Are we hours away from war with Iran??

Originally posted by infinite

Iran's ambassador to Moscow has said the British sailors and marines seized in the Gulf eight days ago may face trial and legal moves have begun, it is reported.

"It is possible that the British soldiers who entered into Iranian waters will go on trial for taking this illegal action," Ambassador Gholamreza Ansari told Russian television channel Vesti-24, according to Iran's IRNA


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Ekkkk!!!

I wonder what the punishment is if found guilty???

Well, war is the only thing I can see happening now...

it seems that "battle lines" or "blocs" are being drawn up, just like before WWI and WWII.

The blocks seem to be (so far):

EU-US

Russia-China

Originally posted by ogblade
I wonder what the punishment is if found guilty???

Jail time i believe..

but no one is really sure.

Whatever punishment it will be, nobody will stand for it. Even having them put on trail will make the situation far worse.

I hope we(uk) do goto war with them, they have kidnapped our soliders in Iraqi waters, we should not stand for this.

To be honest the world would be a better and safer place, if the middle east didnt exist.

Originally posted by michael_vts
To be honest the world would be a better and safer place, if the middle east didnt exist.

Well...I wouldn't go THAT far

Originally posted by michael_vts

To be honest the world would be a better and safer place, if the middle east didnt exist.

I'm pretty sure they return the sentiment.

Its just there so barbaric, beheadings, suicide bombings, in the name of religon,, its crazy but as i said the world would be a lot safer.

I wonder what the punishment is if found guilty???

I may be wrong but for espionage and bringing weapons of war into Iran I think the penalty is death.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
I may be wrong but for espionage and bringing weapons of war into Iran I think the penalty is death.

well...

Things will get very ugly if they are put to death

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
I may be wrong but for espionage and bringing weapons of war into Iran I think the penalty is death.

well...

Things will get very ugly if they are put to death

If it comes to that I am sure America and Israel will be there to help in any possible way we can. I personally pledge to remain in the military if the situation comes to that.

I made this comment on one of the other Iran/Hostage threads:

If Iran insists on holding the hostages I think there are two choices. We either wait them out or exact a price for their actions. It wouldn't be necessary to start a war outright (although there is a risk of that) but it would be possible to offset the internal propaganda lift and oil revenue bump from which Iran has benefited over the last couple days.

I'm thinking something like this:

Britain first gives the Iranian governernment a short window to release the hostages unconditionally. When that window expires they saturate the communications channels to the Iranian population with a message such as:

"Great Britain harbors no ill-will toward the people of Iran. However, your government refuses to release hostages that allegedly strayed into Iranian waters while performing merchant shipping inspections under the authority of the United Nations. We are completely satisfied that this claim is false and have provided your government officials with proof to the contrary. Regrettably we feel that we have no option but to force your government to release our citizens. To that end, we will provide a warning of X hours to the Iranian people to evacuate a particular area. We urge you to evacuate as soon as that warning is received. Again, we wish no ill to the Iranian people but your government has left us no alternative."

Britain then picks a series of expensive targets. Something like the national treasury, for example. When the warning is given giving people in the area an opportunity to evacuate, the building is levelled. This process repeats until the hostages are released.

Granted, Iran could kill the hostages. But again, either we wait until they feel like releasing them or we make their action unbearably expensive.

Anybody remember the Falklands? The Brits will take the proper steps to secure the prompt release OR make an improper Iranian decision a very expensive one for them.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

I would then stand up, offer my hand, and allow the world to see, wether this president is interested in peace, and prosperity through co-operation.
Or wether he wants war, and no peace on Earth.

Neville Chamberlain tried appeasement.

This just in from an esteemed ATS memeber devilwasp (thanks man)..

Here is the definitive proof of the dividing territorial lines with the merchant vessels coordinates shown.



www.dur.ac.uk...

The boundary was defined in the Treaty Relating to the State Boundary and Good Neighbourliness between Iran and Iraq signed in Baghdad in June 1975. The boundary agreement is often referred to as the "Algiers Agreement" because the two governments agreed on the principles for defining the boundary at a meeting in Algiers in March 1975.

Read the actual Treaty here...

1975 Algiers Agreement

I refer to article 7 and 9....

Article 7
1. Merchant vessels, State vessels and warships of the two Contracting Parties shall enjoy freedom of navigation in the Shatt-al-Arab and in any part of the navigable channels in the territorial sea which lead to the mouth of the Shatt-al-Arab, irrespective of the line delimiting the territorial sea of each of the two countries.
2. Vessels of third countries used for purposes of trade shall enjoy freedom of navigation, on an equal and non-discriminatory basis, in the Shatt-al-Arab and in any part of the navigable cannels in the territorial sea which lead to the mouth of the Shatt-al-Arab, irrespective of the line delimiting the territorial sea of each of the two countries.
3. Either of the two Contracting Parties may authorize foreign warships visiting its ports to enter the Shatt-al-Arab, provided that such vessels do not belong to a country in a state of belligerency, armed conflict or war with either of the two Contracting Parties and provided that the other Party is so notified no less than 72 hours in advance.
4. The two Contracting Parties shall in every case refrain from authorizing the entry to the Shatt-al-Arab of merchant vessels belonging to a country in a state of belligerency, armed conflict or war with either of the two Parties.

Article 9
The two Contracting Parties recognize that the Shatt-al-Arab is primarily an international waterway, and undertake to refrain from any operation that might hinder navigation in the Shatt-al-Arab or in any part of those navigable channels in the territorial sea of either of the two countries that lead to the mouth of the Shatt-al-Arab.

As I have mentioned on numerous occasions, Even if We had an incursion into Iranian waters, the correct procedure would have been to escort the offending party out into international waters and make a formal protest to the British Embassy and the UN.

The fact that Iran is willing to risk war over this would suggest to me that there was far more going on and that merchant vessel was very sensitive to the Iranians for some reason... Perhaps it was there ready to take a cargo hold full of Iranian weapons into Iraq and Lebanon??

All the best people,

NeoN HaZe.

[edit on 2-4-2007 by Neon Haze]

Neon, your missing the obvious answer..

That this entire situation has been manufactured. Look at the timing of it, and where it is heading. The idea of assaulting Iran has been on the drawing board for a LONG time, and this "crisis" is serving its purpose to ignite the fire.

Originally posted by shrunkensimon
Neon, your missing the obvious answer..

That this entire situation has been manufactured. Look at the timing of it, and where it is heading. The idea of assaulting Iran has been on the drawing board for a LONG time, and this "crisis" is serving its purpose to ignite the fire.

Even If and I’m not saying it was, but even if our men were intruding on Iranian territory, why did Iran act this way??

Why not just escort our men back out to what they thought was international waters??

Why the need to press this issue so heavily that they would antagonise the west and cause war....

It is Iran that is picking the fight here... not the UK...

I would like nothing more than for Iran to back down and give up the captives peacefully but it doesn't look like that option is on their agenda.

If they square up to us we will be forced to knock them down. Not the other way round…

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.

Originally posted by Neon Haze
-why did Iran act this way??
-Why not just escort our men back out to what they thought was international waters??
-Why the need to press this issue so heavily that they would antagonise the west and cause war....
-It is Iran that is picking the fight here... not the UK...
-I would like nothing more than for Iran to back down and give up the captives peacefully but it doesn't look like that option is on their agenda.
-If they square up to us we will be forced to knock them down. Not the other way round…

-Why? Because they have already been targeted by Israel/US over its nuclear program, and were feeling cornered/isolated.
-We would do the same; Take them onshore, investigate, talk to the other nation, obviously in a more civilized manner though (our leaders don't need to use propaganda, they already have us under control)
-It would have come to this anyway, and they know it. They know that any situation could be turned against them, so they took the oppurtunity to make the first move.

-I disagree. We are both looking for a fight. We are both Illuminati controlled nations.

-And if we attack them, we are going to cause global chaos, and allow the New World Order to advance faster than we saw after 9/11.

We must NOT allow ourselves to be dragged down this route, because ultimately it will end up in many needlessly dying, again.

In the bigger picture, this is about 2012. They need WW3 to keep us in fear, because things have already begun to start accelerating.

Breaking news on Sky and the BBC, links to come......the US is seeking info from Iran on a US citizen that has been missing for over a week now.

Not sure why this has only just been brought up now but it will be interesting to see how this is played out.

Will it be your average missing persons issue, or will it be another detainee?

CX.

Yes. i'd say we are hours away from war with Iran. Personally, I hope it doesn't happen because there are alot of smart, elitist Iranians that don't deserve to die over some foolish shenanigans due to their inane president. Hopefully peace wiill prevail but as you all know the human race has always been a warrior race. Our track record speaks for itself.