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Poor effort, man. Unfortunately, your tenuous linkages come across more as axe-grinding, which seems to be something at which you are well practised indeed.
Scholars haven't been able to successfully link Freemasonry's lineage to that of the Templars, but we'll ignore that for the time being...
So, you logic dictates that, because the Templars "stole" something (which they found under the ground, thereby implicating all archeaologists throughout history as thieves as well), and because Freemasonry is connected to Templarism, then Freemasonry must be centralised around the values associated with robbery as well?
"Look, you have a cherub on one of your coats-of-arms! Cherubs are the same species as Satan. Therefore you are EVILLLLL!!!"
Freemasonryis a peculiar system of morality, veiled in allegory, and illustrated by symbols
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
I have rebuked your assertions about Amitakh's work above...
, now, please, respond to my original statement that "Freemasons, as well as all monotheists, whether inadvertantly or not, worship Satan. " I assume, from your absence of an actual response or argumen, that you can make no argument.
I dont think you have said anything to actualy disprove my statement. It appears that you have consistently and falsely attacked Amitakh Stanford's work as the basis of your argument rather than even attempt to disprove my original statement.
So your cote of arms is represented by 2 fallen angels
There were no cherubim in the Herodian reconstruction of the Temple, but according to some authorities, its walls were painted with figures of cherubim[56]; paintings of cherubim continued into Christian art. In Christianity, they are often represented in iconography as faces of a lion, ox, eagle, and man peering out from the center of an array of four wings (Ezekial 1v6,8, 10v12,21 Revelation 4v8);Seraphim have six; the most frequently encountered descriptor applied to Cherubim in Christianity is many-eyed, and in depictions the wings are often shown covered with a multitude of eyes (showing them to be all seeing beings). Since the Renaissance, in Western Christianity cherubim have sometimes become confused with putti — innocent souls, looking liked winged children, that sing praises to God daily— that can be seen in innumerable church frescoes and in the work of painters such as Raphael.
Wikipedia
I was going to make a connection with the 2 cherubs, but I let your fellow masson trinityman wonder in the dark a bit, I let him speak and give his opinion and wach as he takes defencive states speaking non sence, it was fun for me, acording to him their not even angels, denny what you don't know of, it's enjoiable I'll tell you, the next thing I'll get him where I want him, it's hard to defend when you don't know what is what.
This is a semantic argument, and with the narrow definition of freemasonry you are working with it's going nowhere.
-Trinityman
...There is a long list of inaccuracies I have listed that you are either unwilling or unable to counter, and I have demonstrated that you are either engaging in wordplay, or not answering my points. I notice you've gone very quiet about Jahbulon, for example.
-Trinityman
Assume that [now, please, respond to my original statement that "Freemasons, as well as all monotheists, whether inadvertantly or not, worship Satan. " I assume, from your absence of an actual response or argumen, that you can make no argument.] if you want, but by demonstrating the errors in Dr. Stanfords understanding of freemasonry it is clear that her conclusions must be in error too.
-Trinityman
Freemasons do not worship Satan
-Trinityman
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
As I had explained and asked previously, why would a loving god create the food chain, where animals are forced to kill eachother to survive?
Look at all the rampant exploitation and injustice which is common place and seemingly normal.
Why would a loving god create physical matter that decays inherintly and forces unavoidable suffering and death?
Why would a loving god want you to suffer?
Why would a loving god create evil beings to exploit the innocent?
Why would a loving god create evil?
Why would a loving god want you do die?
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
Why would a loving god want Jesus to be harrased, ridiculed, and subsequently tortured to death?
Jesus in the Holy Land - Gnosis - Practical Gnosticism
...Jesus upraised himself from the darkness to the light; he passed through all human sufferings, and therefore, he is the only one who can redeem us from all human pains.
The people of Israel were chosen in order to surround the Master and thus to redeem the world. Now we comprehend why so many prophets and so many saints where born amongst the people of Israel. Upon the unconquered walls of Zion, the glory of Solomon, son of David the King of Zion, resplendently shone. This is why the face of Jehovah resplendently shone upon the unconquered walls of Jerusalem. Likewise, Isaiah, Samuel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and many other prophets shone filled with Light upon the streets of Jerusalem. These were the prophets chosen to accompany the Lord.
Regrettably, at the supreme hour of the final test, their Sanhedrin liberated Barrabas (Javhe) and sent their Christ, their promised Messiah, to be crucified. Thus, when their people had to choose between Christ and Javhe, they crucified the Christ and adored Javhe, who is the chief of the Black Lodge. Javhe is a fallen angel, the genie of evil. Javhe is a terribly perverse Demon.
This is how the people of the Prophets of Judah crucified their promised Messiah - Christ; this is how their people, the nation of Israel, failed. This is how the people that had been chosen by the Prophets of Judah in order to spread the Christic wisdom upon the entire face of the earth chose the Abyss. Now, that nation follows Javhe and totally failed its Prophets, because such a nation betrayed its Master and crucified him. If the Lord had not been crucified, the destiny of the Western world would have been another; we would now have sublime enlightened Rabbis everywhere, preaching the Christic Esotericism...
Why did the Higher Loving God allow the "evil" Demiurge Great Architect to Create or "rebel" in the first place?..
...And what can be done to end the suffering that the Demiurge supposedly created?
And I did not see the answers here:
www.xeeatwelve.net...
Is that info "channelled" from "Light Beings"?
...The first three evil minds were caught in an error that occurred in the True Creation Process. Bear in mind that the use of the term "error" does not have the same connotation as when the word "error" is normally used in the world. This error has been referred to as the Celestial Error. The Celestial Error is actually the Principle of Darkness...
© 2006 Dr. Amitakh Stanford & AHSAF
www.xeeatwelve.net...
..wouldn't you say that it's our own doing [all the rampant exploitation and injustice which is common place and seemingly normal]? Free will, and all that?
what's wrong with suffering and death? Maybe they are just trials, whereby we learn lessons that will prepare us for some glorious afterlife.
Who ever said that god was 'loving'? Where does that assumption come from?
Your love, O LORD, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies (Psalm 36:5).
How priceless is your unfailing love! Both high and low among men find refuge in the shadow of your wings (Psalm 36:7).
Within your temple, O God, we meditate on your unfailing love (Psalm 48:9).
But I am like an olive tree flourishing in the house of God; I trust in God's unfailing love for ever and ever (Psalm 52:8).
Monotheism is the sole dogma of Freemasonry. Belief in one God [Grand Architecht] is required of every initiate, but his conception of the Supreme Being is left to his own interpretation. Freemasonry is not concerned with theological distinctions. This is the basis of our universality.
If life is so horrible, isn't death a good thing?
...without evil, good is meaningless.
This is not relevant to secret societies.
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
...The first three evil minds were caught in an error that occurred in the True Creation Process. Bear in mind that the use of the term "error" does not have the same connotation as when the word "error" is normally used in the world. This error has been referred to as the Celestial Error. The Celestial Error is actually the Principle of Darkness...
© 2006 Dr. Amitakh Stanford & AHSAF
www.xeeatwelve.net...
As Amitakh explains, evil was never intentionally created. It was "accidentally," created and had subsequently usurped this universe.
What is being done to end the suffering that demiurge has forced upon is the complete destruction of the material universe, and all evil.
None of Amitakh's work is "chanelled. "
I suggest, if you are interested, to read the "The Eight Evil Minds," piece again, and perhaps more dillegently.
Gnostic Glossary
(Sanskrit) "The Great Day." A period of universal activity, as opposed to a Mahapralaya, a cosmic night or period of rest.
"I was absorbed within the Absolute at the end of that Lunar Mahamanvantara, which endured 311,040,000,000,000 years, or, in other words, an age of Brahma." - The Revolution of Beelzebub
"Truthfully, the quantities of years assigned to a Cosmic Day are symbolic. The Cosmic Night arrives when the ingathering of the perfect souls is complete, which means, when the Cosmic Day is absolutely perfected." - from The Pistis Sophia Unveiled
So the "Unconditionally Loving God" that you speak of here(which may not be the actual Unconditionally Loving God, but a mere product of the subjective mind), is the Absolute correct?
If so, then how does the Absolute God allow for "accidents" and allow for evil?
Is the Unconditionally Loving God being complacent with crime?
Also, how and/or why would the Absolute take less than a millisecond to dissolve evil, "rebellion", and "accidents"?
And what will you do in the mean time?
-Tamahu
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
Why would a supposedly "loving," god create evil beings to exploit the innocent in the first place?
The very idea that a loving god would force those he loved to suffer unnecesarily, just to prove their "worthiness," to experience bliss (which he had already created), is a sick idea. It is comparable to a sick competition.
A common and widely held Masonic Tenet is that, - God's existence is revealed to man through faith and the Book of Holy Scriptures; The Book of Holy Scriptures is the Ultimate Authority or Great Light of Freemasonry. According to the Book of Psalms ("holy" scriptures of "Christians" and Jews)...
Death, decay, and suffering are evil and do not have to exist, they are impositions forced upon us by the evil "Grand Architecht."
Originally posted by Tamahu
Still, the questions remain:
Why did the Higher Loving God allow the "evil" Demiurge Great Architect to Create or "rebel" in the first place?
Your fallacy lies therein...
A common and widely held Masonic Tenet is that, - God's existence is revealed to man through faith and the Book of Holy Scriptures; The Book of Holy Scriptures is the Ultimate Authority or Great Light of Freemasonry. According to the Book of Psalms ("holy" scriptures of "Christians" and Jews)...
you are making a jump in logic, and assuming that the Holy Bible is the book of Holy Scriptures for all masons. It's not.
I, for one, don't have a holy book that describes God as being all-loving.
...god didn't create evil beings. God granted beings free will, and some have opted to do evil things. It's a consequence of that free will.
Maybe there is pain involved in getting to the afterlife, that He is not responsible for. Maybe our earthly pain is preparation for that journey, so that we might survive to enjoy it.
I think its silly to cast aspersions based off of something we can't possibly gauge or understand.
Without death, there is no evolution, and we stagnate as a race.
Your issue is with their religions, not with the fraternity.
By the Original Poster's logic, the "Higher", "Loving" God must also be evil because he/she allowed it all to happen.
Originally posted by DerekOneSeven17
As I had explained and asked previously, why would a loving god create the food chain, where animals are forced to kill eachother to survive? Look at all the rampant exploitation and injustice which is common place and seemingly normal.
Why would a loving god create physical matter that decays inherintly and forces unavoidable suffering and death?