Why There Were No Helicopter Rescues At The WTC’s On 9-11

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Hi ULTIMA, Why would the firefighters expect the towers to collapse, none had collapsed before so as far as they were concerned it was business as usual, those brave men/women were doing what they do every day of the week, fighting fires etc. and saving lives. What they did not know was they were going to be part of the sacrifice/outrage for an excuse for war.

I was responding to a post about people having foreknowledge of the towers collapsing. I just posted the facts that not even the fire chiefs present expected the towers to collapse.


[edit on 2-3-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Hello Wizard, you say that the air rescue attempts were blocked because those people 'needed' to die for effect but people were being rescued down below (which could have been obstructed in a different way which would have raised the casualties to an even higher number) and even if air rescue was possible I don't think that the tiny fraction of people that would have been saved would have been a significant enough reason for the powers that be to go to the extreme lengths of calling OFF air rescue just make make the number of casualties look that tiny bit higher, not for that reason anyhow. As for the door being locked, well, there's bound to have been only a small handfull of people in the building with a key to unlock it and they could have been below the impact level, they may have just ran for their lives.

My mind is open to the possibilities of time travel, existence of the soul, e.t's/ufo's e.t.c but could I ever entertain the thought that the planes were holograms? No fkin way could I.

Dear Corum:

No one or practically no one survived the floors above the ‘plane impact areas’. Cameron Fox insists that there were a few survivors. He may be right, but it also might very well be fake information — there‘s plenty of that floating around.

The key is that the organizers of 9-11 had to make sure no one who was in or above the ‘impact holes’ would make it out. Above all they had to be certain that no rescue personnel — if they arrived at those upper floors — would be able to return or report via radios what they would have seen. They as seasoned professionals would have immediately discovered that there were no planes, but instead lots of smoke machines and walls that had been rigged and damages by explosives. Had these people lived, they would have been all over the news in interviews and on talk shows ‘spilling the beans’.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear Corum:

No one or practically no one survived the floors above the ‘plane impact areas’. Cameron Fox insists that there were a few survivors. He may be right, but it also might very well be fake information — there‘s plenty of that floating around.

The key is that the organizers of 9-11 had to make sure no one who was in or above the ‘impact holes’ would make it out. Above all they had to be certain that no rescue personnel — if they arrived at those upper floors — would be able to return or report via radios what they would have seen. They as seasoned professionals would have immediately discovered that there were no planes, but instead lots of smoke machines and walls that had been rigged and damages by explosives. Had these people lived, they would have been all over the news in interviews and on talk shows ‘spilling the beans’.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Once again I am forced to prove you wrong. I think you should retire your ATS Threads... none of them have ANY facts or evidence to back them up.

Yes your post is BS (the mods took down the nice post I had that explains your posts.)

In regards to your claim that there wasn't any survivors...here are some FACTS! ( do you know what facts are?)

Have you ever heard of Stanley Praimnath? He is the vice president of loan operations at Fuji Bank Limited and was Only 14 people that escaped from the impact zone (floors 78 to 84) of the South Tower after it was hit and 4 people from floors above it. They escaped down Stairway "A," the only stairwell that had been left intact No one was able to escape from above the point of impact in the North Tower after it was hit, as all stairways and elevator shafts on those floors were destroyed.

Stanley has had many interviews, was in a BBC Documentary...active in his church...a family man. Not a FAKE as you may claim. here is a link to his website. I suggest you look at it.

stanleypraimnath.com...

When your done reading about Stanley, read about the man that rescued him, Brian Clark.
www.pbs.org...

When you've completed your research on the FACTS, Wizard, I suggest you have your therapist up your Zyprexa (for those who dont know, it's an antipsychotic medication that i believe Wizard takes)

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear Corum:

No one or practically no one survived the floors above the ‘plane impact areas’. Cameron Fox insists that there were a few survivors. He may be right, but it also might very well be fake information — there‘s plenty of that floating around.

The key is that the organizers of 9-11 had to make sure no one who was in or above the ‘impact holes’ would make it out. Above all they had to be certain that no rescue personnel — if they arrived at those upper floors — would be able to return or report via radios what they would have seen. They as seasoned professionals would have immediately discovered that there were no planes, but instead lots of smoke machines and walls that had been rigged and damages by explosives. Had these people lived, they would have been all over the news in interviews and on talk shows ‘spilling the beans’.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Well you might want to try to do some more research on the radio calls from the firemen to get some actual facts.

9:48 a.m.
Ladder 15: "Battalion Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven: "Go Ladder 15."

Ladder 15: "What do you got up there, Chief?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "I'm still in boy stair 74th floor. No smoke or fire problems, walls are breached, so be careful."

Ladder 15: "Yeah Ten-Four, I saw that on 68. Alright, we're on 71 we're coming up behind you."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four. Six more to go."

Ladder 15: "Let me know when you see more fire."

Battalion Seven Chief: "I found a marshall on 75."


9:52 a.m.

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Battalion Seven Alpha."

"Freddie, come on over. Freddie, come on over by us."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?"

Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post."

Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."

Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here."

Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're on our way."

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I just posted the facts that not even the fire chiefs present expected the towers to collapse.

Personally, I don't think anyone expected the towers to collapse.

Originally posted by CameronFoxHave you ever heard of Stanley Praimnath? He is the vice president of loan operations at Fuji Bank Limited and was Only 14 people that escaped from the impact zone (floors 78 to 84) of the South Tower after it was hit and 4 people from floors above it.... Stanley has had many interviews, was in a BBC Documentary...active in his church...a family man. Not a FAKE as you may claim... When your done reading about Stanley, read about the man that rescued him, Brian Clark.

Dear Cameron Fox:

I realize this must be painful for you, provided that you are genuinely concerned and are not a ‘paid agent’.

Sadly, people do the strangest things for money and power. Churchgoing, eh? Well shortly after 9-11 they had a large non-denominational mass in Washington, DC where all the officials gathered together in prayer. This mass was a big thing, it was fully televised. Proves that there are all sorts who claim to ‘do god’s work’. It’s that age-old “one hand on the bible, one hand on the gun” philosophy shining through. Let me ask you this, do you really think Jesus of Nazareth would have ‘fit in’ with that particular crowd? Or would his burlap attire clashed with the suits and the ‘power ties’, and the we-gotta-do-whatever-it-takes-attitudes?

Again, you’re quoting from ‘tainted’ sources. Yes, depressingly PBS is not objective. Thus you can be sure whatever they say about 9-11 has been ‘cleared and approved’ six sigma times over.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

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Originally posted by Essan
Personally, I don't think anyone expected the towers to collapse.

Yes, so if even the experts did not expect the towers to collapse then something unexpected must have happened to make them collapse

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear Cameron Fox:

I realize this must be painful for you, provided that you are genuinely concerned and are not a ‘paid agent’.

Sadly, people do the strangest things for money and power. Churchgoing, eh? Well shortly after 9-11 they had a large non-denominational mass in New York City where all the officials gathered together in prayer. This mass was a big thing, it was fully televised. Proves that there are all sorts who claim to ‘do god’s work’. It’s that age-old “one hand on the bible, one hand on the gun” philosophy shining through. Let me ask you this, do you really think Jesus of Nazareth would have ‘fit in’ with that particular crowd? Or would his burlap attire clashed with the suits and the ‘power ties’, and the we-gotta-do-whatever-it-takes-attitudes?

Again, you’re quoting from ‘tainted’ sources. Yes, depressingly PBS is not objective. Thus you can be sure whatever they say about 9-11 has been ‘cleared and approved’ six sigma times over.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

I notice you did not respond to my facts and post any facts of your own.

Please post the research sites you use to get your facts from, i will post mine.



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[edit on 3-3-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Dear Ultima1:

Sorry about forgetting to post my sources, my bad!

1. About Jesus’ Way Of Thinking: The Bible — New Testament of course.
2. Washington National Cathedral Prayer Service on 14-Sep-2001: The Realm we call ‘history’.

Greetings, The Wizard In The Woods

"Tainted" interesting... please tell me how much money this guy got for telling his story?

To ask me if Jesus would "fit in" in silly. Did Jesus "fit in" when he was here? NO! He was an outcast... anyway...Im not going to debate religions and their brianwashing methods.

I have offered PROOF that these two men survived the tower impact. It is now up to you to offer proof that shows that they are liars.

Thing is you cant... YOU my friend are the one that is tainted.

Go get a girlfriend and stay off the SciFi channel for a few days.

Originally posted by CameronFox To ask me if Jesus would "fit in" in silly. Did Jesus "fit in" when he was here? NO! He was an outcast... anyway...Im not going to debate religions and their brianwashing methods. Go get a girlfriend and stay off the SciFi channel for a few days.

Dear Cameron Fox:

Umm… You’re the one — not me — who implied that being “active in church” and “a family man” ensures that a person is “not a fake”. Also, I don’t watch public TV, perhaps this explains my different perspective. And, rats, I was hoping you might be a female operative and that I could ask you out.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods


Dear Cameron Fox:

Umm… You’re the one — not me — who implied that being “active in church” and “a family man” ensures that a person is “not a fake”. Also, I don’t watch public TV, perhaps this explains my different perspective. And, rats, I was hoping you might be a female operative and that I could ask you out.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

The ball is your court to prove that these people are not real.

See Wizard, this is where all your crap gets thrown out. As soon as someone asks for a shred of evidence.

You have none.

Dear Cameron Fox:

The evidence that your ‘witnesses’ are not supporting what really happened at the WTC’s is found in the irrefutable things that did take place. Again, let’s go round and round in circles once more and I’ll state for you my five reasons why 9-11 was staged. It doesn’t hurt to do this again and again. Perhaps telling it from just the ‘right angle’ will permit it to “sink in“.

1. President Bush Wasn’t Surprised. No, he’s not that stupid, whatever many of you may think. He knew what was happening and why. That in itself proves a conspiracy at the tippy-top.

2. There were no helicopter rescues — when there normally always are in cases of skyscraper fires with flat roofs. This proves someone at the tippy-top wouldn’t allow it.

3. The WTC’s were blown to smithereens. In hindsight, anyone can understand that. But it takes a willing frame of mind.

4. Cell phone calls from planes in flight were impossible in 9-11. Anyone who’s ever traveled knows this. Therefore all the stories of highjackers and box knives are pure fabrication. Since our only, and one and only source for this information were the ’telephone’ calls from flight attendants and passengers. Had we been paranoidly perceptive enough to accept the truth on that eleventh day of September in 2001 we would have comprehended this right there and then. But 9-11 caught all of us off guard.

5. WTC-6 and 7 had to have been professionally demolished. Again another piece of absolute proof that 9-11 was staged by none other than those at the strategic apex.

There, Cameron Fox, that’s MY evidence. You can directly verify every piece of it with your own senses. But of course, you’ll argue for example that cell phone calls were possible, etc., etc. Now who’s in need of taking ‘medicine’?

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

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I will answer your "evidence"


1. President Bush Wasn’t Surprised. No, he’s not that stupid, whatever many of you may think. He knew what was happening and why. That in itself proves a conspiracy at the tippy-top.

Answer: Um... I do think he's stupid, but i do THINK he knew it was possible something was going to happen. (THINK is the key word here i can't PROVE it) and neither can you.

2. There were no helicopter rescues — when there normally always are in cases of skyscraper fires with flat roofs. This proves someone at the tippy-top wouldn’t allow it.

Answer: To be honest, helicopter rescues are not common in high rise fires. This does not PROVE anything. You are offering an opinion.

3. The WTC’s were blown to smithereens. In hindsight, anyone can understand that. But it takes a willing frame of mind.

I'm not sure where you are going with this...or what evidence you are claiming to provide here



4. Cell phone calls were impossible in 9-11. Anyone who’s ever traveled knows this. Therefore all the stories of highjackers and box knives are pure fabrication. Since our only, and one and only source for this information were the ’telephone’ calls from flight attendants and passengers. Had we been paranoidly perceptive enough to accept the truth on that eleventh day of September in 2001 we would have comprehended this right there and then. But 9-11 caught all of us off guard.

Answer: this is a lie. You know it. Are you suggesting all the familys that had loved ones on the planes... LIED about the phone calls they received? Again you are offering your opinion here, nothing else.

5. WTC-6 and 7 had to have been professionally demolished. Again another piece of absolute proof that 9-11 was staged by none other than those at the strategic apex.

You are again offering an opinion.

Your list here is pathetic at BEST. You are offering ZERO evidence and 100% opinion.

Please... talk to your Dr. and double up on the meds!

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear Ultima1:

Sorry about forgetting to post my sources, my bad!

1. About Jesus’ Way Of Thinking: The Bible — New Testament of course.
2. Washington National Cathedral Prayer Service on 14-Sep-2001:

Ok now let me post a few of my sources that i use to verify information.

www.911research.com...
www.trackingthethreat.com...
www.defenselink.mil...
www.ctstudies.com...
www.counterterrorismblog.org...
www.globalsecurity.org...
www.emergency.com...
www.fbi.gov...
www.defendamerica.mil...
www.securityinfowatch.com...
www.vaemergency.com...
www.fpc.state.gov...
www.dtic.mil...
www.stripes.com...
www.fas.org...

Dear Ultima1:

I see a lot of dot gov’s, dot mil’s, and dot org’s in your source links. Are there any autonomous sources in there or are they all national government funded? You support you position well — the official 9-11 version — with research. Trouble is it doesn’t square with the physical realities on the ground (and in the air).

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear Ultima1:

I see a lot of dot gov’s, dot mil’s, and dot org’s in your source links. Are there any autonomous sources in there or are they all national government funded? You support you position well — the official 9-11 version — with research. Trouble is it doesn’t square with the physical realities on the ground (and in the air).

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

The majority of the sites i use prove the official story is not correct. But your post about the helicopter pilots not being aloud to rescue poeple or that people were not aloud to leave the building is not correct either.

I have a background in aviation and in emergency incident management which i also use to support what i post.


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Dear CameronFox:

I say cell phone calls from commercial jets in-flight were impossible in 2001 and still are today. You state:

Originally posted by CameronFox Answer: this is a lie. You know it. Are you suggesting all the familys that had loved ones on the planes... LIED about the phone calls they received? Again you are offering your opinion here, nothing else

Well now, the readers — at least those who fly commercially — can put this to the test themselves. Go ahead, try to (sneakily) make cell phone calls during your next flight and see if they work. If they don’t — well then poof! — there goes the official story of 9-11. Yep, this is my opinion all right. And it will be anyone else’s who seeks to do the undoable — placing calls from mobile telephones while cruising in jet planes.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear CameronFox:
I say cell phone calls from commercial jets in-flight were impossible in 2001 and still are today. You state:
Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Well 1 thing with your post is that you are forgetting about the phones on the planes, and 2 if the plane was low enough and flying over major poulated areas the cell phones would be able to reach towers if only for a few minutes.

Dear Ultima1:

Naw, been there, done and tried that. It doesn’t work. Can’t say for sure why not, but it doesn’t work. See for yourself, give it a go. During take-off and landing phases the flight attendants are securely strapped in their seats anyways. See if you can chat on your phone. I know I can’t.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods