Steven Greers latest conference

Originally posted by millerman
As I keep trying to explain to you, there are more urgent issues that need addressing. Like the existence of NWO/MIC and their agendas to rule/control the world and their suppression of critical technologies. Like the current state of the planet being essentially a ticking time bomb with all kinds of environmental, political and economic disasters imminent.....

Then why doesn't Greer vector in some UFOs, undeniably, for thousands of people to see? Then people would IMMEDIATELY know that there is higher technology than ours. Also, the fact that Greer vectored in the UFOs would mean that he is in contact with them and that would prove his claim.

Why doesn't he continually vector in the UFOs?

As for vectoring UFOs, there are good reasons why he made it into a formal training program. This way he can train many more people to do the same thing he does, so if anything happens to him, there are others to continue the work that he started.

So, why aren't all of these trained people sitting down vectoring in UFOs above every town and city where they live day and night to achieve disclosure?

The issue has been raised, "why don't they bring a camera crew along and record everything and put it on TV?" This article talks about that, about how they HAVE had camera crews along and, surprise surprise..... the footage didn't end up being broadcast on TV.

No, no, no, millerman... Bring hundreds of people with hundreds of cameras. Camp outside TV studios and vector in the UFOs above the TV studio airspace! Greer and his gimps can sit in a circle and vector in all the UFOs they want above TV studios. He can even have other groups of gimps sitting outside opposing TV studio networks, so that they can vector in more UFOs.

Imagine groups of Greer's gimps vectoring UFOs over O'Hare and other airports. The proof would be undeniable and he wouldn't need to continue with his Disclosure Project, as he would be rolling in millions of dollars while shining his Nobel Prize.

For someone who claims that he can vector in UFOs, he's not too creative about getting it done. Especially when his credibility is on the line.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
. Wrecking stuff is for kids...grown-ups FIX things.

Well, then maybe Greer should start FIXING TDP instead of turning it into a money making trilateral corporation (that is supposedly non-profit - even though he never discloses the funds).

Originally posted by millerman

Originally posted by yeti101
the burden is on the people who make these claims to prove it. Not for me to disprove it.

yeti

Sorry to say but that's EXACTLY how the NWO WANTS you to think and behave.

Actually Millerman, I think that the NWO would want people not to question things, and take things at face value... I mean, for all we know (for arguments sake, not saying he IS) that Greer is a NWO operative and all this is: a disinformation campaign to unearth whistle blowers, and discredit them with claims of levitation and new age space craft vectoring.

There isn't very much time left before the proverbial s### starts hitting the fan, so choose a side......

Don't act as if people who don't believe in Greer are not against global warming, and various other campaigns to make the rich richer and poor poorer - that is hardly the case. Just because people don't like Greer doesn't mean they are on the wrong side, it just means - they don't think Greer is truthful... I mean, you are almost taking everyone who doesn't conform to Greer's DP and categorizing them as...enemies... or am I wrong in that assertion?

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
As I keep trying to explain to you, there are more urgent issues that need addressing. Like the existence of NWO/MIC and their agendas to rule/control the world and their suppression of critical technologies. Like the current state of the planet being essentially a ticking time bomb with all kinds of environmental, political and economic disasters imminent.....

Then why doesn't Greer vector in some UFOs, undeniably, for thousands of people to see? Then people would IMMEDIATELY know that there is higher technology than ours.

Well, as I already said - there are ALREADY millions of people who know about the suppressed technologies, from following TDP or other sources, but the technologies are still "secret". You are still seriously underestimating the ability of NWO/MIC to keep a lid on these things.

And there have ALREADY been mass sightings like you are talking about, whole waves of UFOs witnessed by thousands of people and videotaped.... this has happened in Mexico, and Brazil, all around the world.... and were the suppressed technologies immediately disclosed after these mass sightings? NO.

You don't get it. NWO controls the mass media. They can keep these things "secret" as long as they like, just by keeping them out of the mass media. And they will continue to keep them "secret", until the day either somebody manages to start mass-producing a free energy technology, or millions of people start protesting and rioting.....

Why doesn't he continually vector in the UFOs?

Maybe, like I already said, because he has other important work to do, and because he has a family to spend time with?

As for vectoring UFOs, there are good reasons why he made it into a formal training program. This way he can train many more people to do the same thing he does, so if anything happens to him, there are others to continue the work that he started.

So, why aren't all of these trained people sitting down vectoring in UFOs above every town and city where they live day and night to achieve disclosure?

Well, are you going to pay them thousands and thousands of dollars to quit their day jobs so they can do it day in day out?

Hell, if you give me a few hundred thousand dollars, I'll do it! I'll round up say 5 people and we'll do nothing but CE-5 protocol day in day out.... just hand over the $$$!

The issue has been raised, "why don't they bring a camera crew along and record everything and put it on TV?" This article talks about that, about how they HAVE had camera crews along and, surprise surprise..... the footage didn't end up being broadcast on TV.

No, no, no, millerman... Bring hundreds of people with hundreds of cameras. Camp outside TV studios and vector in the UFOs above the TV studio airspace!

Great! I'll do it, just give me the thousands and thousands of dollars it will take to round up hundreds of people with hundreds of video cameras! I stand here ready to do it, for real, the instant you hand over the $$$!

Imagine groups of Greer's gimps vectoring UFOs over O'Hare and other airports. The proof would be undeniable and he wouldn't need to continue with his Disclosure Project, as he would be rolling in millions of dollars while shining his Nobel Prize.

And the "millions of dollars" would come from..... where? Especially if NWO/MIC intervenes and blocks the whole incident from the mass media?

For someone who claims that he can vector in UFOs, he's not too creative about getting it done. Especially when his credibility is on the line.

But that's just it - his credibility ISN'T on the line!

Skeptics, cynics, critics, naysayers and debunkers have been all over him for YEARS, all the way back to the early nineties when he formed CSETI.... he's used to it. Do you think he or any of his people even bother to read forums like this? Do you think he gives a crap what you think?

The fact is that he has more than enough people who know him personally and who support him. He has huge credibility within military/intelligence/government/political circles, plus all the people who have worked with CSETI and who have witnessed CE-5s firsthand. I'm sure CSETI can recruit from positive word-of-mouth alone, they don't even need to try to convince skeptics on the internet.

Why aren't Greer and CSETI doing everything they can to prove themselves to you?

BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO.

Why don't they vector in all kinds of UFOs to force Disclosure?

BECAUSE THAT WON'T FORCE DISCLOSURE.

The only way to "force" Disclosure..... would be to try to take the technologies from NWO/MIC by force. Which wouldn't be very smart.....

Originally posted by c3hamby


Shows of ETs are not going to solve the problems that the world faces. That's what Dr Greer is attempting to address. We can have all the levitation fun that we want to later.

c3hamby

IF Greer 'showed' ET's and levitation - it would push what we all wish (disclosure) to the forefront - and would speed it up tremendously. Doing what he claims he can do in public would address every concern Greer has... not only that - IT would solve many of the worlds problems - because now, much of the reversed engineered technology can become public; thus - no more green house gas, we'd have clean fuel sources, and know that we are ONE race, ONE species... earthlings.

SO, having "levitation fun" should be ASAP

Originally posted by kroms33
Actually Millerman, I think that the NWO would want people not to question things, and take things at face value...

Yeah, I agree with that.

It's easier to control a populace that accepts, rather than questions.

I wonder how open Greer is to his supporters that question him and his methods? In a similar way, he wouldn't want them to be asking too much about him.

I'll agree that things would be simpler, for me anyway and I know I'm not alone in this, if Greer stuck to TDP. And it would be awfully convenient if he actually got involved in this thread. I don't find myself agreeing with a whole lot of what John Lear comes up with, but I really appreciate the fact that I can call him on something, and he's right here to respond to what I say.

Somehow, I also get a feeling reminiscent of "Tommy", where the multitude feels betrayed because he doesn't live up to their needs. Or was that "Jesus Christ Superstar" Know what I mean? Could this be a real old story about the dangers inherent in asking "Put your faith in me", and being careful what you ask for?

Remember folks...this site is ALL about faith. How many people here talk about belief? When did you start to believe? I will give some credit to those slagging Greer, for at least using their faculties. They are thinking. Their manners may not be great, and I don't agree with all of their conclusions, but they aren't letting others do all their thinking for them.

So, on that totally ambiguous note, I'll end my thoughts on this thread. Give me ambiguity, or give me something else!!

Originally posted by millerman

Why doesn't he continually vector in the UFOs?

Maybe, like I already said, because he has other important work to do, and because he has a family to spend time with?

What could be more inportant to Greer than vectoring in UFOs?

My family would let me take all the time that I needed to prove that UFOs are real and that the technology is bein kept from us, IF they knew that I had the means to do it. Vectoring UFOs.

Well, are you going to pay them thousands and thousands of dollars to quit their day jobs so they can do it day in day out?

If they are GOOD at vectoring UFOs, they would only need to do it ONCE properly, so that the whole world could see the result. Considering they don't, won't or can't vector in UFOs for the WORLD to see and film, undeniably, I'd conclude that they're not doing a good job of vectoring UFOs.

Great! I'll do it, just give me the thousands and thousands of dollars it will take to round up hundreds of people with hundreds of video cameras! I stand here ready to do it, for real, the instant you hand over the $$$!

You will only need enough money to put an advertisement in the local paper. "To all and sundry: Today, I will be vectoring in UFOs somewhere over the largest park in town. Not sure where, can give you a rough idea of time - past lunch. Bring your cameras, friends and their cameras. Record the UFOs that I vectored in and make me rich, while I polish my Nobel Prize." How much would that cost to place in the local paper?

But that's just it - his credibility ISN'T on the line!

Well, that's true. You need to have some credibility for it to be on the line. He has none, considering that his claims of vectoring UFOs are FALSE.

Why aren't Greer and CSETI doing everything they can to prove themselves to you?
BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO.

So, he doesn't want to prove disclosure to the average man in the street by vectoring in some UFOs for him to film and observe?

Greer can't be that serious about disclosure, if he bypasses the common man.

Why don't they vector in all kinds of UFOs to force Disclosure?
BECAUSE THAT WON'T FORCE DISCLOSURE.

Yes, it will. When the common man knows what has been hidden from them for so long, the tide will turn. You're forgetting the mob rules.

Originally posted by tezzajw

I wonder how open Greer is to his supporters that question him and his methods? In a similar way, he wouldn't want them to be asking too much about him.

Not really that open - I don't they don't accept criticism that well. I have actually e-mailed TDP in regards to ATS forums and the questions of this thread and others - no response. They don't like me very much.

Originally posted by kroms33

Actually Millerman, I think that the NWO would want people not to question things, and take things at face value... I mean, for all we know (for arguments sake, not saying he IS) that Greer is a NWO operative and all this is: a disinformation campaign to unearth whistle blowers, and discredit them with claims of levitation and new age space craft vectoring.

Well why would they bother with all that when they could just murder the whistleblowers, like they used to do?

Don't act as if people who don't believe in Greer are not against global warming, and various other campaigns to make the rich richer and poor poorer - that is hardly the case. Just because people don't like Greer doesn't mean they are on the wrong side, it just means - they don't think Greer is truthful... I mean, you are almost taking everyone who doesn't conform to Greer's DP and categorizing them as...enemies... or am I wrong in that assertion?

No, I'm categorizing people that don't DO anything, other than sit around and criticize Greer and demand that he "prove" himself, as enemies.

I don't care if people don't like Greer, as long as they are DOING something constructive. Educating others about the suppressed technologies, or providing funding for SEAS or the New Energy Movement, or contacting and petitioning world leaders, or organizing protests, or finding some way to get these issues discussed on mainstream TV and radio....

But the people who apparently have nothing better to do than sit around accusing Greer of being a fraud and demanding that he "prove" himself, those are the worst kind of people.... not only does that do NOTHING to help disclosure, but it may actually turn good people with good intentions AWAY from fighting for disclosure.

Originally posted by millerman


But the people who apparently have nothing better to do than sit around accusing Greer of being a fraud and demanding that he "prove" himself, those are the worst kind of people.... not only does that do NOTHING to help disclosure, but it may actually turn good people with good intentions AWAY from fighting for disclosure.

Ok, but now that we have other groups - with more substantial members (doctors and scientists) then TDP pushing for disclosure - and leaving Greer in the dust because they are actually proactive instead of inactive - how would being against Greer harm disclosure?

There are so many things about Greer that just turn me off to his trilateral projects.

Try finding Greer's Medical history (Caldwell Memorial HR Dept) - and you will find it is sealed, and you will need a court order just to look at them. This could mean Greer is wrapped up in some legal litigation.

He never has disclosed ANY of the monetary non-profit contributions for ANY of his three NPOs... strange? I am working on filing a FOIA request to the IRS on this anomaly. He has 3 NPO: CSETI, SEASPOWER and The Disclosure Project, that is very strange also... easy to shuffle money and hide funds the way it is set up. I don't know how long the FOIA request will take, but - if I get the information - I will definitely make it public. I don't even know if I have to file a FOIA request - because all NPOs usually make their monetary input known - so perhaps the IRS will just give me the info without all the red tape.

Originally posted by kroms33
I don't they don't accept criticism that well. I have actually e-mailed TDP in regards to ATS forums and the questions of this thread and others - no response. They don't like me very much.

Yeah, I remember reading your first few posts when you joined here. Not surprising that they never emailed you.

You and I are just the common man that Greer ignores, unless we hand over the $$$ to learn from him.

Originally posted by millerman

Well why would they bother with all that when they could just murder the whistleblowers, like they used to do?

Because killing people in this day and age can be traced (yeah they can cover it up). Yes, they may have power - but why dirty their hands when it is easier to make the "whistleblowers" look like kooks and frauds? Something that could accidentally be traced back to the 'shadow government' or whomever is a very risky move. Plus, you would have to kill 450+ people: it would look strange if they all died rapidly... people would catch on more quickly that we are not in control... and it would snowball. It is too risky of a move for 'them'... they know how to play and win at chess... we don't.

Originally posted by tezzajw

What could be more inportant to Greer than vectoring in UFOs?

Lots of things!

Seriously!

UFOs flying around in public places are not that big of a deal really. They show up, they zip around in the sky and put on a show, and they leave again. They never ever touch down and get out of their crafts or do anything really exciting like that....

And there have already been THOUSANDS of these sightings. And I have already made this point to you, tezzajw, specifically, like a dozen times! And you ignore this point every single time I make it! HMMMM.....

You want mass UFO sightings?

Well guess what!!

THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THOUSANDS OF THEM!

And did the public instantly demand the release of the suppressed technologies NWO/MIC are sitting on?

NO!!!

And did NWO/MIC instantly volunteer the technologies to the world, just because there were mass UFO sightings?

NO!!!

So your entire argument is completely and utterly without merit!

You are being ignorant! Please go start doing something USEFUL in the battle for disclosure, OTHER than sitting around demanding that Greer prove himself!

Because he doesn't even read these forums and he doesn't give a crap what you think, and he's never ever going to do what you are demanding anyway!

YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME.

But that's just it - his credibility ISN'T on the line!

Well, that's true. You need to have some credibility for it to be on the line. He has none, considering that his claims of vectoring UFOs are FALSE.

Well then how is it that CSETI has been going strong for over 15 years, and they haven't been buried under a tonne of lawsuits? How is it that Greer hasn't lost his license to practice medicine for perpetrating a hoax on the public?

Why aren't Greer and CSETI doing everything they can to prove themselves to you?
BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO.

So, he doesn't want to prove disclosure to the average man in the street by vectoring in some UFOs for him to film and observe?

Nope, evidently not!

Maybe he feels that the NPC Disclosure conference and the other video testimony of DP witnesses is sufficient proof - along with the New Energy Movement and things like that.

As do I.

Greer can't be that serious about disclosure, if he bypasses the common man.

The common man can watch the NPC conference, the other DP witness testimony, Jose Escamilla's film, and do all the other relevant research, and come to the truth that way.... Greer has more important things to do with his time than to go out of his way to prove himself to people who aren't willing to lift a finger in the battle for Disclosure anyway............

Why don't they vector in all kinds of UFOs to force Disclosure?
BECAUSE THAT WON'T FORCE DISCLOSURE.

Yes, it will.

No, you are absolutely and utterly wrong about that. Having UFOs fly around in the sky does NOT cause NWO/MIC to cough up the suppressed technologies. Have there already been thousands of sightings? YES. Has NWO/MIC coughed up the technologies? NO.

When the common man knows what has been hidden from them for so long, the tide will turn. You're forgetting the mob rules.

Well, millions of people already know about the suppressed technologies, from following TDP or some other source, and I don't see any tide turning....

Originally posted by kroms33

Ok, but now that we have other groups - with more substantial members (doctors and scientists) then TDP pushing for disclosure - and leaving Greer in the dust because they are actually proactive instead of inactive -

LOL!

Leaving Greer in the dust, really?

What have they accomplished so far?

Originally posted by millerman
UFOs flying around in public places are not that big of a deal really. They show up, they zip around in the sky and put on a show, and they leave again. They never ever touch down and get out of their crafts or do anything really exciting like that....

So, what is a big deal then, if UFOs flying in public are not?

And there have already been THOUSANDS of these sightings. And I have already made this point to you, tezzajw, specifically, like a dozen times! And you ignore this point every single time I make it! HMMMM.....
You want mass UFO sightings?
Well guess what!
THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THOUSANDS OF THEM!

Can you give me the link to one of those mass sightings that was proven to be UNDENIABLE and POSITIVELY identified as a craft of alien origin?

No, you are absolutely and utterly wrong about that. Having UFOs fly around in the sky does NOT cause NWO/MIC to cough up the suppressed technologies. Have there already been thousands of sightings? YES. Has NWO/MIC coughed up the technologies? NO.

When the common man believes that those UFOs are real, then the tide will turn. Of all the mass sightings, has any of them proven to be UNDENIABLY true that they ARE alien craft?

The answer, of course, is no. Therefore, the common man will not accept that UFOs or their technology exist.

Greer is doing a POOR job vectoring in UFOs, if he can't convince the common man that what they are seeing is a real alien UFO. Discs high in the sky can be too easily misinterpreted as other objects. Greer needs to vector in UFOs more often, so that the common man will see his claims are true.

Originally posted by tezzajw
So, what is a big deal then, if UFOs flying in public are not?

Well, the ETs actually touching down and making direct contact with people would be a big deal....

NWO/MIC releasing some of the technology to the public, or allowing the public to develop it on their own, would be a big deal....

You want mass UFO sightings?
Well guess what!
THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THOUSANDS OF THEM!

Can you give me the link to one of those mass sightings that was proven to be UNDENIABLE and POSITIVELY identified as a craft of alien origin?

Of course not!

Because the ETs don't ever touch down and get out of their crafts!

But even if they were human-produced UFOs (ARVs) - they're still proof of anti-gravity technology, don't you think? And it's pretty obvious that they use some kind of energy source that's far superior to jet fuel.... right?

When the common man believes that those UFOs are real, then the tide will turn. Of all the mass sightings, has any of them proven to be UNDENIABLY true that they ARE alien craft?

The answer, of course, is no. Therefore, the common man will not accept that UFOs or their technology exist.

LOL!

The common man can't see little green men inside, so he won't accept that the UFO and the technology it's using exists?

Come off it!

It makes no difference if its ETs or humans inside, these UFOs are still quite obviously using advanced energy and anti-gravity technologies.... right?

Greer is doing a POOR job vectoring in UFOs, if he can't convince the common man that what they are seeing is a real alien UFO. Discs high in the sky can be too easily misinterpreted as other objects. Greer needs to vector in UFOs more often, so that the common man will see his claims are true.

I noticed that you totally ignored these questions I asked you:

Well then how is it that CSETI has been going strong for over 15 years, and they haven't been buried under a tonne of lawsuits? How is it that Greer hasn't lost his license to practice medicine for perpetrating a hoax on the public?

Please tell me, if CSETI lie to people about what they do, how is it they have managed to stay afloat for over 15 years.....? How is it they haven't been shut down or buried under a tonne of lawsuits? Why does Greer still have his license to practice medicine?

Originally posted by millerman
Well, the ETs actually touching down and making direct contact with people would be a big deal....

Sure, that's a big deal. I hope that it happens.

However, until that happens, with Greer claiming that he can vector UFOs for people to see, why doesn't he do it more often for the general public to view?

Why doesn't he have hundreds of people all filming the event?

If he trains other people to vector in UFOs, then why aren't they all out there doing it, until one of them is proven to be real?

Greer makes big claims that Greer can not substantiate.

.... If you are waiting for the US government to come clean on what they know about and have learned from ET sources, you'll wait till your dying day. From their standpoint, the population needs to be controlled and manipulated. The corporate news has positioned itself as the gatekeeper of legitimate information, not to be confused with truth.

Disclosure as put forward by the government would only be done in a selective way to drive an agenda. Look at history and understand that official information serves only to propagate the favored myth of the month. It is designed to manipulate, not to enlighten.

"Remember the Maine", Gulf of Tonkin non-incident, Kuwaiti babies thrown out of incubators by mad Iraqi invaders, Oswald was JFK's lone assassin, USS Liberty attack was an accident, Iraq has an active nuclear program and WMD stockpiles, and the mother of all lies, for the first time in history hydrocarbon fires caused the total collapse of three steel girder skycrapers at freefall rate. All unadulterated bovine excrement brought to you by your government through your totally co-opted and untrustworthy corporate media.

And many of you think that Greer should continue to pursue honesty from the government with regard to ET"s?

Get real. Why should he waste his time? It is truly is a fool's errand. If that is what one feels one needs in order to believe in the legitimacy of ET's, that person will forever be in doubt.

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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
Well, the ETs actually touching down and making direct contact with people would be a big deal....

Sure, that's a big deal. I hope that it happens.

However, until that happens, with Greer claiming that he can vector UFOs for people to see, why doesn't he do it more often for the general public to view?

tezzajw, I like how you just completely snipped all the points I made and all the questions I asked you that you couldn't answer, and went right back to your same old tired baseless argument....

Please understand this:

YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME AND ENERGY.

Greer doesn't even read these forums! And he doesn't care what you or any other critics and naysayers on the internet think! He has been under CONSTANT fire from critics, naysayers and debunkers for over 15 years, and he pays absolutely no attention to it!

He has a lot more important things to do with his time than to go out of his way trying to prove himself to people who won't lift a finger in the battle for Disclosure anyway!

Like meeting with governments and world leaders and scientists and inventors, educating people about NWO/MIC and their agendas....

So PLEASE.... give it up already! Please go find something USEFUL to do in the battle for Disclosure, other than sitting around demanding that Greer prove himself over and over like a parrot! Because he's not even listening!!!