#1 Reason To Believe...

With my recent research and direct questioning, I have found out one of the main reasons people believe the official 911 report, over any alternative explanation.



#1 Reason:

"It would be too big a conspiracy to be covered up for so long by so many people. People can't help but talk. A secret is only a secret till you tell 1 person, then it will get out...EVERY TIME."



Ok lets discuss this...

Why do you think it would be hard to cover up and keep quiet? Obviously, the people who planed and executed 911 profited from it in some way. Why would they risk their own lives by confessing? Even if they DID confess, how many people would believe it? Wouldn't the masterminds find a way to silence everyone? Didn't you hear reports about the airport employees getting death threats from the FBI, forcing them to not talk about the flight paths, and recordings from the jets? I did. What about the "missing black boxes" from the jets that crashed into WTC 1 and 2. Supposedly they were found by firefighters, yet a few FBI agents took them and told them to keep quiet? Did you hear about that? What about the death threats to the hotel employees that saw the video near the Pentagon? There is evidence of a cover up with just those stories.

The majority of the 911 helpers would probably be in the government, and they would probably get sent to jail for "threat to national security" if they did say anything. It would be ultra easy to silence any word that did get out, because they control the media. For example, FEMA admitted to being in N.Y. ready for a disaster the day before it happened. Later, the government came back and made a cover up excuse and said "he was tired, and made a mistake". Also, when Silverstien sort of claimed that they CD'd the building, later the government made a cover up story saying "he meant the firefighters effort" even though the building was already empty.

You see it is totally possible to make cover up stories.

According to the official reports, about 21 terrorists/people helped execute 911. How come THEY didn't let the secret out during the planning stages? How can someone believe 21 people can execute 911, and then claim it would take 100+ people if the government did it?

Anyway, I think it is ridiculous to base their belief of 911, on something like this.




[edit on 16-3-2007 by Connected]

Originally posted by Connected
According to the official reports, about 21 terrorists/people helped execute 911. How come THEY didn't let the secret out during the planning stages? How can someone believe 21 people can execute 911, and then claim it would take 100+ people if the government did it?

Because those 21 people thought they were doing something good. Those 21 people thought they were doing God's work and were going to be rewarded. Who WOULDN'T keep something a secret if they thought that?

However, anyone who kept the 9/11 conspiracy secret would be knowingly helping in the biggest mass murder in American history.

You would have to be serial killer evil to do that. Like Hitler, Stalin evil. Do you know anybody like that? I don't. There's people like that, but they're a rare breed.

And how much money would it take for you to keep your mouth shut about the murder of 3000 people? A million? Ten million? A hundred million?

You say threat of death keeps them quiet as well. Would you stay quiet, knowing you might die, if you thought 3000 people were going to get murdered? I wouldn't. I couldn't live with myself. And I'm certainly no moral guy.

At minimum, you're talking dozens of people, most likely hundreds. And none of them had the moral fortitude to reject the money or the threat of death and save those people's lives? Not even one?

Highly unlikely doesn't begin to describe it.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by whiterabbit]

I see you are quoting me when giving the number one reason, thanks, but I do not see how you can come up with this being the number one reason people believe the official story, or part of at.

There is no ONE reason to believe or disbelieve. You have to look at all the evidence, and draw a conclusion. Boiling it down to one simple reason is not going to work.

There are many posts on here that debate EVERY aspect of the 9/11 tragedy. Better off reading through them and finding out what you want to know. I fear that if this thread goes on like your last topic...

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

...that was closed because you and other's couldn't help but argue back and forth and flame each other.

#1 Reason why we believe in the Official Story....

They have proof. You do not.
You can dazzle me all you want with your thermate...minimal plane evidence...Zionists....Alive Highjackers... etc etc.... you can not prove any of it.

Originally posted by whiterabbit
Because those 21 people thought they were doing something good. Those 21 people thought they were doing God's work and were going to be rewarded. Who WOULDN'T keep something a secret if they thought that?

You have a reversed way of logic. Usually when people are about to be a part of something "good" they would tell everyone, and let everyone know they are doing "good". Usually when people are about to be a part of something "bad" thats when they keep the secret. I don't understand your way of thought, but I congratulate you on your answer that you pulled from where the sun dont shine.

Originally posted by whiterabbit
However, anyone who kept the 9/11 conspiracy secret would be knowingly helping in the biggest mass murder in American history. You would have to be serial killer evil to do that. Like Hitler, Stalin evil. Do you know anybody like that? I don't. There's people like that, but they're a rare breed.

The entire Bush family.

Bush Senior, when he was president, would market and push a "New World Order" agenda. He ran ad's in newspapers that had skull and bones on them, with symbols like "NWO". The NWO calls for a massive decrease in Earths population. A figure of 1/3 the population comes to my mind.

Originally posted by whiterabbit
And how much money would it take for you to keep your mouth shut about the murder of 3000 people? A million? Ten million? A hundred million?

Yes, a hundred million sounds about right for me! Everyone has their price.

Originally posted by whiterabbit
You say threat of death keeps them quiet as well. Would you stay quiet, knowing you might die, if you thought 3000 people were going to get murdered? I wouldn't. I couldn't live with myself. And I'm certainly no moral guy.

I would stay quiet, yes. Why? Because even if I did tell someone about 911, who is going to believe me? I'll be killed if I did blow the whistle, and nothing can stop them from carrying out the attacks, so why loose my life over something that will still happen even if I did blow the whistle?

Originally posted by whiterabbit
At minimum, you're talking dozens of people, most likely hundreds. And none of them had the moral fortitude to reject the money or the threat of death and save those people's lives? Not even one?

Not even one? How did you come up with that conclusion? How do you know that some people DID blow the whistle, yet nobody herd it? Covered up before it could be talked about? Heck, didn't that one TV show 'Lone Gunmen' have an episode where jets were hijacked or something and aimed at the WTC?? It aired before 911. How do you know what wasn't someone trying to send a message to the world without getting caught?

Originally posted by whiterabbit
Highly unlikely doesn't begin to describe it.

Thats great, so you are going to base your decision on a bunch of "what ifs" and "this what i would do", personal beliefs? Why don't you wake up, and take a look outside, there are some pretty evil people in this world. People get killed over candy here in L.A.

Originally posted by CameronFox
They have proof.

They do? So what are we all still doing here then? Why are you still here trying to convince us the official story is true if 'they' have proof?

You know yourself you can't even come up with an answer for one of the most basic physics anomalies of the event, the 'South Tower Tilt', yet you claim they have proof?

What proof???? I'd love to see it because then I could start thinking about other things than 9-11. The stuff that contradicts your 'proof' is either ignored or distorted beyond logic.

No. 1 reason for believing the OS is either denial or outright lying, for whatever reason imo. The obvious is staring us all in the face.

theories aren't evidence. Yes there are plenty of pics of airplane parts at the pentagon. even in that crappy pentagon video, you see some sort of plane, cant tell what kind though, it was going 500+mph. If you don't think terrorist could do this, that is silly. i saw some evidence on 911 when a plane flew into WTC. Also just because you see advanced, or what you think is advanced, ariel devices or helicopters doesn't mean there is a conspiracy. Just because the Army Corps of engineers were in New Orleans after Katrina doesn't mean they blew up the levees!!! Things can be explained if you use your noodle. But if you don't want to believe you can find something, run with it, and draw false conclusion. Will we ever know everything about 911....no! Will we ever know the extent of damage inside the WTC by that 757....no!! Do we know it caused coinsiderable damage...yes. "No skyscraper has ever fallen" i read all the time. How many were plowed into at 500+mph by a jetliner full worth fuel?? None correct??

Originally posted by Connected
You have a reversed way of logic. Usually when people are about to be a part of something "good" they would tell everyone, and let everyone know they are doing "good".

Not if telling someone will keep that "good" thing from happening.

Yes, a hundred million sounds about right for me! Everyone has their price.

A hundred million dollars to how many people? And where did that come from? It's not like the president can just write a check for this stuff.

I would stay quiet, yes. Why? Because even if I did tell someone about 911, who is going to believe me? I'll be killed if I did blow the whistle, and nothing can stop them from carrying out the attacks, so why loose my life over something that will still happen even if I did blow the whistle?

Someone on the inside like that would have evidence that could get people to believe. They'd have access to plans, documents, something.

Not even one? How did you come up with that conclusion?

My point was that it's unlikely that not even one of them would of talked.

In all likelihood, lots of people would have come forward.

Thats great, so you are going to base your decision on a bunch of "what ifs" and "this what i would do", personal beliefs? Why don't you wake up, and take a look outside, there are some pretty evil people in this world. People get killed over candy here in L.A.

I know there's evil people in the world.

However, if you think a few dozen to a few hundred of your fellow Americans would all be evil enough to be complicit in mass murder, you're wrong. They wouldn't. I wouldn't, and I'm just another guy. Unless they had some magic way of finding the most evil, soulless people in the country, it just doesn't hold up.

CF Actually the proof are against you guys.
You need scientific proof to sustain your INCREDIBLE CLAIMS.
Start by showing me the pictures of the Shanksville plane later on show me where they identified the plane by their serial number.
Explain me how did they compare the DNA and positively identified the bodies?
Later on start to explain me that little meteorite that reached temperature as high as the sun (paper? jet fuel)
I wont even touch the hole at the pentagon the demolition the bombs etc...
The meteorite is what I am really interested CF.
Ohhh sorry no explanation no answer correct.
lol
Ohh couple more questions:
How may cameras are at the pentagon?
what are the odds of 3 Raytheon employees in 3 different flights? (Its a big big number).
lol CF no answers right?
AHAHHAH the GOVT conspiracy its just plain funny.
Unfortunately 3K ppl died that day.
How can you live with that and spread your incredible conspiracy theories?
Shame on you. Honestly

Connected...what I said about fearing this thread would be closed just as the last one...yeah, it's going to happen if you continue to insult people just because they don't agree with them as you did with this statement

but I congratulate you on your answer that you pulled from where the sun dont shine.

Originally posted by sensfan
I see you are quoting me when giving the number one reason, thanks, but I do not see how you can come up with this being the number one reason people believe the official story, or part of at.

Because every official report supporter I have talked to, mentioned this reason. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, including you.

Originally posted by sensfan
There is no ONE reason to believe or disbelieve.

I am aware of that, this #1 reason is the most common though.

Originally posted by sensfan
There are many posts on here that debate EVERY aspect of the 9/11 tragedy. Better off reading through them and finding out what you want to know. I fear that if this thread goes on like your last topic...

Ive read, herd, and seen everything regarding 911. There are 100's of facts that you official story supporters don't have any type of counter argument for.

Originally posted by sensfan
...that was closed because you and other's couldn't help but argue back and forth and flame each other.

Thanks for bringing that up, now, you are going to help derail this topic as well? Do you guys ever quit? I'm constantly forced to defend myself, and this is a great example of it. You guys cant just debate or talk about something without bringing up things from other topics can you? Are you debunkers trying to fog the air? Cover it with bullsh#t so that its hard to see? Thats a common tactic believe it or not. Get a really good subject going that may possibly shine some light on the truth, and you debunkers change the subject, and go off on something else. That is your only defense right?

Dont answer that... ignore it... dont talk about it again.. get back on the frikken subjet.

Originally posted by piacenza
Explain me how did they compare the DNA and positively identified the bodies?

Family members, I would imagine.

You've got it all wrong.

The #1 reason isn't that a conspiracy cast of thousands couldn't keep their treachery a secret.

That's reason #3 I figure.

Reason #1 is that it simply makes no damn sense why a collection of rich and powerful people would pull off a completely pointless act of mass murder. There is not one single motive that I've heard that justifies the complicated and risky undertaking of such a hideous plan. Not one.

Please, Connected, reach deep into your well of wisdom and cleverness to shed light on me. Give me a decent motive...just one.

(Reason #2, for the record, is that a completely nebulous group of thousands, with no traceable leadership heirarchy, could never pull off such a precise and intricate operation. The odds of failure would be too great and professionals would never assume that level of risk for virtually no payoff. )

Originally posted by CameronFox
They have proof. You do not.
you can not prove any of it.

"THEY"

NIST, FEMA, ASCE, all government controlled.

Ok, so, if there was 3 people in a room and one was killed, and you had to find which guy did it. Would you beleive every single word that came from those 2 suspect guys? You would believe everything they said as if it were fact, and you would support it with no further questions asked?

I hope not. I hope you hire an independant study or crime scene investigator to help you. Although It would be hard to solve, because the suspects had full control over all the evidence, and have unlimited resources to help their case.


I cant prove it? I have video, and photo evidence, and eyewhitnessess. Thats enough to win a court case.

Originally posted by whiterabbit
However, anyone who kept the 9/11 conspiracy secret would be knowingly helping in the biggest mass murder in American history.

You would have to be serial killer evil to do that. Like Hitler, Stalin evil. Do you know anybody like that? I don't. There's people like that, but they're a rare breed.

You are sooo naive it's funny.

How many US citizens dead in Iraq so far?
How many civilians has the US government killed in other attacks on countries, such as Vietnam, Guatemala, etc...The list is VERY long.

The government doesn't care about lives, only power and control. People are just collateral damage, an unfortunate means to an end.

DURING SERBIA'S FORCED depopulation of Kosovo in 1999, Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslavian president, acknowledged that irregular Serbian forces were committing excesses while fighting Kosovar insurgents. He claimed, however, that these were mild when compared with US war crimes in Vietnam.

The US has it's own record of Atrocities

The government lies

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by CameronFox
They have proof.

They do? So what are we all still doing here then? Why are you still here trying to convince us the official story is true if 'they' have proof?

You know yourself you can't even come up with an answer for one of the most basic physics anomalies of the event, the 'South Tower Tilt', yet you claim they have proof?

What proof???? I'd love to see it because then I could start thinking about other things than 9-11. The stuff that contradicts your 'proof' is either ignored or distorted beyond logic.

No. 1 reason for believing the OS is either denial or outright lying, for whatever reason imo. The obvious is staring us all in the face.

Anok... I have sent you U2U's, Ive posted the reasons as to how the towers collapsed... YOU however once again have FAILED to prove ANYTHING. Prove ONE thing with an explination as to HOW. Explain WHAT happened to your tilting tower. You claim OVER and OVER... "simple physics"...yet you NEVER back it up with an explination. EVER. Tell me... heck tell us ALL what happened. Tell us what happened to that tower... simply saying... "it was CD" and not have ANYTHING to back it up does not convince me. Believe it or not I have an open mind....BUT, I take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt. Especially when i am reading posts from people on the internet that never back up what they say with proof.

Once again.. show me where I have lied. HAs any of my posts been inaccurate? Im sure! That does not and will not make me a liar.

Did the government lie? IMO ... yes.. can i PROVE it... well..not it court. It's my OPINION as to me thinking Bush was not doing his job during 911. Thats all.

So in closing...Anok...YOU, my new "foe" need to back up your claims with some type of explination as to what casued the towers to collaspe.



EDIT TO ADD: here is the link to the thread...in my second post on the page I explain the collapse the best way i know... your reponse says NOTHING.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 16-3-2007 by CameronFox]

Originally posted by ANOK
You are sooo naive it's funny.

How many US citizens dead in Iraq so far?
How many civilians has the US government killed in other attacks on countries, such as Vietnam, Guatemala, etc...The list is VERY long.

Come on. We're not talking sending soldiers to war. We're talking about dozens of people just deciding to murder their fellow Americans.

Lots of people would go to war and fight and kill. VERY few would say, "Sure, I'll participate in mass murder on an unimaginable scale."

It wouldn't happen. I know the government is just super evil according to everyone here, but most government workers are just working stiffs like the rest of us. They aren't going to help murder people.

Originally posted by Connected
I have video, and photo evidence, and eyewhitnessess. Thats enough to win a court case.

Obviously not or it would have been done by now.

If there was any IRREFUTABLE evidence there would have been an all out WAR among lawyers and reporters to be the one who hangs the perpetrators.

Originally posted by Essedarius
If there was any IRREFUTABLE evidence there would have been an all out WAR among lawyers and reporters to be the one who hangs the perpetrators.

No kidding.

It's like I said, who WOULDN'T want to be the guy to win a Nobel prize for blowing the lid off the biggest conspiracy ever? Fame, fortune, anything you want for the rest of your life.

Not to mention, our media DESPISES our administration. If there was any merit at all to the claims, they would have a field day with it.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by whiterabbit]

Originally posted by Connected

Originally posted by CameronFox
They have proof. You do not.
you can not prove any of it.

"THEY"

NIST, FEMA, ASCE, all government controlled.

NIST actually hired MORE civilians than 'government' employees for the Towers Collaspe investigation.
FEMA..yes government...I met one of the first responders...he is a firefighter on Cape Cod. (nice guy)

ASCE? um... well.. im really not too sure about that..can you explain how this is...or provide a source?
then throw in the IBEW, Plumbers Union, Nurses Union...etc.. Oh..since we ALL pay taxes...does that make us ALL working for the government?