On to something huge here! (UFO HOAX)

Originally posted by Xeros

Originally posted by Frozenthought
Have you not read anyhting on this thread? I have given Google map info, And it is clear there is no Airport where these craft are

They are directly in a high density flighpath area of approach towards Cleveland Hopkins and Burke.

Originally posted by Frozenthought
and they are heading away from Burke

The plane on the left is heading towards it, or Hopkins. I don't know what the other is doing but I dont think it matters really. There are planes heading in all kinds of directions all over that lake frequently. Airplanes will often circle untill it is safe to land.

Exactly Xeros. It's been shown over and over that the plane on the left heads directly towards the shoreline which means it's heading towards the airport.

Originally posted by Frozenthought
I am sure they are not sending commercial aircraft flying 50 feet off the lake

50 feet? they are at least a mile out over the lake, from what I can see, probably closer to ten.

It looks like it's about the same distance as the bright lights on the shore which are around 7 or 8 miles away. However, I think he meant 50 feet above the water, which is also ridiculous compared to the lights on the shore - we're talking about a couple of thousand feet.

Originally posted by Frozenthought
and then sending another commercial aircraft dangerously close to the first craft anyhow

I think that your perspective is completeley wrong. The aircraft that you think is "dangerously close" is miles behind the first craft. It looks like they are close because they are heading in the same direction at one point towards your direction.

You mean they're not hovering on top of each other?? Damn, I thought we caught some good alien sex video!

yeah i agree with frozen, those light are most likely appartments or something. I think burke would be out of view from that location.

I know your perspective is wacked, Um Ya, first off, Hopkins in Total Est. Distance: 30.05 miles, I just mapquested it, it is also west from my location, These objects were travelling east, Why is that so hard to understand?

Ok then 30. It looked like roughly 20 on Google but it doesn't really matter imo, aircraft lights can be clearly seen at far greater distances. I know where Hopkins is from you. I have been studying the area on Google for some time and I know that you are at Lakeline facing West. Why do you think that these objects are moving away from you?
I think that they are moving towards you and the headlights are what we are seeing.

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Exactly Xeros. It's been shown over and over that the plane on the left heads directly towards the shoreline which means it's heading towards the airport.

Wow, here we go again, if the lake is due North, If you fly off the lake and over the shore you are travelling South, Have you never seen a Compass?

For the object to travel West, it would have to turn around, this is not that hard.

Originally posted by Frozenthought
I know your perspective is wacked, Um Ya, first off, Hopkins in Total Est. Distance: 30.05 miles, I just mapquested it, it is also west from my location, These objects were travelling east, Why is that so hard to understand?

If you are going to debunk it, at least try using the facts

[edit on 11-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

Facts? The facts are that the plane leaves the scene travelling towards the WEST.

I know that you are at Lakeline facing West. Why do you think that these objects are moving away from you?
I think that they are moving towards you and the headlights are what we are seeing.

I never said they were moving away from me? Are you people on crack or something? I have said all along they were coming towards me travelling East, The Lake is North, To my right is East behind me is South

Originally posted by Frozenthought
Wow, here we go again, if the lake is due North, If you fly off the lake and over the shore you are travelling South, Have you never seen a Compass?

For the object to travel West, it would have to turn around, this is not that hard.

WHy don't you get it? You're not facing north. You're facing south west.

Facts? The facts are that the plane leaves the scene travelling towards the WEST.

You must be joking, The object was heading East towards me, then headed towards the shore which is South, ever looked at a freaken map?

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Originally posted by Frozenthought
Wow, here we go again, if the lake is due North, If you fly off the lake and over the shore you are travelling South, Have you never seen a Compass?

For the object to travel West, it would have to turn around, this is not that hard.

WHy don't you get it? You're not facing north. You're facing south west.

Please look at the following map of Lake Erie with the cumapss directions, How could I be facing South at all? encarta.msn.com... Click on it to zoom in.

[edit on 11-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

Here, I have 1kb upload space left.



Do you see it now? The shore runs southwest from Eastlake. To video the shoreline you have to be facing southwest.

[edit on 2/11/2007 by mythatsabigprobe]

I posted a pic earlier which yiu did't disagree with Frozenthought.

Here



Now that may not be 100% accurate but the position of the airport is clear and I have not changed this idea of where you were and the rough direction of the camera. I don't know what the argument is.

The fact of the matter is is that the planes are coming towards you imo, whatever direction you are facing.

[edit on 11-2-2007 by Xeros]

Yes? that shows I was facing North / West, not South/West, South is the reverse direction of the lake? what is you point? I give, Think what you want.

[edit on 11-2-2007 by Frozenthought]

I never once said southwest I said west, whatever. The point is you are facing the airport and oncoming planes imo. Let's not get bogged down in irrelevant pickyness.

[edit on 11-2-2007 by Xeros]

I guess you really must be onto something here frozen. Look at the huge crowd of debunkers trying to convince everybody of their point of view, that these are just planes.

To give you some positive input: I enjoyed the video and downloaded it.

That what is happening to you right here, that already happened to me some time ago on another board. I had clear evidence for something "out of the ordinary" and lots of folks came trying to debunk it. Althought they had no real evidence, they were able to convince the most folks that it was just "weather".

These people are on a agenda. It might be their own personel agenda or they're "on the job"

Don't get angry about them, that's what they want. They want you to loose your credibility.

I guess it's useless to show the people good evidence for something "out of the ordinary". They'll fall rather for the ones on a agenda.

i think the direction looks like this on the video img67.imageshack.us...

Just a suggestion for the future. A decent compass might set one back about 8 or 10 bucks. It could be used to verify camera direction in the future. People do get confused with directions. Map and compass, GPS, etc. can really help. This is assuming the desire to truely document an event for future analysis.

OK here is proof positive that aircraft can and do hold over the watter just slightly west headed to the NE (Or rough NE) of Burke. Once even or slightly ENE on the West side of Burke then make a right turn heading WSW on a heading that lines up with either the left or Right RWY




Taken at 1032A Note 5 in the pattern the one on the right and to the East NE had just taken off.



Taken at 1048 with all planes landed.

Frozen Please take note of the direction of the planes in the pattern I marked them clearly with arrows so you could see them heading toward you turning and then landing at CLE

TAken on a Sunday no less imagine what the pattern would look like at night with a congested airspace

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Frozen,

Please consider sending the vid to Biedny to be analyzed.

Also, why not take a telescope down to the lake to get a better view of them ad see what they really are?

Still looking forward to that other video you said you would post, that sounded like good footage!

Originally posted by Xeros
The fact of the matter is is that the planes are coming towards you imo, whatever direction you are facing.

Looks like you took those about the same time I took mine only I cropped after doing a screen shot that showed 5 in the holding pattern.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If I remember right the pattern was like that around 1024 or close to it, that would be the time of your and it could have been sooner in fact



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Here are some numbers that might be useful.

Distance between Cleveland, Ohio, United States and Lakeline, Ohio, United States, as the crow flies:
17 miles (27 km) (15 nautical miles)

Initial heading from Cleveland to Lakeline:
northeast (43.2 degrees)
Initial heading from Lakeline to Cleveland:
southwest (223.4 degrees)

Cleveland, Ohio, US
Location: 41:28:47N 81:40:43W
Elevation: 690 feet

Lakeline, Ohio, US
Location: 41:39:31N 81:27:14W
Elevation: 617 feet

The ground rises (690-617) 73 feet toward the west.
The horizon drop 8 inches/mile
Visual: 73 feet - Drop 11 feet = 62 feet higher to the west at a distance of 17 miles.

Seems like aircraft might be quite prominent in the western sky. Looks like planes from detroit are coming right out of the west also.