What are the most elite special forces?

Their are only two in the running Delta Force or S.A.S. It does not matter if it is british S.A.S or Aussie they are the two most elite forces in the world.

I am sorry to say this but maries and seals are not the best. S.A.S (Australian and British) are the best. Their is only one other and that is the Delta's becuase there also so good at CT and Recon.

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ever hear of NTA?

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SAS is not as good as the SBS. The SBS assumes that soldiers can do elementary stuff, like, map reading.

yeah I've heard a SEAL tell me that the SBS are the ones not the SAS and that the SAS are getting a little antiquated. Referring to the British SAS not the Aussies,whom he also said was really kick ass.

I say though give the Marine corp some time with their new SF guys, recon now going by some other name that I can't remember, they will become the best. The reason I feel this is because if the Navy SEALs are really bad ass and they are a bunch of sailors and divers who have gone through the BUD/S. What happens when you take a bunch of hard core Marines and put them through the same training. You get even meaner, more capable seals, but that work for the marine corp.

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I am a dismount 19D (cavalry scout). How many other units do you know of that go behind enemy lines in teams of 2 or 3 men with the sole purpose of finding the enemy, reporting his position and then asking permission to kill them. We are not special forces nor do we claim to be. We are however the most elite conventional force in the world. We can and will go toe to toe with any fighting force in the world and we will most likely win even if we are killed in the process. I promise you that you do not want to be the enemy on our battlefield. You'll never know what hit you! Scouts out!

To be honest there isn't really much to choose between the two, the SBS and SAS are different units for different roles. They work closer and closer all the time, with a a joint operation in Afghan just about to kick off.

SAS and SBS both complete the same selection process, a joint selection process. This is identical up until the end of the 4 week combat survival stage. At the end of this stage SAS candidates are assigned a squadron and unit, SBS candidates go on to SC3 training to complete diver, demolition and beach recon training. An SBS soldier can still be RTU'd during this stage, although they are technically now SBS.

SBS candidates can now apply from all three services, so they need not be marines, even though the majority of the SBS is.

So basically, as the SBS now work closely with the SAS and SRR, I'd say that the british special forces in general are the best in the world!

Cheers

Robbie

I believe it would something similar to that of Rainbow-Six. The best of each countries elite force members conjoining together.

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thats a complete crock of #. you read way too much Tom Clancy. those training exercises are completely made up, and worse, completely idiotic. there is no point to making someone do a spin and shoot random targets with a revolver. also, SFOD-A is not a joke. you actually have to have a higher ASVAB score and have higher physical requirements then the SEALs to be in SFOD-A. the compromise is that Green Beret training doesnt last as long before you are recognized as an Operator. of course training continues throughout your service career no matter what you do in Spec Ops.

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the name of the USMC Spec Ops program is MARSOC. it used to be all the Recon, Sniper, Scout, and QBC elements were separate, but now they are all integrated. at least thats what my recruiter told me. there is one recon unit in the USMC that isnt in MARSOC yet, but its not any different.

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Originally posted by DavidLilley
By far and away the world's premier SF unit, and the one to which all others aspire, is the SAS. The only guys who come even close are the Aussie SAS

1)The SAS 'wrote the book' on SF operations

2)were the original SF unit, having been formed during WW2approx 25 years before the US had their own SF.

3)Have been involved in more major conflicts than any other SF group

4) Have never been unsuccessful in any of the above

5) Even the founder of Delta Force stated publically that among SF units 'there is the SAS and then there's everyone else'

[edit on 7-2-2008 by DavidLilley]

Sorry my friend you have a short memory when you say the SAS have never been unsucesssful.

Operation Desert Storm 1990 Bravo Two Zero ?
Of the eight SAS Troopers who deployed into Iraq, only five returned. Dropped into the infamous "Scud Alley" carrying 210 pound (almost 100 kilo) back packs, McNab and his men soon found themselves surrounded by the enemy. Their radios failed to work; the weather was brutally cold; they had been spotted, resulting in the mission being compromised.

The heavy 150 lb (50 kg) 319 Satcom radios, said to work over a distance of 500 km, needed to be relayed to an AWAC within 200 km; what the patrol did not know was that the closest AWAC was over the Greek sea, about 700 km away.

The Bergens they carried had two full water bottles, enough ready to eat, boil in the bag rations to last the duration of the patrol and medical kits, as well as their assault rifles and light machine guns (ArmaLite Colt Commando M230'ss featuring an M203 Grenade launchers and FN Minimi LMGs), "66" Anti Tank launchers.

Three patrol members died, and four were tortured and interrogated, because of the lack of adequate equipment and misinformation about geographical terrain and target locations.

The gold medal at the moment without a doubt would go to the Australian SASR. Take Afghanastan for example.
"Australian special forces have killed or captured more than a dozen Taliban leaders in the province in the past six months.

Air Chief Marshal Houston said the Australian special forces team were having a significant impact on the province.

"Last year the violent incidents went up right acoss Afghanistan. The only province where there was a reduction in violent incidents was in Oruzgan. We were against the trend,'' he said."

We've killed 'hundreds'.

I would back the Aussies against 'anyone' on earth in either the jungle or the desert. In Vietnam we had a kill ratio of 500:1. We have to date lost more men in training than on the battle field. We have got the highest bounty on our heads in the middle east.
No one can go for as long as we can without resupply.

The only arena I would not put money on us would be in the snow. We are not cold blooded and don't do very well at the winter olympics even though we have got plenty of snow fields. For a long shot, I'd back Canada on that one and then either Germany or Russia for silver and bronze.
All in all but, It is NOT like comparing apples and oranges or my dad is tougher than yours, because at the end of the day their can be only one team standing and statistics speak for themselves.

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I would say Black Ops or something.

Delta if by Land.
Seals if by Sea.
AF/SF if by Air.
There, is that diplomatic enough? (hint: we're on the same side).

There is no best unit. Each unit has certain skillsets and missions which they excel at. Most of the units being debated about here cross train with each other regularly. They also operate in CJTFs downrange. Even within the units there are better teams than others.

Blackwater is a little too trigger happy in some situations - suggesting lack of discipline, command and control.

The most elite forces are the ones you haven't heard about...given the covert nature of their work. Men In Black meet Black Spec Ops. Perhaps a hybrid (alien/clone human) force that is zen-like in lack of fear of death and yet bred to be both super strong and super intelligent (oxymoron?).