble.

reply to post by wingman77


Why is it SO hard to believe that our government has developed a new weapon? They spend trillions of dollars a year developing new weapons.. you think their going to advertise to every yeehaw in the country that they have them? WAKE UP!

Our government has used our own people and our own soil to "test" their weapons before people. Why do you think they would not do it again?? WAKE UP!

I'll bet the first time we dropped the atom bomb people were saying "it can't be.. that couldn't happen...it's science fiction, etc." Just because they put it on the evening news does not make it "true". Open your minds and think.

Why are the gas tanks on these cars not exploding or on fire?

Looks like port Authority got their demo after all.

Where is all the concrete?

approx. 99% of the concrete was totally pulverised (that's over 250,000 tons of concrete). You would expect to find most of it stacked up in large slabs from a natural collapse.


What i find slightly more jarring is what happened to the steel! According to Port Authority they actually recovered 160,000 tons of the 200,000 tons of steel, but approx 14,000 tons of steel was 'too contaminated' to recycle and had to be buried. That leaves us with about 25,000 tons of steel that apparently vaporised during the collapse. Official studies of the dust cloud created by the collapse showed that it contained tiny specks of steel that were once beams and structural core elements from the building in the cloud.

Ok, Maggots - Listen Up... We have a Anti-Armor Weapon, That's right, No Army can defend itself from our weapon *here check out the Investigators who developed it his name is Hutchinson and the effect is called Hutchinson Effect... ok, no rocket science yet, lets try watching some rocket science...

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I used to adhere pretty much to the DEW scenario, as I thought that it answered a few questions that nothing else could. Then, I began reading, in depth, the writings of Anonymous Physicist and am now convinced that small nukes, of a particular kind...he goes into the details as to how they work...had to be used to get the effects seen.

EMP blasts do NOT affect people. They affect metal and when a device like this goes off, it spews rays that are directional and vary according to many factors such as how much is in between objects, shielding, etc.

THAT is why we see cars exploding on fire, sometimes buring only to the doorframes. Leaving half untouched is a perfect example of EMP: The metal conduct the waves and a great charge is let out...but when it reaches the doorframe, it loses the conductivity and stops there. Line of sight helps make sure that some places and things are affected more than others.

There is a paramedic, a aldy, whose testimony told of her being injured by a door being blasted off of a car right in front of her....all of a sudden it just blew up and caught on fire. No people present were affected. Only cars and metal objects. This happened during the ' collapse' of Tower 2 and 6...and when the others were brought down similar effects were seen all around the area.

THIS IS SMOKING GUN EVIDENCE !!!!!!!! Think about it: ONLY EMP can be shown to cause the effects seen. Even DEW cannot answer this: People were not affected, and if it was DEW it would have ripped everything apart. We are water based and DEW causes heavy reactions in water as well as solids.

Small nukes, very specifically made to NOT burst thru the outer walls, but big enough to VAPORIZE the core steel. How else can buildings drop as if there is no resistance? The resistance was removed when the beams were heated so high that many are deformed and twisted and drooped, sure signs of temps far beyond thousands of degrees..and remember that many core beams are MISSING totally!! Vaporized.

Even a NIST note showed that a scientist remarked that he found prof of vaporization of steel, and evidence of even hotter temps due to finding other elements vaporized that had higher melting temps than steel!!

Anyone that tries to tell you that fires from jet fuel or kerosene or office fires can vaporize anything made of these metals is WRONG, and provably so. Vaporization is IMPOSSIBLE for the official story to sustain. They cannot explain it, so they just deny it!! Except they admit it also...it is there in print but the media never reports it.

Nukes explain the TOTAL dustification of virtually all of the concrete, PEOPLE, and other objects as proven. The gigantic clouds of ultrafine dust BLASTING UPWARDS at great velocity, closely resembling the pictures of nukes seen being tested out west.Nukes explain a lot.


1. Nukes explain: The pulverization of the concrete and other things reduced to micron size.

2. Nukes explain the extreme temps needed to vaporize steel over a large area. Thermite cannot burn forever, and could not cause the ground temps that stayed for months.

3. Nukes explain, as NOTHING else does, the toasted cars and trucks and exploding cars. EMP does not affect people, but does affect metals. No other explanation offered so far even comes close to maiking any sense given the facts.

4. Nukes explain the total removal and destruction of vast core members across a large span. Directed properly, these small devices do not make a large sound, as compared to large regular nukes, and explain perfectly what is seen as the Towers begin their death drop into dust.

In each case, a block of stories above the crash zone sits steady and firmly, and then from below it, large eruptionsare seen belching fire and smoke, and in one case the block tilts to one side and SHOULD have dropped over to the side and toppled over into the street. but it did not!! The block of stories STOPPED its momentum, and began dropping straight down onto the top of the remaining structure.

This is because ALL of the resistance below the FULCRUM point disappeared or became unable to bear any weight. The a stunning sight is seen: The block of stories, rather than remaing whole and slamming into the top of the structure and toppling over to one side or the other, simply ' entered the zone at the top of the strike area, and as it dropped it turned to dust!!

Think about that for a moment. The block seems to enter a shredding zone, as it were. As it drops, it does not cause the top of the structure left ( strike level and below ) to be affected hardly at all. Not until the block of stories has turned to dust does the remaining structure begin to erupt and blow up and outwards, spewing vast clouds of fine dust.

The core was reduced to virtual nothingness by a series of small nukes that had the effect of dustification of the concrete and almost all else, and we all have seen the other SMOKING GUN evidence of the SPIRE...a CORE structure that simply fell apart and turned to dust on camera. The steel had been heated so hot that it was unable to bear its own weight.

So, nukes can explain all the items that no other single answer can give.

EMP is the only way you can explain cars bursting apart and catching fire right next to people who are unaffected except for the damage from flying parts slamming into them and burns from being too close. DEW cannot do that....only nukes and EMP.

The Cheney gang has all the tools needed.What began as a plan far away was taken and used by the neocons.There is not a competent terrorist group on earth that Israel has not penetrated or taken over. The plan was to allow it and help it along to get the job done they wanted doing.Of course they had to provide all the equipment...after all, does Osama have nukes now ?

It is SO obvious what has happened to our nation. it is really sad...to think that they could get away with such blatant and obvious error in planning and not be called on it, ever in the press...it sickens me.

The perps knew that they had to risk some EMP damage, and all they could do is hope that a gullible public and a controlled media would not ask about the ' inexplicable anomalies ' that stink to high heaven...unless you put the lid on the garbage can, that is. It may mask the smell for a while, but when the lid comes off...

It is up to us to take the lid off, opne at a time.

reply to post by richierich

EMP blasts do NOT affect people. They affect metal and when a device like this goes off, it spews rays that are directional and vary according to many factors such as how much is in between objects, shielding, etc.

THAT is why we see cars exploding on fire, sometimes buring only to the doorframes. Leaving half untouched is a perfect example of EMP: The metal conduct the waves and a great charge is let out...but when it reaches the doorframe, it loses the conductivity and stops there. Line of sight helps make sure that some places and things are affected more than others.

More conspiracy drivel....

Here are pictures of burning vehicles around WTC - they are within
2-3 blocks of the towers. Set on fire by burning debris from the
aircraft impacts or the collapse of the buildings.

Once a vehicle is set on fire it will ignite adjacent vehicles (called extension in firespeak) until runs outs of fuel

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The so called burned vehicles pictured blocks away were TOWED THERE
in days following 9/11 and parked under the FDR drive

Originally posted by Sauron
What would have done this, if it was only jet fuel induced fires at WTC

The site hosting these pictures propose Star Wars Beam Weapons, what ever that is.

Well that aside, I don't know what would have done this, any ideas.

fire and impact damage is why that car looks the way that it does.

Car that was set on fire:
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Another car from 9/11

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A car accident and fire
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I notice how the last one closely resembles the cars in the pictures you have shown me. The damage to those cars was not caused by the death star. The damage to those cars was caused by fire and impacts.

Much like the picture of the car accident and fire, years after the 9/11 attacks, was not caused by the death star. It was caused by impact damage and fire.

possibly the petrol tanks had been ruptured by falling debris

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by richierich

 

EMP blasts do NOT affect people. They affect metal and when a device like this goes off, it spews rays that are directional and vary according to many factors such as how much is in between objects, shielding, etc.

THAT is why we see cars exploding on fire, sometimes buring only to the doorframes. Leaving half untouched is a perfect example of EMP: The metal conduct the waves and a great charge is let out...but when it reaches the doorframe, it loses the conductivity and stops there. Line of sight helps make sure that some places and things are affected more than others.

More conspiracy drivel....

Here are pictures of burning vehicles around WTC - they are within
2-3 blocks of the towers. Set on fire by burning debris from the
aircraft impacts or the collapse of the buildings.

Once a vehicle is set on fire it will ignite adjacent vehicles (called extension in firespeak) until runs outs of fuel

smg.photobucket.com...

The so called burned vehicles pictured blocks away were TOWED THERE
in days following 9/11 and parked under the FDR drive

You are IGNORING the evidence...again. What about the cars and trucks that burst apart and injured rescue people that were right next to them? They reported NO heat and NO falling debris...the effects were happeneing at the same time the detonations were BEGINNING.

You CANNOT show ANY proof that' falling debris ' could MELT ENGINE BLOCKS WHILE LEAVING the rest pristine. You CANNOT show any evidence that debris from blocks away could ignite cars and trucks instantly, with people amazed that they were bursting apart and catching fire.

If it was debris, the people who testified about being injured by exploding vehicles would have seen it falling and impating the vehicles...they did not.

EMP is the ONLY way to account for what is seen. The tired old ' falling debris' nonsense has been disproven SO many times...you really need to update your guesses to something realistic.

Resuers were INHURED by pieces of cars BLOEING off the frame with such force that they injured people...standing right next to them...can't you get it? Building 6 was not impacted yet by anything, and Patricia Ondrovic, a rescuer, was injured when a part of a car burst off and hit her...she was stunned as there was NO apparent way for it to happen...cars just began bursting into flame, with parts melted...are you REALLY expecting anyone to believe that debris falling from blocks away could melt engine blocks but not produce enough heat to be felt by the people there?

You REALLY must try and find some other way to explain this....EMP answers all the questions....while debris answers NONE. you have to face it; you cannot and never will convince anyone that debris could cause the effects seen...it is ridiculous and impossible.

Cars and trucks do NOT jump and leap and explode in front of eyewitnesses for no reason...there was NO debris falling then...just firemen and others who saw amazing effects that they could not account for...they knew that there was no heat, and no falling debris, just cars blosing up...so give up the falling debris silliness and lets stick to possibilities...and the only one that makes any sense is EMP.

Here is PROOF that debris was NOT involved:

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From that testimony: " KT: You talked about the cars blowing up in your WTC Task Force interview, correct?

PO: Yes.

KT: Can you estimate how many vehicles blew up around you?

PO: At least three and some were on fire as I was running by. I was still on the south side of Vesey running west. The burning cars were between my ambulance and about the middle of the 6 World Trade where the lobby doors were at.

KT: Where you running on the street, or up the sidewalk?

PO: Up the sidewalk.

KT: When these vehicles blew up, was it kind of like what you would see in the movies where the vehicle pops up in the air when it explodes with a fireball coming out?

PO: I remember parts flying off -- I think I got hit with a car door. I remember they were also on fire, but I don't specifically recall the movie type fireball, but there was a loud bang as the door flew off the one car I was running past.

KT: Do you have any idea what was causing these vehicles to catch on fire and/or explode? Was the air temperature really hot as you were running by these cars?

PO: I don't know what was causing them to blow up. I didn't know at the time that I was trying to outrun a skyscraper falling on me, but after I found out what I ran from. I figured it was the impact of the building falling and residual effect. I am not an engineer, so I can only guess at a probable cause. I don't remember feeling any extreme heat.

KT: Could you tell if the vehicles blowing up on the street were only parked next to the WTC 6?

PO: I was only paying attention to my immediate surroundings, if there were any vehicles not near me blowing up, I wasn't aware of them, just the ones closest to me.

KT: What type of vehicles were they (cars, SUVs, trucks -- civilian, non-civilian) that were on fire or had blown up?

PO: They were unmarked cars, most likely privately owned. I didn't see any SUVs, trucks or any "official" vehicles on fire.

KT: Were these cars all parked next to each other?

PO: They were parallel parked. There was no discernable order to what was on fire. It was all very chaotic."


And more from the Task force interview:


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As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the
West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that
set my feet on fire. I kept running. I got news for you, those turn out coats need to be
called burn out coats, cause this thing caught up in flames. They cut two inches off my
hair in less that two minutes, my coat was completely engulfed, and that was the only
way I could see where I was running at that point, because I had a glow from my coat.
P. ONDROVIC
There's hundreds of cops all running up there, and I ended up running through this park,
and I couldn't even see where I was running anymore. I kept running North.
Q: Through North Park?
A: I guess that's North Park. It's a big green, grassy area, and there's nothing
there. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't
near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys
hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess
of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely
independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown. I went home all
bruised that day. Thank God it was only bruises. I just ran into this park along with a
bunch of other people, and stuff was still blowing up, I don't think I looked back, but you
couldn't see anything, everything was just black. I was running and I was falling over
people, cause people were crawling on the ground cause they couldn't see anymore. I
just kept on running north. I could smell water, so I just kept on running towards the
water, cause I knew that my coat was on fire, and I figured well, if I can see a boat over
the water, I'm just gonna jump onto the boat and take that thing to Jersey, cause no one
wants to blow up Jersey. Stuff is still blowing up behind me, as I'm running. I can hear
stuff exploding. I could hear rumbling, the street under me was moving like I was in an
earthquake. I've been in those, so I know what they feel like. It felt like an earthquake.
There was no where safe to go."

I urge those of you who still imagine that ' falling debris ' could explode cars right next to people who report NOTHING falling around them to read the entire interview....this is EVIDENCE of an EMP...there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that debris could account for EXPLODING vehicles and MELTED engine blocks...none.

And do NOT forget that there are examples of melted engine blocks in vehicles that had INTACT gasoline tanks!! Thats right, the gas tank did not explode but the engine block melted!! Explain THAT by falling debris ( invisible falling debris no one ever saw cause a fire) if you can....you cannot.

reply to post by richierich


Could you please cite your sources for the amount of steel recovered/not recovered please? INHO that really deserves its own topic and I would like to research this more.

Originally posted by richierich

EMP is the ONLY way to account for what is seen. The tired old ' falling debris' nonsense has been disproven SO many times...you really need to update your guesses to something realistic.

Let me get this straight.

You're advocating the possibility of a massive EMP pulse doing this, while at the same time leaving radios and video cameras intact.....

More conspiracy drivel....

Here are pictures of burning vehicles around WTC - they are within
2-3 blocks of the towers. Set on fire by burning debris from the
aircraft impacts or the collapse of the buildings.

Once a vehicle is set on fire it will ignite adjacent vehicles (called extension in firespeak) until runs outs of fuel

smg.photobucket.com...

The so called burned vehicles pictured blocks away were TOWED THERE
in days following 9/11 and parked under the FDR drive

Conspire to answer why the gas tanks on about half of those vehicles weren't burned out then.

The cars were moved there. Those pictures were taken several days later.

Originally posted by jprophet420
reply to post by richierich

 

Could you please cite your sources for the amount of steel recovered/not recovered please? INHO that really deserves its own topic and I would like to research this more.

I will look into it but I recall seeing some pics of the core structure remaining and examining the surrounding debris for evidence of core beams and seeing few. I will try and get some real sources but YOu could begin by searching for things like total steels used in construction versus total steel removed...but core beams are a different thing, for many reasons...when i get time I will look into it