MPSL/St Paul: Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork

the fact that this is even a news story, is probably more down to the way the cashier asked the person to scan the bacon.

If i was in a store and the cashier explained nicely that she had a problem with it, then no porblem, but if she point blank refused it, and looked at me as if i was the devil, then id have a problem with it.

This would also relate to how fit the said cashier was for the job. We all have to do things in life that we don't like doing, but if thats your job, thats your job.

Its exactly this kind of small incident that will eventually make life harder for all muslims and create inter- community tension.

Also worth pointing out, that if you don't get service from somewhere, you generally leave and take your money and custom elsewhere, you don't make a newspaper story out of it. Theres faults on both sides here.

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Now I can understand why the NWO wants to ban all religions. God put us all here on this earth together with all of the crap that comes along with it. Everyone needs to wake up, get past their unfortunate government brainwashing and get a real life. This is why I always resisted organized religion from the time I could think for myself. This is pathetic. Is anyone with me here??

Originally posted by Azazelus

As someone said before - nation before religion. If this person wants to follow Islam it's up to them but it shouldn't interfere with their fellow citizens lives.

Nation before religion....A bright idea.... Tell that to the neo-Christian crusaders currently trying to run the world....

It was me who brought up the fact that the laws of the nation supercede and trump the laws of a religion in the first place. We have seperation of church and state in the US. Your religious laws apply to you only, not to the rest of the nation.

That is fact and if you want to live under our laws you must accept it. If you want to live under a theocracy, move.

Why do we continue to bicker over such minor disputes?

Humanity will destroy itself....


It was a package of bacon.....

Stop trying to turn it into a holy war.....

Yes, and the cashier could have just as easily acknowledged that fact, scanned the item, and moved on.

If it's such a small deal, why didn't she do so? Why does the rest of the US have to change to accommodate her beliefs?

Exactly it was just a bacon, and a woman asking to get it scanned, its amazing that we are all talking about this, why is this even in the news, ONE woman doesnt want to touch bacon. WOW big deal, forget about it, move on.

Originally posted by 2ciewan
the fact that this is even a news story, is probably more down to the way the cashier asked the person to scan the bacon.

I do not think it is the way she asked. The story made it very clear she did it to at least two individuals not just one and that is what I think caused the problem. I think she saw that she could get away with it once so she did it again. As I sasid several times now if they get away with it they will increase their demands

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Originally posted by _Phoenix_


First of all your country The USA is run by a christian, now you may not know this, but christians originally come from the middle east, yes, from another country, from the other side of the world OMG! now this may be a big shock to you, but its true, sorry.

Your whole life is affected by this christian religion, Marriage, divorce, sins.
But you dont seems to see that.

My country The USA? I'm British. And anyway it doesn't matter if the President is a Christian, that has nothing to do with being able to buy bacon from a shop because that's not a religious action, it's just part of normal daily life.

As for my whole life being affected by Christianity, well that depends on which way you look at it doesn't it? I'm not married. I don't believe in sins, I believe in neutral freewill, if you want to be bad, you're bad and that's that, you're not going to go to see some fictious 'bad guy' in the afterlife.

And I try to let people's religions affect me to the least amount possible, but when people feel the need to bring their religion into other people's lives as in this case it just reminds me why I don't follow religion (i've already been branded with the "you're just a hateful christian" excuse, which is a bit lame tbh). Because it just causes problems!

In all honesty, I couldn't care less about this individuals actions, I agree that being in a job that you feel you can't fulfill seems a little silly, but thats down to the management of the store to decide upon.

My main concern is the way in which examples like this are used to typify the behaviour of all Muslims.

IMO, the term "they" is used a little too freely and without thought.

Although many choose to qualify the term "they" as reffering to radicals, is it correct to assume the same of someone who merely wishes to practice their faith.

Christian pro-lifers don't seem to have a problem imposing their judgements and values on others.

Some individuals chose to be more true to their faith than others, most, IMO, pick and choose when their faith is relevant. This goes for many if not most faiths.

The only reason this was a story which made the news was due to the woman being a Muslim, it was not without prejudice as this thread is not.

Hmmmm..... I think that the next time my boss asks me to print a banner for Notre Dame, I will refuse.... I don't like Notre Dame, I really don't...with it's hunchback and all.....I just ain't gonna print anything for Notre Dame anymore...gives me the willies!!

think I'll Get away with it?

I don't!!! Might possibly get myself fired!

If you're a cashier, go and try it yourself, see how far you get. Refuse to ring up candy for the mom who's pushing their three or four year old in their cart....bet you don't get too far with it either..

my bet is this little lady is either now ringing up the bacon, or not bringing any bacon home in the form of a paycheck!

either that or she is getting treated differently than the rest of us, because the rest of us would be fired if we started to pick and chose what parts of our jobs we were gonna do!

which is why it probably made it into the news....
we all want to pick and chose what parts of our jobs we do, but some seem to think they should be able to, and some others think they should be allowed to based on religion....

well, my religion bans me from handling Notre Dame, it's very descriminatory against hunchbacks....so, I shouldn't have to print those banners, right?

let's all try it this week, see how far we can get!

Originally posted by Koka
In all honesty, I couldn't care less about this individuals actions, I agree that being in a job that you feel you can't fulfill seems a little silly, but thats down to the management of the store to decide upon.

It's also the responsibility of the cashier not to apply for a job that she knows will conflict with her religious beliefs.

The only reason this was a story which made the news was due to the woman being a Muslim, it was not without prejudice as this thread is not.

Is it really just radicals we are hearing about? In the past few months, we've heard about muslims:

Refusing to shake hands at a police academy graduation ceremony

Refusing to carry seeing-eye dogs in a taxi

Refusing to remove their veil for a driver's license picture

Refusing to scan a package of bacon.

Or is the reason we are hearing about more of these incidents due to the fact that there are more muslim radicals than we are led to believe there are?

Personally, as far as I am concerned, people are hired to do a job(s).

I they can't or are unwilling to doing, you fire them and hire someone else who will, thats it, that simple.

I really hate winers at work, do the job or quit-end of story!

Originally posted by jsobecky
It's also the responsibility of the cashier not to apply for a job that she knows will conflict with her religious beliefs.

Maybe, but I've known of a great many people who, when applying for jobs, have fabricated jobs, qualifications and references, not a practice I partake in, but it happens, alot.

Is it really just radicals we are hearing about? In the past few months, we've heard about muslims:

Refusing to shake hands at a police academy graduation ceremony

Refusing to carry seeing-eye dogs in a taxi

Refusing to remove their veil for a driver's license picture

Refusing to scan a package of bacon.

Or is the reason we are hearing about more of these incidents due to the fact that there are more muslim radicals than we are led to believe there are?

I would say that it is safe to assume that the practice of refusing certain tasks when interests are conflicting is not restricted to Muslims, and the reason you are seeing Muslims being specifically reported on is due to the present climate within the states.

As I have already said the story was not without prejudice.

Originally posted by Koka

I would say that it is safe to assume that the practice of refusing certain tasks when interests are conflicting is not restricted to Muslims, and the reason you are seeing Muslims being specifically reported on is due to the present climate within the states.

Would you care to give us some examples of non-Muslims that have tried to [b]FORCE[/b] their beliefs on others?

I have been around for almost 70 years and I cannot recall one group/religion other then Muslims that has refused to serve anyone in the general public. I am talking food here and grocery items.

Now don't try and think you can use abortion because it will not work. Anti abortion is not limited to one specific religion.

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Originally posted by dawnstar
If you're a cashier, go and try it yourself, see how far you get. Refuse to ring up candy for the mom who's pushing their three or four year old in their cart....bet you don't get too far with it either..

Heh I might get a job a McDonalds then refuse to serve any food because my morals say it's bad for people... And it offends me.

Way to cause a bit of unnecessary trouble, eh

Originally posted by shots

Would you care to give us some examples of non-Muslims that have tried to [b]FORCE[/b] their beliefs on others?

I have been around for almost 70 years and I cannot recall one group/religion other then Muslims that has refused to serve anyone in the general public. I am talking food here and grocery items.

Now don't try and think you can use abortion because it will not work. Anti abortion is not limited to one specific religion.

Oh I love it. You are making the rules up as you go along. How hypocritical. Does it matter what it is? Food, politics or whatever?
Bacon is important but what a woman does with her body is not? LOL
I would say when a group of people try to take away your choice in a matter where you once had a choice would be more important than making accusations of taking over the world because someone didn't want to touch a package of bacon.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by shots

Would you care to give us some examples of non-Muslims that have tried to [b]FORCE[/b] their beliefs on others?

I have been around for almost 70 years and I cannot recall one group/religion other then Muslims that has refused to serve anyone in the general public. I am talking food here and grocery items.

Now don't try and think you can use abortion because it will not work. Anti abortion is not limited to one specific religion.

Oh I love it. You are making the rules up as you go along. How hypocritical. Does it matter what it is? Food, politics or whatever?
Bacon is important but what a woman does with her body is not? LOL

Abortion is a woman's choice and there's nothing wrong with it. Buying a packet of bacon is a customers choice and there's nothing wrong with it.
Refusing to serve that customer and telling them to scan it themselves is wrong.

I'd be right p*ssed off, mainly because of the principle that they're being paid for doing a job that I had to do for them.

Originally posted by shots
Would you care to give us some examples of non-Muslims that have tried to [b]FORCE[/b] their beliefs on others?

Off the top of my head, no. I'm just not naive or closed minded enough to believe that Muslim people are the only people in the US to have ever made an issue that is not comparable to this.

I am talking food here and grocery items.

Come now, you want examples of non-muslims pushing beliefs, and the examples have to be specifically food and grocery related.

You are kidding right? Forgive me if I don't entertain this.

Now don't try and think you can use abortion because it will not work.

Well I already did, and why would it not work, apart from your food and grocery criteria. I see it as a perfectly good example. It is people of faith imposing their beliefs, why should it be discounted?

Anti-abortion is not limited to one specific religion.

May I ask why we are limiting ourselves to one specific religion? We are talking the imposing of beliefs, I care not which faith.

Originally posted by malganis
Heh I might get a job a McDonalds then refuse to serve any food because my morals say it's bad for people... And it offends me.

Way to cause a bit of unnecessary trouble, eh

I feel you are confusing ethics and morals with beliefs founded on faith.

And yes you could get a job just to antagonise, but that would be a telling act about your character would it not?

I think a good solution to this Cashiers dilemma would be to be supplied with a box of disposable surgical gloves to use while she is working and case should be closed. I would agree that it is a little ridiculous not to touch the bacon physically but I do not see it as a conspiracy to introduce Sharia law into the USA. I think thats just anti-islamic paranoia.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
I think a good solution to this Cashiers dilemma would be to be supplied with a box of disposable surgical gloves to use while she is working and case should be closed. I

For crying out loud do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Think about it. It is a pizza, it is packaged ergo she never has to touch it in the first place only the package it is in. :shk:

Originally posted by malganis


Abortion is a woman's choice and there's nothing wrong with it. Buying a packet of bacon is a customers choice and there's nothing wrong with it.
Refusing to serve that customer and telling them to scan it themselves is wrong.

Very well put. That would have been my answer also, thanks