What are the most elite special forces?

SEALs. Everyone else is poofters.

Originally posted by dismanrc
reply to post by wsamplet

 

Air Force Special Ops are not very well known outside of the military because they are a lot smaller then most the other and are trained to do more sneaking then shooting. There is also the fact that the AF HATES publicity, unlike most the other branches.

The only two movies in the past 30 years that has had approval of the AF to use real bases, people or gear was Red Flag and Air Force One. All the other movies showing AF units, planes or based was probably Israeli.

Wait a sec... You mean Dr. Strangelove wasn't shot at a real AF base? That wasn't a REAL B52??? What is this world coming to?

Seriously, this arguement will go on forever. I like to consider myself pretty hard-mentally and physically, but I dropped out of an SF school. It's THAT tough. I've known some SEAL's, and even a few Army pukes. I've met some Royal Marines (brothers from across the pond), I've met my fair share of IDF folks. All really, really tough. (alright, maybe not the Army pukes). The point is- this discussion is simply fueled by vague nationalism and rabid espirit de corps. Everybody is right at some point in time, during some firefight or op.
I'll vote a regular ol' USMC rifleman. UNDEFEATED!

There, now I've done it- more fuel to the fire.

Not sure who the toughest / most well-trained are. But I can say that the USAF Parajumpers are the most underrated in this discussion. Halo jumping behind enemy lines has to garnish some respect.

Also known as PJs, this group of Air Force elite is the ONLY one in the Department of Defense specifically trained and equipped to conduct conventional and unconventional rescue processes, making them the IDEAL force to handle personnel recovery and combat search and rescue operations.

Source:
www.pararescue.com...

"A gunslinger with an MD"

There you have it

By far and away the world's premier SF unit, and the one to which all others aspire, is the SAS. The only guys who come even close are the Aussie SAS

1)The SAS 'wrote the book' on SF operations

2)were the original SF unit, having been formed during WW2approx 25 years before the US had their own SF.

3)Have been involved in more major conflicts than any other SF group

4) Have never been unsuccessful in any of the above

5) Even the founder of Delta Force stated publically that among SF units 'there is the SAS and then there's everyone else'

[edit on 7-2-2008 by DavidLilley]

The Best Force available, are the operators chosen to fulfill a team for the mission. All operators are trained in all aspects of combat, rescue, retrieval etc. Only the best teams will be volunteered for the most vital missions to complete the objectives that are required by commanding personnel, or agencies.

Originally posted by jonSUN
Navy Seals #1
Delta #2

Navy Seals are straight up commandos so I would say they are number 2, I would say Delta Force is number 1 do to the fact they are undercovers.

Originally posted by xenu brings order
My vote goes to Air Force Pararescue.

UAASCSAR does the same thing but does not distinguish between
the different branches of the services or even nationality.

Nor do they distinguish between you being a pounder
or a fallen angle.

Wing-Nut

Easy question:

Really want to know who the best is?

Whichever one is coming to rescue your ass should the need ever arise. They are by far the best ever.

Much the same when people ask me what my favorite gun is. My answer is always: Whichever one I have with me at the time.

[edit on 12-6-2008 by slackerwire]

the australian sas (or SASR) are the go. hard, fast and effcient. they were in afganistan and back out of afganistan before there was 1 us soldier, special forces or otherwise, there.

nearly all sas men that are killed are killed in training, in total, since 9/11, they have lost 3 men

Comparing Special Forces Units is like comparing Apples and Oranges, each is trained for handling different situations. However, if I had to pick a Special Forces, I'd put my money on the good ol' US Navy SEALs. BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL Training) is THE most grueling training regiment in the world. SEALs are the most highly trained soldiers (That we actually know of).

As for your suit that makes you invisible like Predator, I believe you are refering to Camera Vision Adaptive Camouflage. What this suit does is has cameras on specific points that take in the light around it and translate a mirror image pixel by pixel onto the suit that the person is wearing. (The person is pretty much wearing a flexible LCD TV) It's still in its testing phase and I don't know the specific codename of the suit but I'm pretty sure it's using Camera Vision Adaptive Camouflage technology.

[edit on 18-6-2008 by Arc Angel]

[edit on 18-6-2008 by Arc Angel]

Delta Force recruits from all the different branches of service, so I would consider them an "all star team" of all US Special Forces.

Also, for my money I would have to go with Air Force PJ's as the most hard core. Their training pipeline lasts 2 years and has an 80% dropout rate, which is the highest in all of DoD.

They go through all of the following courses:

Pararescue Indoctrination Course (10 weeks)
U.S. Army Airborne School (3 weeks)
U.S. Air Force Combat Dive School (6 weeks)
U.S. Navy Underwater Egress Training (1 day)
U.S. Air Force Basic Survival School (2.5 weeks)
U.S. Army Military Free Fall Parachutist School (5 weeks)
Paramedic / EMT School (22 weeks)
Pararescue Recovery Specialist School (20 weeks)


[edit on 18-6-2008 by PokeyJoe]

Well, this thread seems to be more along the lines of which is the most Elite AMERICAN force. Do remember there are other countries out there. Internationally i think the SAS have the highest rating. Though of course other units have their specialties

As for camouflage, i don't have a link for it it, and am too lazy to back-track but i DO KNOW that special equipment exists which works similar to the predator invisibility, it works by using a mixture of micro-cameras and projectors to project the background onto the the other side of the suit, if you get what i mean. Some companies are working on developing it as a full body suit, while others are working on the creation of bullet proof shields that are mostly invisible from one direction.

Don't know if this has been covered i got bored after the 2nd page.

CBS News: Iraq's Elite Special Forces Among World's Best
www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dd_1189172356

reply to post by hoorahHK416


ever heard of british 14 intelligence company?

youre all wrong the best sf is the french gign though the isreali sf would give them a run for their money

en.wikipedia.org...

This gives you an entire list of SF units in the world.

[edit on 7/6/2008 by lucius01]

The AF PJ are seriously skilled dudes. my sisters fiance is one and he is impressive. Trust me PJ's know their s word.

When a PJ enters a mess hall seals delta recon you name it all make room at the table if their isn't any for these guys. they are extreamly respected. even amoungst foreign SF groups.

Also, SEALS do a lot of undercover stuff too. they aren't just simple commandos. you'd be surprised what seals are trained to do. like dive down 1060 feet in MK5 diving suites to the bottom of the ocean near oil rigs to learn how to mess with trans oceanic cable lines and thats just in training. god knows what they really know how to do.

YEah one SEAL told me about his diving training and they were more worried about whats just beyond their visibilty that deep dpwn like giant squids than they were about the heliox or the diving suit screwing up. Plus they give you and your diving buddy just green chem sticks for navigation, and the accent takes 12 houres of excessive boardom. apparently he and his dive buddy played a game of slap hands for the 12 hours of accent. and even then slap hands isn't so much fun in a MK5 under water.

Asked him if he saw anything cool that deep down. Nope nothing interesting to see, just plankton and some tiny tiny jelly fish. He did say though that he felt like bait down there with that green glow stick and the 3 feet of visibility.

JUst to be clear I call it the MK 5 because the suit was something like the MK5. I think it was really a MK21 or something similar that they use now.

[edit on 10-7-2008 by BASSPLYR]

If you're talking black ops SF personnel and which 'branch' is the best, you're not well acquainted with what separates them from the 'regulars.' Who ever is in charge of the planning phase of such an operation will pull the best personnel they can find and it won't matter what 'branch' or unit they are from, it might not even matter what country they are from. What makes an SF operator different from the average soldier is flexibility. That's why they need all that training. They need to be able to do anything from DA, to recon, to sabotage, to personnel and asset recovery, and they need to be able to do it with people they haven't worked with in training. They need to be so good at it they can teach other people how to do it.

There is no such thing as the 'most elite' Special Forces unit. They are all elite and you do not want to mess with them.

british sas or 'the regiment' as it sometimes called, the first special force of its kind, delta and so on are based on the sas and the sas are flown over to america to train those guys. There was a tv program were an sas bloke was chased by 5 navy seals on snow bikes and the sas bloke was on foot, the navy seals had to either capture him or beat him to helicopter which was waiting at the end, when the navy seals got there, the helicopter was taking off which the sas bloke, he had hypothermia and was in a bad state but hed beaten them, shows steal