On to something huge here! (UFO HOAX)

Originally posted by BallOfPopulation

Originally posted by Frozenthought

Originally posted by BallOfPopulation
You were drugged and beaten up?

eeek

Yes indeed, But I guess I needed a little plastic surgery because i am even better looking now :-) Can't keep a good man down!

Can you tell us about that event, like where you were when it happened?

I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of your footage whenever you release it. I really want to head up to Cleveland and bring my camera with me too.

There is not much to tell, Whatever I was hit with knocked me out but even before that I was also loosing consciousness like the effects of a roofie or date rape drug, All I can tell you is I woke up hours later to a scene that would rival most horror movies.

But to be honest, that is not my favorite thing to talk about, I am healing up fine.

I can't wait to show some more of my footage to you all, it will be coming soon.

All of the footage used in the upcoming film will be the actual full res versions, And this clip will be included. As far as If i am releasing any of my uncompressed footage to a 3rd party, I would love that as long as I know who & what & where I am sending it to.

Footage that's delivered on DVD has indeed gone through a significant compression pass as part of the MPEG-2 conversion process, making it less than optimum for analysis.

Mr. Ritzmann and I would like the opportunity to look at some uncompressed footage, so consider this a request. If you U2U me, I'll be happy to supply you with details. Also, I'll ask the ATS honchos to vouch for our credibility. I post on here with my actual name, so google me, you'll find plenty of background info.

dB

Originally posted by Frozenthought
If I am on a beach with North being strait ahead and there is an object to my left (East) and it is coming in my direction, how could it be going WEST, If it were a plane flying west, wouldn't the freaken lights be facing WEST?

the lights are facing me, which is facing East.

I have no clue what you are seeing when you are watching that clip and I really can't help you anymore.


[edit on 9-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

Okay, one more time. You are on a beach with your camera shooting the view along the shoreline which google earth says runs south west from your location. The shoreline is visible in the left of your shot. The object moves toward the shoreline. It is moving towards the west. You keep insisting it is moving towards the east. There is an international airport towards the west.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Originally posted by Frozenthought
If I am on a beach with North being strait ahead and there is an object to my left (East) and it is coming in my direction, how could it be going WEST, If it were a plane flying west, wouldn't the freaken lights be facing WEST?

the lights are facing me, which is facing East.

I have no clue what you are seeing when you are watching that clip and I really can't help you anymore.


[edit on 9-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

Okay, one more time. You are on a beach with your camera shooting the view along the shoreline which google earth says runs south west from your location. The shoreline is visible in the left of your shot. The object moves toward the shoreline. It is moving towards the west. You keep insisting it is moving towards the east. There is an international airport towards the west.

I give up, I'm done. believe what you want, it's all good.

Actually, i will give it one more try, Object #1 in my opinion at the beginning of the clip was not stationary but moving towards my direction which is (East) of where Object #1 is

Near the end of the clip, object #1 one heads towards the shore which is South and as a matter of fact, do you see the little bay area in your second screen capture, Object #1 flew over that little cove, that is not West.

That cove is within walk distance from where I filmed these

At no time does object #1 ever look like it was facing west, Not to me when i was there and seen it with my own two eyes and it doesn't look like that in the film either

Peace.
MLH


[edit on 9-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

I think you're being disingenuous now. South of you along the shore is south west. It's certainly not east of you.

I think you know full well this is a plane headed for the airport. Very disappointing.

I find it hard to believe that planes are not visible in this area at night. Do you mean with the double light formation? because planes are constantly coming in the direction you are facing and circling the area waiting to land at one of the airports ie Toledo Express, Burke or Cleveland Hopkins. Do you never see these planes at night?

I found a live flight tracker site to help visualise this. I have marked the location and direction which I have the impression you were looking, correct me if I'm wrong though.

Frozenthought, please don't get frustrated with the line of questioning, and we appreciate your time here trying to answer honestly. All of us here want to know what it is out there, but the only way to find out for sure is by deduction in many forms.

I am sure you would not want to put out a DVD with this video, and find out later that it was indeed proven an airplane all along.

Do you have any more videos you could provide of even a single one of these orbs up close? Perhaps we can determine more from this?

Also, did you file a police report for the assault on you? If so, any chance you will make it public? That would sure prove someone was out to get you!

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
I think you're being disingenuous now. South of you along the shore is south west. It's certainly not east of you.

I think you know full well this is a plane headed for the airport. Very disappointing.

Wow, you have to be joking? Yes if i look to the left, that is facing West, If i am looking west down a road and there is a car appoaching me, what direction is the car traveling? This is not that hard?

Frozenthought, do you think you could answer my questions in the previous post and verify or not the direction which I have placed you facing on the flight map?

Thanks


[edit on 9-2-2007 by Xeros]

As a co-producer of a film that is going to include this footage, you would have a vested interest in making sure your video is NOT shown to be just aircraft, correct?

How can we take anything you say as fact now? Your objectivity is shot, not by any fault of your own, but it is.

Would kinda suck for you if it was shown just before your film comes out that some of the footage is just planes coming in for a landing, no? Would pretty much throw any other footage you have into the same pile.

Originally posted by Xeros
I find it hard to believe that planes are not visible in this area at night. Do you mean with the double light formation? because planes are constantly coming in the direction you are facing and circling the area waiting to land at one of the airports ie Toledo Express, Burke or Cleveland Hopkins. Do you never see these planes at night?

I found a live flight tracker site to help visualise this. I have marked the location and direction which I have the impression you were looking, correct me if I'm wrong though.

I never said planes are not visable over the lake where I filmed these, What I have actually said is that I have seen & heard many planes over the lake and they never looked like whatever this object was.

Off reality here for a moment. been writing a screenplay as a prequel to RS' "Alien". At this time it's called LV-426.
But anyway, that has nothing in common with this sighting, video'd by an ATS Member.

Dallas

The reason I even uploaded this clip in the first place if that David Sereda was asked to go on FOX NEWS, He showed this clip on fox news, Fox News butchered the clip and took out anything remotely even interesting, I thought that was BS and decided that everybody deserved to see the full clip and decide for themselves.

I am trying to help people become aware there are ET's here and I trully believe that.

I have been upfront along and said i am working with DAVID.

Do you see any of my other clips on Youtube, If I wa just trying to gain attention, don't you think I would have posted everything up there by now?

I even posted a thread here at ATS says FOX NEWS was going to be showing my footage, If they would have given it a fair hand shake, i would have never even uploaded the full clip onto youtube.

I wasn't trying to promote the movie my putting the clip up on youtube and if that is what you want to believe, that is only because you have lost faith in other people and choose to look at life through a negitive lense over your Life googles.

Believe what you want, you only have two choices Fear or LOVE choose wisely.

So much for trying to help the UFO community huh?



[edit on 9-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

Frozen, none of us are calling you a hoaxer or saying that you don't have good intentions, you very well may be on to something huge as your title says! But don't be negative about wanting to scrutinize the facts to be sure.

So anyone that doesn't believe you, even after seeing evidence, and lots of it, that would tend to show that they are just planes, sucks?

Your true colours are showing. I would think you would welcome people looking into it and trying to find out what it really is, instead of just taking what you think for absolute fact, especially if you are involved in a film about ufo's. You would want the best footage available would you not?

But then again, I suck according to you, so I guess my opinion doesn't matter.

Edited to add that I see you removed your comment where you said

"you people really suck"

Thanks for that, so I don't suck now?



[edit on 9-2-2007 by sensfan]

Originally posted by MiahX
Frozen, none of us are calling you a hoaxer or saying that you don't have good intentions, you very well may be on to something huge as your title says! But don't be negative about wanting to scrutinize the facts to be sure.

The only thing that is not being discussed is what this thread was about in the 1st place, That these same exact objects have been filmed and wittnessed over Lake Ontario as well.

Originally posted by Frozenthought

Originally posted by MiahX
Frozen, none of us are calling you a hoaxer or saying that you don't have good intentions, you very well may be on to something huge as your title says! But don't be negative about wanting to scrutinize the facts to be sure.

The only thing that is not being discussed is what this thread was about in the 1st place, That these same exact objects have been filmed and wittnessed over Lake Ontario as well.

You're right, they have been filmed! But what are they? I believe that ET's exist too, but is that what these are?

Let's work together to find out! Will you work with us?

Have fun with it!

[edit on 9-2-2007 by MiahX]

Originally posted by sensfan
So anyone that doesn't believe you, even after seeing evidence, and lots of it, that would tend to show that they are just planes, sucks?

Your true colours are showing. I would think you would welcome people looking into it and trying to find out what it really is, instead of just taking what you think for absolute fact, especially if you are involved in a film about ufo's. You would want the best footage available would you not?

But then again, I suck according to you, so I guess my opinion doesn't matter.

Ya, If you say that I am only doing this because I am involved in a movie, Ya that sucks. And you have no clue what you are talking about.

How many times can I say, Believe what you want, i have answered every question sometimes 3 or 4 times in as many ways as I can think of, If you want to believe they are planes, That is OK, I don't believe that.

Pilot's and other experts have said this doesn't look like any airplanes they have ever seen, I am going with there opinions for the time being.

Peace,

Originally posted by Frozenthought

Originally posted by MiahX
Frozen, none of us are calling you a hoaxer or saying that you don't have good intentions, you very well may be on to something huge as your title says! But don't be negative about wanting to scrutinize the facts to be sure.

The only thing that is not being discussed is what this thread was about in the 1st place, That these same exact objects have been filmed and wittnessed over Lake Ontario as well.

I watched all the videos on that site you posted in your initial post in this thread, and I see nothing that would say to me that they are alien craft, or anything other than airplanes. What makes them so special? a point of light moving accross the night sky, I see them all the time, and guess what, they are planes. so, you are probably right, your video is the same as those, just more planes.

Those are aircraft lights. After watching the videos and reading Defcon's posts, I have to agree. Defcon has made his statements with sufficient proof...Where as these videos don't show much other than the things he has been explaining.

Aircraft lights. Nothing special.