Steven Greers latest conference

Originally posted by yeti101
millerman,

As you said yourself the idea has been around for 100 years, how you make the jump to alien technology escapes me. This idea has been around longer than the "flying saucer" itself. (1947)

When the UFOs started showing up, and crashing, they were found to have very advanced ZPE and anti-gravity systems - capable of interstellar travel. So the MIC has been actively reverse-engineering and developing those systems for 60 years. They already have advanced systems that are ready for mass production, sitting around in underground bases and the like.

btw all ZPE seems to need electricity to run not "nothing" as you claim.

They may need an initial charge from a battery or some other source in order to start up, but once they are up and running and actively tapping energy from the ZPE field, they can power themselves and produce abundant electrical energy for use in our machinery.

Originally posted by yeti101
millerman,

As you said yourself the idea has been around for 100 years, how you make the jump to alien technology escapes me. This idea has been around longer than the "flying saucer" itself. (1947)

btw all ZPE seems to need electricity to run not "nothing" as you claim.

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Flying saucers have been around for thousands of years, you obviously havn't done any research. 1947 was the supposed year of a UFO crash.

*Double post*

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Originally posted by SKUNK2
Flying saucers have been around for thousands of years, you obviously havn't done any research. 1947 was the supposed year of a UFO crash.

Right, ETs have always been around, but they only started crashing once we developed high-powered radar and EM weapon systems and things like that.

Hi,

Nice link to the World UFO Disclosure, kroms33, was the first time I ear about this organization, and they appear to be more near with my previous description of an organization working on disclosure.

This thread is about the conference, but I just add that the Cook’s book (why the video disappeared?) “The Hunt for zero Point” is freely available in PDF in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com... , that also discusses antigravity applied to saucers.

Small parts of the Cook’s video could be found on You Tube, and one part is here www.abovetopsecret.com... (The Bell/Fly trap).

brotherthebig.

Originally posted by millerman

Please go do your homework, and report back once you know what you're talking about.

Millerman - it is statements like these that get us into the tangles that we get into - and then it becomes personal and the mods get involved... so please stop while you are ahead.

I know tons about zero point energy, quantum physics and string theory - they all tie in together. My point IS that ZPE is THEORY - and we have NO WAY to know if it is CLEAN because we don't HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN USE YET.

How about I start some thread somewhere where you and I can debate about ZPE using the 'Casimir effect' or vacuum energy effects within quantum mechanics (since you don't think I have done my homework)?

MY POINT WAS ALSO: ONCE WE ATTAIN ZPE, the means to get to that technology may not be too CLEAN either... NOW YOU GET MY POINT? There is NO way to prove that a theoretical technology IS CLEAN ENERGY.

EDIT : delete this

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Originally posted by kroms33

I know tons about zero point energy, quantum physics and string theory -

No, evidently you don't.

they all tie in together. My point IS that ZPE is THEORY - and we have NO WAY to know if it is CLEAN because we don't HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN USE YET.

That's where you're mistaken. Different inventors have been coming up with working proof-of-principle devices for 100 years. Plus there are the DP witnesses who have testified that NWO/MIC has this technology as well. So it is not THEORY - it is FACT. And we DO know that it is CLEAN - because people have come up with proof-of-principle devices that emit no measurable radiation, pollution or toxins.

Originally posted by SKUNK2

Originally posted by millerman
And in another shocking development, it looks like the full-length version of "Free Energy - The Race to Zero Point" has been taken off Google Video....

Coincidence? Maybe not....

Damn thats a bloody good video too.

Edit: It's not on youtube video either, a bit suspicous in my book any way

It must be a conspiracy!

Originally posted by millerman

Originally posted by kroms33

I know tons about zero point energy, quantum physics and string theory -

No, evidently you don't.

oh really - so... oh knowledgeable Millerman - please please tell me then HOW energy extraction from the Zero-Point fields fluctuations would take place without other sources of applied scientific knowledge such as quantum physics/mechanics?
I bet you didn't even know what the Casmir Effect that I stated even applies to: en.wikipedia.org...

I have done a LOT of reading on string theory, ZPE and quantum physics...

they all tie in together. My point IS that ZPE is THEORY - and we have NO WAY to know if it is CLEAN because we don't HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN USE YET.

That's where you're mistaken. Different inventors have been coming up with working proof-of-principle devices for 100 years. Plus there are the DP witnesses who have testified that NWO/MIC has this technology as well. So it is not THEORY - it is FACT. And we DO know that it is CLEAN - because people have come up with proof-of-principle devices that emit no measurable radiation, pollution or toxins.

YOU ARE SAYING THAT STRING THEORY, QUANTUM PHYSICS AND ZERO POINT ENERGY DON'T TIE IN TOGETHER??? Wow. That took guts to say I was mistaken.

"In physics, the zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may possess and is the energy of the ground state of the system."

Do you know the definition of theory? If it was fact then it would be in use today. Just in case you don't know what THEORY stands for here is the definition: a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena.

It seems from your statements - statements of using other peoples hearsay instead of evidence that you don't know what it is you are talking about when it comes to ZPE/string theory/quantum physics... sorry - but I don't state what other people tell me as hearsay as factual evidence.

As for proof of principle devices: yeah - the Casmir Effect could be applied to that - that still doesn't mean that WE know how it works - or even how to attain a zero point energy field or anything about the advanced dynamics of gravity manipulation in association with ZPE... That is why ZPE IS THEORY and not FACT.

Just because people say something is true - you go on their hearsay? Scientifically - that doesn't hold any water anywhere in the world. I could say I have a time traveling device and people to back my word up - but would you believe me? There are no working models of ZPE devices described by Greer, or any DP witnesses. Show me some ZPE devices that are being put to use today in society and I will give you a giant cookie.
Until there is a working model and an understanding of ZPE - you have no argument that ZPE will not produce toxins, pollution or radiation because YOU do not know that as FACT - since you have never seen any ZPE devices.

This is why Greer will fail at disclosure: he lacks any scientific backing - even with his followers, they take everything in without question and believe everything they are told. Scary. Almost makes you wonder if it is HE that is working as a disinfo agent for the NWO/MIC/Shadow Government... it would explain a lot.

nice rant kroms!

I am not a physicist and I never claimed to have more than a basic layman's understanding of ZPE tech.

But even basic searches like "free energy" or "zero point energy" or "Nikola Tesla" in google, google video or youtube will produce all kinds of evidence of what I'm talking about.

As I said, various inventors have been discovering and rediscovering this for 100 years, all the way back to Nikola Tesla and Hans Coler. So you are demonstrating amazing ignorance in saying that ZPE is still only THEORY and we don't know whether it's CLEAN or not.....

Just because the government hasn't put one of these devices on TV and said "Hey, world! This is a Free Energy device! It produces more power than it needs to run, and it's CLEAN!" - does not mean that they don't exist!

I mean, there is SO much evidence of them on the internet, that for you to say that they don't exist..... wow. Now you are really arguing for the sake of arguing.....

Originally posted by millerman
I mean, there is SO much evidence of them on the internet, that for you to say that they don't exist..... wow. Now you are really arguing for the sake of arguing.....

Again, millerman. You look second-rate when trying to argue with kroms33.

That's an extremely flawed sentence that you typed there in the quotes.

Can we call this the 'millerman precedent' where if there is enough evidence on the internet for something, then said something must exist and be true.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
I mean, there is SO much evidence of them on the internet, that for you to say that they don't exist..... wow. Now you are really arguing for the sake of arguing.....

Again, millerman. You look second-rate when trying to argue with kroms33.

That's an extremely flawed sentence that you typed there in the quotes.

Can we call this the 'millerman precedent' where if there is enough evidence on the internet for something, then said something must exist and be true.

I have to agree with Millerman on this one. If you search the internet there is ample amounts of evidence that people are capable of producing ZPE, the documentory "hunt for zero point" even shows you how to make ZPE using magnets to propel a spinning disc inside a box connected to a generater/motor, with the magnets being controlled electronicly through the use of a computer programme. Alls you need is 1AA battery or a "little" physical effort ie/. spin a disc to start producing "free"(ZPE) electricity.

www.steorn.com

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
I mean, there is SO much evidence of them on the internet, that for you to say that they don't exist..... wow. Now you are really arguing for the sake of arguing.....

Again, millerman. You look second-rate when trying to argue with kroms33.

To YOU maybe, since you're apparently on his "side".... in the "battle" against Greer... (even though this latest bit has nothing to do with Greer)

That's an extremely flawed sentence that you typed there in the quotes.

Can we call this the 'millerman precedent' where if there is enough evidence on the internet for something, then said something must exist and be true.

Well, I call video footage on Google or Youtube of actual working devices, pretty strong evidence.... plus the dozens of documented inventors throughout history who claimed to have a working device and had US patents and whatnot.... plus TDP witnesses testifying to the reality of these devices.... plus things like the New Energy Movement.... and the fact that, like kroms said, there IS support for ZPE in physics and electromagnetics research... [and in fact the research is much farther along than he is evidently aware of]

I understand that you guys want PROOF for everything, but what do you do when there are large-scale conspiracies in place orchestrated by very wealthy and powerful people to withhold/suppress the proof?

You're going to be sitting and waiting for your PROOF for a long, long time - while your planet sickens and dies all around you.

The next best thing is to examine the abundant evidence that IS available, and realize that at least SOME of it must be coming from credible people who are telling the truth....

Oh and BTW, you want proof of a Free Energy device? Well, you need look no further than:

A PERMANENT MAGNET!

That's right, for essentially no cost other than the material it's made of, a permanent magnet emits a continuous force field, a continuous flow of energy, for months and months, even years.... a force field strong enough to defy gravity!

So there you go, more energy out than in.... the proof of Free Energy has been staring us in the face for millenia. So why is it so hard to believe that brilliant inventors could come up with devices that make use of permanent magnets, to transform all that free energy into electrical energy?

Very well put Millerman.
The key to zero point energy is literally the use of magnetism.
It's amazing how some thing so simple has defied our scientists for so long-with 100% probability that it "will" change the world.

Check out this quote from Kurt Vonnegut which I think relates somewhat to Greer's claims, interesting but of course doesn't prove anything:


"I'm Jeremiah and I'm not talking about God being mad at us," novelist Kurt Vonnegut says with a straight face, gazing out the windows of the parlor of his Manhattan brownstone. "I'm talking about us killing the planet as a life support system with gasoline. What's going to happen is, very soon, we're going to run out of petroleum, and everything depends on petroleum. And there goes the school buses. There goes the fire engines. The food trucks will come to a halt. This is the end of the world. We've become far too dependent on hydrocarbons, and it's going to suddenly dry up. You talk about the gluttonous Roaring Twenties. That was nothing. We're crazy, going crazy, about petroleum. It's a drug like crack coc aine. Of course the lunatic fringe of Christianity is welcoming the end of the world as the rapture. So I'm Jeremiah. It's going to have to stop. I'm sorry."

www.bordersmedia.com...

rocketsauce

thats someone talking about the civilized world using a finite resource which will soon run out.

this isnt a new problem indeed enviromentalists & scientists have known for quite some time our oil supplies will dry up eventually. Wishing for aliens to land and supply us with solutions isnt a very practical way to go about solving it.

oil could last us another 50 or 100 years depending how OPEC control the supply. If the entire population of India went out and bought a car today we would run out of oil by Monday. (no joke)

I find it unlikely the US gvt has ZPE tech in hand from aliens. Simply becuase its in the USAs interests to use it now. Right now saudi arabia alone could cripple the US by denying them oil - not a good position to be in.

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yeah of course, but the bottom part referencing a group of crazy apocholyptic (spelling!!) christians caring less and thinking the world is gonna end anyway is the part I think resonates with Greer's message. The other stuff of course is pretty generic environmental talk that's heard all the time and isn't particulary specific to Greer's view.

Greer discusses those involved in 'the complex' and their intentions to run the world into the ground via oil because of their religious idealogy. "When the Worlds Ends Jesus will come and since it's gonna end anyway who gives a *** we might as well continue the current industrial infrustruture in which we have all the power and run the environment into the ground while holding oto power"...

that's what I was referring too. Of course that isn't something completely original either, there are many hardcore religious people involed with oil, but I think it's interesting that Vonnegut, who is a mind and a great critic of society would put those 2 things together in an interview: Oil and apolcolyptic idealogy.

Lasty, I"m not saying Greer is right or wrong, I"m passing no judgement either way. I just found it interesting that Vonneget would make those comments in light of keeping up with Greer's work, which even if it turns out to be complete new age crap, is still fun to read particulary when you sit at a computer all day at work!

Greer's view, although pretty 'out there' and not substantiated with concrete physical evidence at least not that I have seen, would make more sense to me then the other reasons we are given for going to Iraq. In other words, I'd rather believe Greer's wild stories than that the U.S. government is that incompetent Unfortunately, it's more likely our government is stupid.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by c3hamby
...then how would Dr Greer levitating prove anything? I can imagine any one of his critics saying 'it was staged or faked'.

Have you seriously thought that statement through to its natural conclusion???

If Greer levitated, then it would PROVE that everything he says he can do is true.

tezzajw

Could you please detail your sequence of thought a little more?

I mean, if Dr Greer did levitate for all to see, all that would prove is that he could levitate. That doesn't prove ETs exist, or that the government even posseses ET technology.

It just means that Dr Greer can levitate.

If you wanted to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that ETs exist, then you have to present an ET. Dr Greer a few feet off the ground is not proof of an ET.

If you want to prove ET technology exists within secret parts of the government, you have to forceably or agreeably obtain and present that technology from said secret part of the government.

Dr Greer a few feet off the ground is not a presentation of that technology from said secret government compartment, unless he is using that technology to levitate. But Dr Greer states he can levitate without the technology, so we're going with that particular demonstration.

If Dr Greer levitates, all anyone sees is a man elevating. Many have claimed to be able to do this throughout history, separate and apart from the question of ETs. All levitating will do is prove he can levitate, nothing more.

If the government came along and said, 'Ok, we admit it, we've known about ufos all along, and we're going to show you proof'...and then all they showed was Dr Greer levitating, I would be pretty disappointed....

If I am missing something, please clarify how someone raising off the ground proves anything other than that.

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