MPSL/St Paul: Muslim workers at Target refuse to handle pork

Originally posted by Souljah
I wonder if the same popularity of this kind of news would be, if an a guy from India would refuse to handle cow meat...

Probably not.

Probably because it wouldn't happen that way in the first place. If it was that important to the Indian man, he probably would have taken a different job so as to not create his own dilemma. Some (I said some) of these muslims seem to want to go out of their way to be confrontational, to create issues.

And as far as them being fired and unemployed, that's the last thing we need IMO. Isn't the large pool of unemployed young men in the ME seen as the source of manpower used for terrorism and suicide bombers? Better to throw them into that pool, then have them start a new one here.

Again, it's the unwillingness of some (I said some) muslims to assimilate into the laws and customs of this (and other western) country. There's no place for them here if they want to create their own aparthied system - which is what they're really trying to do.



[edit on 3/16/2007 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
.....You could care less about Target paying wages to a worker and them not performing a task 100%. The thing that really bugs you the most is that it was a Muslim cashier and the Muslim is in the USA. Thats what bugs you.

Exactly....

Sorry for the one liner, but I couldn't have said it better myself.....

We are so quick to judge someone in a situation such as this...What if you were in a similar situation?...Would you be so quick to apply your rules to yourself?

I wonder how hard it was for the customer to scan one package of bacon, and how much of a time difference it took to do so?....

Well, if they were as racist-minded as a lot of you represent yourselves, I imagine all hell broke loose....Over a damn package of bacon..

People are starving in THIS COUNTRY....not to mention the entire world...

Yet, all we can do is sit here and complain how a Muslim woman wouldn't scan a package of bacon....

Get your priorities straight folks....

As a customer I would be quite p****d off if that happened to me; if I had to do the cashiers job for them because their religion said that they weren't allowed. Well if their religion doesn't allow them to do the job properly then why the hell are they working there!?

Now you understand why us Brits get so annoyed because stupid things like this happen all the time over here. And don't come out with that "oh you just don't like Muslims", because it's only bloody Muslims that do this sort of ****!

Originally posted by Souljah
I wonder if the same popularity of this kind of news would be, if an a guy from India would refuse to handle cow meat...

Probably not.

Proves my point. You only wonder. Because Indians aren't so pathetic as to actually moan about something so stupid like that. If they were that concerned they just wouldn't get the job in the first place. Oh but Muslims expect us to accommodate them, do their job for them, etc.

IMO if your religion restricts you from doing something then that's your burden to deal with, you shouldn't let it affect other people who are clear minded enough not to have stupid rules like that and just want to go about their daily lives.

Religion is the cause of too many problems. Keep that **** indoors.

Rant over.

Originally posted by Azazelus
I wonder how hard it was for the customer to scan one package of bacon, and how much of a time difference it took to do so?....

It's principle. Other religions don't move to different countries then start pissing about in this way, most immigrants just try to get along in their new home. We hear about these sorts of occurrences more and more and is it a coincidence that they always involve Muslims? If we let our ways be defined by Muslims they will see that they can get whatever they want just by claiming religious grounds and we will be putty in their hands.

Better to nip the problem in the bud before it blossoms into even bigger problems.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Yes of course its going to be confusing and things will get scanned twice just because the cashier asked the customer to scan 1 package of bacon.

Dude thats just such a lame excuse.

As I mentioned in an earlier post they are just testing the waters today it is bacon tomorrow it will be dog food, the next day it will include cosmetics. Oh and heaven forbid the day comes when they refuse to sell suede shoes to a customer because they are made from PIG products. Oh vey on that day can you see the lines out the door. Yes it will be confusing indeed very confusing.

My point is you and I do not see any Jewish people Nor do we see any India people who also do not eat certain types of meat refuse to sell or handle those items do you??

Now why is that? Well the answer is simple they came here to immigrate into our culture not assimliate it as some others seem to want to do.

Consideration for your fellow human, no matter what their faith, goes a helluva long way. I live in a small town in West Yorkshire, my neighbourhood is predominantly Muslim, and it has to be one of the safest and friendliest of places i have lived for many many years. When my Muslim classmates come round to my house to work on our group-university-study projects, I make sure that they feel welcome, and if that means going out of my way to make a small adjustment in my day-to-day habits to make my guests feel welcome, no big fuss or problem; and they do likewise when I and the other non-muslims in our group go to theirs to work.

Such a mentality of 'conform to my country's values or else' does nothing other than make life harder and more confrontational than it already is, tolerance and acceptance and going just that lil bit out of your way to make others feel accepted within your company, regardless of who they are, speaks volumes of who you really are at heart.

Tolerance, respect for anothers' differences, and an open mind are the key to a happy life...to be called 'brother' by my muslim friends warms my heart and restores my faith in humanity every time

Originally posted by malganis
It's principle. Other religions don't move to different countries then start pissing about in this way, most immigrants just try to get along in their new home. We hear about these sorts of occurrences more and more and is it a coincidence that they always involve Muslims? If we let our ways be defined by Muslims they will see that they can get whatever they want just by claiming religious grounds and we will be putty in their hands.

Better to nip the problem in the bud before it blossoms into even bigger problems.

HA! Immigrants? So since they are Muslim, they are not an American citizen?

Again I ask, isn't this site's motto "Deny Ignorance"...??????

How do you plan to "nip the problem in the bud?"...

Genocide? I'm sure some people here wouldn't mind....

EDIT....Shots, you continue to throw out the word assimilate...

Why would I want to assimilate? That's how people lose THEIR culture, THEIR history, and THEIR pride....Just because you believe you fall into the majority gives you no right to say someone else should just "assimilate" with your beliefs......If you want to live your life as a drone without free thought, then go ahead. Leave other folks, and their choices, alone.....


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[edit on 16-3-2007 by Azazelus]

Originally posted by shots
My point is you and I do not see any Jewish people Nor do we see any India people who also do not eat certain types of meat refuse to sell or handle those items do you??

Funny you mention it but you say that Muslims are testing the waters,but I bet that you don't compalin about almost every single product you buy practically, having the U, P or K for kosher on it that you must pay an extra rabbinical fee for. Seeing that Jewish people only make up for about 2% of the entire US population and the amount of products marked as being Kosher its kinda wierd that so many products need to be Kosher.

Anyway this is an isolated incident. My family owns 2 restaurants and we employ arab christians/muslims,greeks,irish as well as Latinos and never had a problem with mislims serving a BLT,a side of bacon a Bacon and Egg or Ham sandwich. I've also been in tons of diners, restaurants and other places where I never had a problem either. I only had one problem with a Muslim restaurant owner (Not a worker but the owner) after purchasing the store , without notice switched over to Beef bacon rather then pork bacon and since it was his store, it was his option to serve what he chose to serve. It was also my choice not to order from him anymore.

Originally posted by Azazelus
HA! Immigrants? So since they are Muslim, they are not an American citizen?

How do you plan to "nip the problem in the bud?"...

Genocide? I'm sure some people here wouldn't mind....

ok let's say they are American and they were born and raised in the protection and freedom of that prosperous country. They shouldn't be so disrespectful as to interfere with other Americans freedoms then.

If an American goes into a shop to buy some bacon from another American, why should they have trouble with it? Because some religion from the other side of the world says so? Fair enough if this happened in Saudi Arabia or something, but American citizens making each others lives harder for the sake of another country just doesn't make sense. As someone said before - nation before religion. If this person wants to follow Islam it's up to them but it shouldn't interfere with their fellow citizens lives.

And I explained what I meant in the lead up to where I said "nip the problem in the bud" - don't let them get away with too much stupid cr*p like this or else it will happen more. I don't know where you pulled 'genocide' from.

Maybe I am wrong, but isn't businesses supposed to at least try to accomodate for religious views? And isn't cashiers supposed to be courteous to costumers and check out their items?
Seems to me that if a person, any person, because of whatever reason develops a problem while employe Cashing out anything that is normally sold in a American store, well, then they aren't qualified to do that job. It also seems that if that problem is based on a handicap or a religious preference, well, than maybe the store should at least try to accomodate that person by providing them with another position. Of course, for a blind person to take a job as a bus driver and then decide he can't drive the bus and make the customer drive himself, well, I think there's a problem here, isn't there...
the same can be said of a muslim who takes a job as cashier, and then decides he can't do it and proceeds to make the customer do the job for him!!

don't take jobs you aren't qualified for!

[edit on 16-3-2007 by dawnstar]

Bit of a storm in a tea cup this issue, shots you didn't happen to be the customer who was asked to scan the product were you, I can't see how this made news otherwise.

This is like shouting "fire", in your very loudest voice, when someone strikes a match.

The girl probably should have told her employer that she didn't like to handle pork, I'm sure they would have accomodated, unless of course some of the posters here were employing her, in which case it seems she should have been shot.

She is an individual and not representative of anyones future, as shots seems to think and others feel compelled to agree with.

The nature of this thread is very clear, someone somewhere created an Anti-American post so low and behold *poof* this thread appeared.

ThePieMaN got it right with this statement:

The thing that really bugs you the most is that it was a Muslim cashier and the Muslim is in the USA.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Funny you mention it but you say that Muslims are testing the waters,but I bet that you don't compalin about almost every single product you buy practically, having the U, P or K for kosher on it that you must pay an extra rabbinical fee for. Seeing that Jewish people only make up for about 2% of the entire US population and the amount of products marked as being Kosher its kinda wierd that so many products need to be Kosher.

Why on earth would I want to complain in the first place? I have every option to buy or not buy Kosher products.

Anyway this is an isolated incident.

Sure today it is isolated.

As I have stated several times they are testing the waters to see how far they can push Americans in General. This week it was pizza, if we let them get away with pizza this week, next week they will refuse to sell mouth wash.

Let me ask you this if you were a customer that went into a restaurant would you cook your own food if the cook refused to fry bacon for you? Your answer of course has to be no or you are just fooling yourself. I know this probably does not apply to you because you may be a Muslim I do not know. Just insert any kind of situation like Hey I cannot change your antifreeze because it contains alcohol so you have to do it.

Originally posted by malganis
ok let's say they are American and they were born and raised in the protection and freedom of that prosperous country. They shouldn't be so disrespectful as to interfere with other Americans freedoms then.

Can you actually hear yourself saying that with a straight face? How was she hindering another person's freedom? The freedom to buy bacon and have it rang up for you and placed in a bag so that you may carry it home? Gimme a break...This is America...Our freedoms are trampled on every day...We don't generally care about anyone but ourselves..

If an American goes into a shop to buy some bacon from another American, why should they have trouble with it? Because some religion from the other side of the world says so? Fair enough if this happened in Saudi Arabia or something, but American citizens making each others lives harder for the sake of another country just doesn't make sense.

What in the hell are you talking about "making someone's life harder for the sake of another country?" Islam is not something restricted to a country. With your train of thought, I shouldn't be able to pray in, say, Iran...a predominately Muslim state, just because I am an American, and Americans are Christians? HAHAHA! Talk about lumping someone in a stereotypical pile....

As someone said before - nation before religion. If this person wants to follow Islam it's up to them but it shouldn't interfere with their fellow citizens lives.

Nation before religion....A bright idea.... Tell that to the neo-Christian crusaders currently trying to run the world....

Again, I don't see how you correlate being Muslim as not being American....

Your logic is laughable.....

And I explained what I meant in the lead up to where I said "nip the problem in the bud" - don't let them get away with too much stupid cr*p like this or else it will happen more. I don't know where you pulled 'genocide' from.

"Them?" Again, a Muslim?

The genocide "card" probably came from your strong feelings of Christian allegiance and hatred towards someone of a different religion...... We all know what that kind of intolerance leads to...................................................................................................................

I don't know your age, and with your ideology I could make an educated guess.... This is not a personal attack, rather a warning that maybe you should put some thought into how you are living your life, as well as your obvious views of those around you...

God forbid you need a Muslim to save your life one day....

We are all a part of one race..That is the human race...Black, White, Yellow...No matter what god we worship, or what kind of quirky things we try to live our lives by, we all bleed red and we will all surely die one day.

Why must we make each living moment something that causes pain for one another?

Why do we continue to bicker over such minor disputes?

Humanity will destroy itself....


It was a package of bacon.....

Stop trying to turn it into a holy war.....

[edit on 16-3-2007 by Azazelus]

[edit on 16-3-2007 by Azazelus]

Originally posted by Koka
ThePieMaN got it right with this statement:

The thing that really bugs you the most is that it was a Muslim cashier and the Muslim is in the USA.

Well he is so far out in left field it is beyond reason. Does he know my Pulmonary doctor is a Muslim? Nope Does he know my heart doctor is a Muslim? Nope.

Now I could go on but two is sufficient but I will say I have several more examples given my age and heath. He should be the last one to talk about what I like and dislike simply because he does not even know me all he is doing is guessing. Yes it upsets me that some are refusing to carry passengers and sell or handle certain items, but I am not condemning every Muslim on earth only the radicals yet he wants to make me the evil kid on the block when I am not.

[edit on 3/16/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots
Does he know my Pulmonary doctor is a Muslim? Nope Does he know my heart doctor is a Muslim? Nope.

Does it give you a greater understanding of Islam because you have these doctors?

Yes it upsets me that some are refusing to carry passengers and sell or handle certain items, but I am not condemning every Muslim on earth only the radicals yet he wants to make me the evil kid on the block when I am not.

Is it possible to get a link to the Cabbie story...

Originally posted by shots
When is enough enough? It is fine if they have beliefs but when it infringes on others it is wrong.

Is it safe to assume that when you refer to "they" you are reffering only to radicals and not all Muslims?

May I ask at what point someone becomes a radical?

[edit on 16-3-2007 by Koka]

Originally posted by shots
Why on earth would I want to complain in the first place? I have every option to buy or not buy Kosher products.

Anyway this is an isolated incident.

Good luck in finding something thats not marked as being Kosher. Pretty slick.

Sure today it is isolated.

As I have stated several times they are testing the waters to see how far they can push Americans in General. This week it was pizza, if we let them get away with pizza this week, next week they will refuse to sell mouth wash.

You say your Doctor is muslim yet you worry about your Pizza and the Muslim Pizzamaker? I order from Dominoes here in Brooklyn and they are all Pakistani Muslim guys. I order my Bacon and Pineapple pizza without a peep from them in complaint.

Let me ask you this if you were a customer that went into a restaurant would you cook your own food if the cook refused to fry bacon for you?

Apples and oranges here and not apples to apples. Scanning a pack of bacon is different from going out to eat . I go shopping I don't even expect the cashier to bag my groceries anymore, so If a cashier asks me to help her out I wouldn't hesitate to do so. I have had enough of them help me when I needed it and I don't mind reciprocating. A restaurant is quite a different story. When I go out to eat I am expecting that particular service to be done for me and I am paying for that luxury. I should not have to be inconvenienced at all if i went out to eat at a restaurant.

Originally posted by Koka
The girl probably should have told her employer that she didn't like to handle pork, I'm sure they would have accomodated, unless of course some of the posters here were employing her, in which case it seems she should have been shot.

I dunno if the article mentioned wether or not this person came from an Islamic country but chances are if they did, then they might not even know what Pork Bacon is. That wouldn't be an item that they would sell in an Islamic country. Look at the example someone laid out here that Jello is made with pork products. I had no clue and Im 100% American.

Originally posted by Azazelus

How was she hindering another person's freedom? The freedom to buy bacon and have it rang up for you and placed in a bag so that you may carry it home?

The freedom to buy something from a shop without having to be f***ed about by someones stupid rules. As I said, it's based on principle, a cashier is put there to scan products. When she refuses to scan a product and the customer has to do it for them... well something is wrong. I believe in cooperation for progression of society and the human race. This sort of thing just seems like it's slowing down our society for no good reason.

Nation before religion....A bright idea....

A nation needs one set of rules/morals that everyone keeps to otherwise society wont work properly. Imagine a town where everyone just followed whatever rules they wanted. That's we get things like this - pointless wastes of time based on stupid unnecessary principles and views that don't match even though they shouldn't matter anyway.

The genocide "card" probably came from your strong feelings of Christian allegiance and hatred towards someone of a different religion...... We all know what that kind of intolerance leads to...................................................................................................................

I don't know your age, and with your ideology I could make an educated guess....

My strong feelings of Christian allegiance?

Originally posted by malganis
As a customer I would be quite p****d off if that happened to me; if I had to do the cashiers job for them because their religion said that they weren't allowed.

Originally posted by malganis
IMO if your religion restricts you from doing something then that's your burden to deal with, you shouldn't let it affect other people who are clear minded enough not to have stupid rules like that and just want to go about their daily lives.

Religion is the cause of too many problems. Keep that **** indoors.

If you read my previous posts you'd see that i'm not religious at all so don't use that as an excuse. And ideology is based on personal views and experience, not age.


[edit on 16/3/2007 by malganis]

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Anyway this is an isolated incident.

Good luck in finding something thats not marked as being Kosher. Pretty slick.

I do not care if any thing is or is not marked Kosher is that so hard to understand? If I want Kosher I look for a Kosher label other then that I could care less if it is Kosher.

You say your Doctor is Muslim yet you worry about your Pizza and the Muslim Pizzamaker?

That is Doctors with an S. And yes I do worry about individuals who are affecting my life as an individual. They are hired to do a job and they should do it without inconveniencing the general public. In other words if they do not want to handle pork do not take a job where they have pork.


[edit on 3/16/2007 by shots]

I'm a vegetarian, and I think meat is disgusting.(minority view I know.)

If I took a job as a cashier, bagger, or stocker I would expect to have to handle meat. And I would do my job, and scan the damn meat. Yes it goes against what I believe in, and I bet I have a stronger view than this cashier has about pork.

Look we all know all the major religons are made up by men. And hiding behind a religon or using a religon, while taking a job that you knew would conflict, to not do your job is grounds for termination. You can fire people for nothing in the USA.

Now I would also argue this could hurt an strict religous person from advancing in a company, and that is wrong. Sure let Target try to accomodate the person, but if it is not fair to the customers or the company in much slower service. This person should try to seek employment elsewhere.

Originally posted by malganis

Originally posted by Azazelus
HA! Immigrants? So since they are Muslim, they are not an American citizen?

How do you plan to "nip the problem in the bud?"...

Genocide? I'm sure some people here wouldn't mind....

ok let's say they are American and they were born and raised in the protection and freedom of that prosperous country. They shouldn't be so disrespectful as to interfere with other Americans freedoms then.

If an American goes into a shop to buy some bacon from another American, why should they have trouble with it? Because some religion from the other side of the world says so? Fair enough if this happened in Saudi Arabia or something, but American citizens making each others lives harder for the sake of another country just doesn't make sense. As someone said before - nation before religion. If this person wants to follow Islam it's up to them but it shouldn't interfere with their fellow citizens lives.

And I explained what I meant in the lead up to where I said "nip the problem in the bud" - don't let them get away with too much stupid cr*p like this or else it will happen more. I don't know where you pulled 'genocide' from.

I may not need to reply to this, because another member has already done well replying to you.

But you sound really funny, lol.

First of all your country The USA is run by a christian, now you may not know this, but christians originally come from the middle east, yes, from another country, from the other side of the world OMG! now this may be a big shock to you, but its true, sorry.

Your whole life is affected by this christian religion, Marriage, divorce, sins.
But you dont seems to see that.