Bob Lazar and Element 115

Originally posted by Chronic_Blaze

[ I feel for Bob wanting privacy and to not be threatened, but this information is vital to our whole race, its bigger than just Bob's part of the whole picture. Does he not realize that? I hope you understand what Im trying to say.

I understand what you are trying to say. Frankly, the world is not read for this information. Some, maybe, but not the majority. This is what the whole Disclosure Briefing argument is about.

Here is what it boils down to. When a person finally realizes that all of this alien stuff is true, that is, when it finally hits home that, yes,THEY are here and have been for a long time, the first thing that person wants to do is tell a close friend.

Then he wants to tell the world.

The reason he wants to tell the world is that now that he knows its true, he wants the rest of the world to know its true.

Thats not the way things are going to happen. Disclosure is going to happen on a one on one basis very slowly over the next 60 or 80 years.

Most people aren't ready for this information. And Bob knows that. And he also knows that while he played a minor role in disclosure, that it is done for now.

If you try to hurry the process you will be quietly made to look like an idiot and directed to a holding area. (My holding area is ATS)

Relax, enjoy the ride. Walk downtown and look at all those people who don't have the slightest idea what is going on or even care. And smile inside.

Mr. Lear, saying people aren't ready to know the truth is like saying 6-year old children aren't ready for school. They need to go there, it's really simple. They're ready.

The reason for the coverup isn't so much civic disorder, but rather to convince the world of the need for space weaponization through an incumbing false flag attack, blamed on extraterrestrials.

Disclosure of this criminal attempt is in order if we are intent on a) sparing innocent lives and b) embarassing our planet's honour for eternity.

Imagine the first open contact of the third kind will be a fake military operation. How infinitely shameful that would be.

Relax, enjoy the ride. Walk downtown and look at all those people who don't have the slightest idea what is going on or even care. And smile inside. -John Lear

John you are the Man.
I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and it's comments like this that really make me smile. I have found myself frustrated with trying to prove the existence UFOs and the like to my friends and family and all I can really do is just sit back and be happy knowing that I know something that they dont.
Thanks John.


JK

[edit on 14-3-2007 by JKLight420]

That's ridiculous! Of course there's more elements than there are on our periodic table. Scientists know relatively NOTHING about the way everything works, they may like to lead everyone else (including themselves) to believe they're almighty intelligent, but they're not.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's 1000x the amount of elements we've already found.

Originally posted by Thodeph
Mr. Lear, saying people aren't ready to know the truth is like saying 6-year old children aren't ready for school. They need to go there, it's really simple. They're ready.

No, it would be like saying a fetus isn't ready for school. Its ears aren't developed, its brain is not developed, its arms and hands haven't developed. Its digestive system hasn't developed. As a matter of fact it hasn't even been born yet. It has a long ways to go before it is ready for school.

You have vastly overestimated the current intelligence of the human race.

You have vastly overestimated the current intelligence of the human race.

Maybe that's because I'm European...

There are 2 things that come to my mind about Lazar's prediction and another post here.

As far as knowing about 115 it before it was discovered: I know of element 199...

In other words, it's not out of the question to think any of the upper elements will eventually be discovered/manufactured... And to be honest, if we were never able to create element 115, that doesn't totally rule out the posibility that it can exist in the first place...

Now, with the mention that he is wrong because it decays too fast: Different Isotopes often react differently. It may very well be that there is an isotope of 115 that is totally stable, but one that we have yet to be able to create in a lab...

But in the end I would say I believe Lazar's story... I can't fully backup why, but overall he has a demeanor that to me seems authentic...

John Lear, you say that Bob Lazar does not want to prove anything to people and that he doesn't care what people think? Then why in the hell would he go on multiple television and radio programs to explain his story? What purpose does it serve other than WANTING OTHER PEOPLE TO BELIEVE HIS STORY? Who goes out of their way to talk about something so secret that they supposedly could care less if other people knew about it? If Bob really wasn't trying to tell us all then what exactly was he doing? Did he really expect anyone to believe his outrageous claims without presenting any proof? Don't you see how it was almost a waste of his time? There must have been some sort of agenda. The only logical reasons I can think of are for profit or for convincing the public of the truth.

Originally posted by TheStev
Out of curiosity John, does this mean that the element synthesised in 2004 was not 115?

I can't answer for him but only as a physicist.

When you have atomic numbers that high, there are usually many possible isotopes, corresponding to differing numbers of neutrons.

Some may be stable and some may be unstable.

When E115 was synthesized, this means a certain number of protons, that's
it. If there were some stable 115 isotope, it hasn't been produced yet, and
we don't yet know the nuclear reactions to do so.

If, this story of 115 being the key to 'gravity manipulation' is the truth, then it is very depressing, since it means that we (humans) will never ever be going to other star systems except as passengers subject to the whims of ETs.

It is correct that with nuclear reactions from here we will never be able to make remotely enough, and it probably means that in ET systems where it does exist (from powerful supernovae, presumably), the 115 mining industry would be ginormous, and this element extraordinarily valuable and likely extremely rare even there.

The 500 pounds of E115 might conceviably be worth the equivalent of trillions of dollars to them, and priceless to us.

Flying saucer travel might be damn expensive even for ETs.

Also, it would mean that in ET world, E115 is really a 'fossil fuel' of finite quantity, just like petroleum here, except it is the fossil remains of a few rare superpowerful supernovae somewhere in the galaxy instead of dead plants.

You would have the potential for vigorous 'resource wars' like over oil, over the solar systems and asteroids where it would be prevalent.

Same crap all over again.

Originally posted by johnlear
In the summer of 1988 when we first met we exchanged resumes and his contained a copy of a diploma from MIT. His resume along with a lot of other stuff has disappeared from my den.

I know that he told me he went to MIT while he was at LANL. Maybe they sent him somewhere else and then told him it was MIT and Caltech just so he could discredit himself.

If the secret government can have been mining on the moon for 45 years without the general public at least suspecting it then they can do anything else.

I appreciate your comments on Bob's education and the fact that he may have lied about his education.

Well I have never met the man therefore I would have to guess that you would be better able to discern the truth from him better than I. If you are convinced that what this man is saying is true, then I feel I must respect that. If he says he went to MIT and you say you saw his diploma(granted that could easily be faked as well) and believe that he really attended classes there then I guess I would have to believe you.

Originally posted by Diplomat
Things still don't add up. Doesn't NASA hire basically the BEST scientists/physicists in the country? If so, which scientists does that leave for the "secret government" to hire? You would think that the government would get the "top" scientists, and that NASA would get the 2nd tier scientists. This could make sense, except you can trace any scholar back to their universities and through their work... and we can make a safe assumption that the best scientists work for NASA, not a "secret government."

Major universities and national laboratories hire the best scientists, who generally want to work on unclassified projects, because they can publish
and accomplish more. And the quality of life is higher. Who wants to work in bum frack Nevada when you could be in Geneva (CERN) ?

A highly secretive project is not likely to get the best scientists by a longshot,
but most importantly, the exposure of the results would be so small that
regardless of the quality of the scientists, there just aren't enough remotely in quantity thinking about the problem. When things are really hard there's only a tiny chance any individual scientist will make the right breakthrough.

Figuring out the particle physics of an element which can interact gravitationally would take the best minds of Harvard, Princeton, MIT, LANL, Fermilab, Cern, Stanford, Berkeley, etc etc, decades, with lots of experiments and thinking. The entire particle physics community would be attacking this problem with vigor. Look at high-temperature superconductivity ---- even 20 years later with full open research, we don't yet really have a good enough mechanistic, explanatory theory. Fundamental research like this is extremely hard.

John Lear,
I've though about what you've said for a few hours before I decided to reply. As much as I respect you and your opinion, I have to disagree with your idea that the world is not ready for disclosure. I would hope that if people found out their own government was knowingly covering up the greatest discovery in our history, that a revolt would have to take place. The direction their are sending our species is a path to enslavement and destruction. Personally I do not believe our race will last 80 more years on this path.

Why would disclosure only be appropriate 110-130 years after the government first discovered the secret? Why is that timing special? I really don't see us being more educated. If the NWO implements global control I think the population will be enslaved and dumbed down even more. And the way things are playing out, it looks like they will accomplish their goals. I agree not everyone could handle it, by why should a select few from the government be allowed to know, and other well educated interested citizens get the shaft? (not really a question, I know NWO is the answer).

By disclosure on a 1 on 1 basis, what do you mean? Is it aliens abducting us 1 on 1 and letting us know their here? Or are you mean the government will admit their lies? (Don't see how that could work, admitting they covered it up would only cause revolution)

Im trying to understand what exactly your talking about with this disclosure. My brain starts to hurt, and I just get angry when thinking even in my lifetime, nothing will be disclosed by alien or government. Maybe you mean that post-revolution when governments are gone, they will show themselves? I can't see it happening with all the secrets those in power are holding.

Originally posted by Diplomat
John Lear, you say that Bob Lazar does not want to prove anything to people and that he doesn't care what people think? Then why in the hell would he go on multiple television and radio programs to explain his story? What purpose does it serve other than WANTING OTHER PEOPLE TO BELIEVE HIS STORY? Who goes out of their way to talk about something so secret that they supposedly could care less if other people knew about it? If Bob really wasn't trying to tell us all then what exactly was he doing? Did he really expect anyone to believe his outrageous claims without presenting any proof? Don't you see how it was almost a waste of his time? There must have been some sort of agenda. The only logical reasons I can think of are for profit or for convincing the public of the truth.

I have already explained why he did the 5 o'clock news braodcast and then followed it up with the Lazar tape. But if you missed it: they threatened to kill him and shot out one of the tires on his 280Z. Bob stayed at my place that night. The following Sunday morning I did a show with George Knapp called 'On The Record' on channel 8. There was such a huge response that Sunday night that George asked me what we could do for an encore. I said maybe we could get Bob to go public. Lazar agreed to do the broadcast in shadow calling himself "Dennis" which was his bosses name (an inside joke for all of us).

This was to counter their offensive. Nobody made any money with anything.

Bob decided to do the Lazar Tape with Gene Huff about 2 or 3 months later and I doubt if that made any serious money.

Did he expect anybody to believe his outrageous claims? Nobody other than those of us who knew him and the other guys that worked at S-4. As I said, that wasn't the point of the broadcast.

Originally posted by Chronic_Blaze
I have to disagree with your idea that the world is not ready for disclosure. I would hope that if people found out their own government was knowingly covering up the greatest discovery in our history, that a revolt would have to take place.

Much as I would like to agree with you, it appears that a large amount of people are not even ready to accept that humans evolved from apes. If they can be this blinkered, what makes you think that we're ready to accept the existence of extraterrestials?

Much as I would like to agree with you, it appears that a large amount of people are not even ready to accept that humans evolved from apes. If they can be this blinkered, what makes you think that we're ready to accept the existence of extraterrestials?

What makes you think the majority of people can't accept it. I can't be certain we evolved from apes. That doesn't mean I would pull all my hair out and run naked down the streets if I had just been shown proof that aliens are here.

The debate of extraterrestrials existing isn't a debate at all. Look at the vast expance of the universe. We can't be the only ones. To think like that is ignorant.

Accept the existence of extraterrestrials? 83% of people polled in America said they believe they exist. The trouble people think they will have is accepting the fact that they are here on earth and apparently have been for a long time.

Originally posted by Thodeph

You have vastly overestimated the current intelligence of the human race.

Maybe that's because I'm European...

LMAO! I know plenty of Americans and love them, but DAMN that was funny.

John, do you believe we are becoming more intelligent as a race? Do you truly believe we are actually moving towards a point where we (as a race) will be ready, or have we stagnated or are we even moving backwards?

What I'm trying to say is that on one hand I tend to agree that as a race we're not ready for disclosure - but at the same time I don't see us making any steps towards being ready. In fact, I think if we keep going at this rate we're more likely to destroy ourselves and/or our planet before we become ready.

My point is this: maybe we're not ready now. But at the rate we're travelling we'll never be ready. Maybe it needs to just happen, whether we're ready or not. Sometimes people need to be thrown into the deep end, and let survival be their teacher. She's a harsh teacher, but there are some lessons that simply can't be learned any other way.

Ok John, so Lazar gets "attacked" by the government and they shoot out his tire. He then stays the night at your house. Proving that the government tried to kill Bob would add mountains of credibility to the story. So that night, why would you guys not try to document the event as well as possible? Do you have pictures of the blown out tire with a bullet-hole in it? If not, why the hell not? Same thing with the whole "camcorder was sitting on the bumper of the RV" while a SpaceShip was flying around in front of you. Who in their right mind would not document these fantastic events you seem to have encountered so regularly throughout your life? Oh wait, I forgot... everything just "magically disappears" from your den right?

Didn't it ever cross your guys' minds that one day you might want to talk to people about all these incredible events and that it would be nice to have some sort of data/evidence or something that helps your stories? Otherwise why even talk about all of this in the first place? Unfortunately you two are still simply story-tellers in my mind for now...

Originally posted by Diplomat
Ok John, so Lazar gets "attacked" by the government and they shoot out his tire. He then stays the night at your house. Proving that the government tried to kill Bob would add mountains of credibility to the story. So that night, why would you guys not try to document the event as well as possible? Do you have pictures of the blown out tire with a bullet-hole in it? If not, why the hell not? Same thing with the whole "camcorder was sitting on the bumper of the RV" while a SpaceShip was flying around in front of you. Who in their right mind would not document these fantastic events you seem to have encountered so regularly throughout your life? Oh wait, I forgot... everything just "magically disappears" from your den right?

Didn't it ever cross your guys' minds that one day you might want to talk to people about all these incredible events and that it would be nice to have some sort of data/evidence or something that helps your stories? Otherwise why even talk about all of this in the first place? Unfortunately you two are still simply story-tellers in my mind for now...

No, it never occurred to me to document or write down anything. The afternoon Bob got his tire shot out he came over and was a nervous wreck. Document it? Take a picture of the tire? How about keep a copy of all his paychecks from S-4. Sure sounds like a good idea now. But in the heat of battle, when the first shot is fired, all plans change. Like I say, it was the most interesting time of my life.

Originally posted by johnlear

Originally posted by metalmessiah
"Lazar told us he previously worked at Los Alamos National Lab. The lab repeatedly denied it, even after we found Lazar's name in the lab phone book."

just curious if Knapp ever offered up anything tangible to back this up?

Metalmessiah just in case you are not reading along with the rest of us Springer exchanged emails with Knapp. Here is one of his comments:

Bob Lazar took George to places he could not have got into unless a great deal of his "work history" story were true. People at these facilities knew Bob and greeted him warmly. Security waved him right in, etc...

john, here ya go...
tangible -
1. capable of being touched; discernible by the touch; material or substantial.
2. real or actual, rather than imaginary or visionary: the tangible benefits of sunshine.
3. definite; not vague or elusive: no tangible grounds for suspicion.
4. (of an asset) having actual physical existence, as real estate or chattels, and therefore capable of being assigned a value in monetary terms.
–noun
5. something tangible, esp. a tangible asset.

I'm not talking about another third hand story here. as much as I enjoy a good story, a thousand good stories dont constitute proof. dont tell me Knapp, the investigative reporter, has no proof just stories.


thodeph, if that link is what you are accepting as proof I wouldnt go claiming any kind of superiority just yet wouldnt be throwing me on board either.

Here's something that occured to me - we supposedly don't have 115 in our solar system because our part of the galaxy lacks the massive supernovas (hypernovas?) required to fuse this superheavy element right? However Zeta Reticuli (assuming that is where the Greys come from) is right in our cosmic backyard - a mere 39 light years from Earth...

Basically what I'm saying is that if the conditions for 115 aren't right here, why should they be right in a solar system that in relative terms is very, very close to us?