Fighter Jet UFO Footage: The Real Deal

Originally posted by Willard856

While the filename is f4, this may not be indicative of the aircraft type. Certainly if it does reference an F-4, the timeline is out (I'm pretty sure there were no manned F-4s flying in 2004). Also, I'm not certain if the upgraded F-4s had a DDI such as the one shown in the video.

This is my first contribution to this thread so I apologise that its not a very big contribution, and may even be a red herring, but manned F-4's are still in service with the Luftwaffe in Germany. I just thought the link with Germany was too much of a coincidence not to mention. carry on chaps

Thanks Waynos, problem is it was US fighters that conducted the intercept. The original post says 2004 as the year it occured. So I pretty much ruled the F-4 out (I'm fairly sure even the Guard don't fly F-4s in the US anymore).

Is that a definite? That it was US fighters, or is it only what is claimed? I am unable to view the footage for some reason as it is 'forbidden'. I was just wondering, with the mention of German film makers etc if it might have been fabricated from genuine Luftwaffe cockpit footage as their F-4's have been greatly updated in recent years and do have the pods required.

It's gone a little quite here recently, im in the UK so maybe everyone is still sleeping. I wonder if this thread is close to dying the closer we get to receiving more evidence, hope not. It would be pretty rubbish if TFT bottled out at the finish line.

I'm giving it until the end of today then saying goodbye to our friend, it doesn't take that long to release info and I will summise that TFT and his German pals are laughing at anyone who has been swept up in this. Shame really.

Originally posted by October
I wonder if this thread is close to dying the closer we get to receiving more evidence, hope not.

Hi October,

I'm a fellow Brit, and therefore awake...

Without wishing to reveal the content of U2U communications, I'll just mention that I'm still pursuing this matter by U2U with TFT.

Just in case anyone takes this fact as an endorsement of TFT's claims, at the risk of boring members of ATS I'll repeat the conclusion that I expressed at the end of my first post in this thread on Page 1:

Originally posted by IsaacKoi
Conclusion : Pending release of the promised further "files", this video should be tentatively identified as an attempted hoax on ATS by members of the "vision-unlimited" group of German student film makers.

Kind Regards,

Isaac

Hi IsaacKoi,

I remember reading your post at the beginning of the thread and you have a good way of dissecting the info that TFT gave us and using it to get the information we would really like to see. None of us are mugs here and until something distinctive happens i'm going with the student view.

It seemed strange to me that in early postings TFT's grammar was pretty bad in places and after he apologised for ranting on to us it's almost as if somebody else took over from him because his grammar in later posts is almost perfect.

If i can find out how to do i'm awarding a WATS!

Cheers

October

I don't know why you guys are even entertaining the idea that this is legitimate. The guy has tripped over his own story from the beginning, even started a thread with a contradicting story that was deleted apparently. He comes here with a few minutes of cockpit video that he could have gotten almost anywhere and a fantastic back story that's directly disproved by his own video, and can't even get his story straight about whether it was shot by the air force or the navy - which he supposedly works for...

Now he's holding out the carrot with these mysterious secret files that will prove it's the "real deal" and stalling every step of the way. You all KNOW it's crap and he'll keep trying to milk the story for as long as you let him. He's got the burden of proof, so now he needs to put up or shut up.

This is a GREAT video, best i've ever seen i think.
The UFO and polit seem to have been having a boy-racing session, and the UFO made our air-technology look very primative.
Theirs no doubt the chasing plane was trying to actually CATCH this thing rather than just chase it and monitor it.Some of the moves the UFO made were difficult even for the auto-lock camera to keep up with.The speed on the cam shows it was traveling at around MK2.
The end manouvere was it was like the UFO was saying 'yeah... ok try this!'
LOL... GREAT GREAT vid, thanx.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
(TFT's) got the burden of proof, so now he needs to put up or shut up.

You might think that, and I may well agree.

However, it is apparent from many of the messages on ATS that quite a few members think that those posting material should be taken as being honest and above board (regardless of the content of their posts) unless and until it is conclusively proved that the claims are dishonest.

In effect, this reverses the burden of proof and places it on those of us that think a claim may be somewhat dubious and should not be accepted pending further evidence in support of the claim.

Issues regarding the burden (and standard) of proof are at the core of the divisions between the various members of ATS, but are rarely expressly raised. I'm more interested in such issues than most, since I'm a lawyer...

Kind Regards,

Isaac

Originally posted by Order Out Of Chaos
The speed on the cam shows it was traveling at around MK2.

please point out this evidence for the airspeed of the A/C

thankyou

Issues regarding the burden (and standard) of proof are at the core of the divisions between the various members of ATS, but are rarely expressly raised. I'm more interested in such issues than most, since I'm a lawyer...

These standards are changed based on the individuals involved. That's all I'm going to say.

Regarding the topic at hand, I've read the entire thread and am leaning heavily toward hoax. You guys have done your homework.

Originally posted by Order Out Of Chaos
This is a GREAT video, best i've ever seen i think.
The UFO and polit seem to have been having a boy-racing session, and the UFO made our air-technology look very primative.
Theirs no doubt the chasing plane was trying to actually CATCH this thing rather than just chase it and monitor it.Some of the moves the UFO made were difficult even for the auto-lock camera to keep up with.The speed on the cam shows it was traveling at around MK2.
The end manouvere was it was like the UFO was saying 'yeah... ok try this!'
LOL... GREAT GREAT vid, thanx.

Do you even know what you were looking at?

From the sound of it, you have no idea what you were actually seeing.

Shattered OUT...

Found the video on YouTube

Posted by anon_94280 on 06-02-07 @ 04:59 AM

This anonymous post is in response to ATS thread: Fighter Jet UFO Footage: The Real Deal

Just saw this on the Anonymous board.

Well, that’s not a good sign. At this point the interview comments aren’t up yet, thought they’d be up last night. I stopped posting yesterday afternoon due to being busy re-formatting the initial thread so that it was readable for Willard. Willard U2Ud me that he received it in good order and had read through it and was awaiting TFT for the interview. I see that Willard posted early this morning without mention of the interview, so I’m not sure if the interview did in fact take place. I'll work on my patience here and share some thoughts I have on this situation while we wait.

Some Comments:

As a public forum it is very difficult for whistleblowers to safely share their information with us, especially if they are in government service. So, consider what we have done here a drill. A drill of how to handle whistleblowers and classified docs on a public forum. It doesn’t matter if TFT is real or a hoax, his claims provide a good opportunity for developing a method for this sort of situation. A situation that would be very welcome here at ATS if safeguards were in place to protect the whistleblower. Being anonymous is not enough in this day and age, and further safeguards should be provided for any willing to step forward.

I see that Isaac is interested in the methods used in this case as we all should be. It was a concern that TFT, if legitimate, would upon posting be escorted to a cell somewhere if the evidence was not carefully evaluated and sorted before posting with his welfare in mind. That was the reason for the separate interview. And then, the interviewer(s),who is qualified in this subject area was to question TFT on the inconsistencies and TFT could respond without the worry of self-incrimination in a public arena, thus the answers would be much more detailed. The docs which he claimed to have would be gone over for authenticity, etc.

After this was complete the next step is for the interviewer(s) to post his opinion on the thread minus the incriminating details. If the comments were positive other meetings would be set up with TFT to gather a consensus from members, Isaac, for example would be included at this point. I seriously doubt though that it would have been a good idea for an officer of the court to be present at the initial interview as he would then be in a very awkward position legally, and theoretically he would still be in a jeopardy position in following meetings if it concerned facilitating the release of govt. docs, scrubbed for identities or not. I’ll leave this for him to decide.

In summation this is the best I could come up with on short notice to protect whistleblowers with evidence in a public forum. Whether TFT is real or a hoax does not concern me, the drill of handling TFT does.

The Mods were exceptional in their level of support and should be applauded and thanked as should the aircraft forums which without their expertise the evaluation of a potential whistleblower or hoaxer would have gone on for 50+ pages and I do thank them and all contributing members exceedingly. Hopefully we will soon be apprised of the outcome of the interview and will at that point know what we are dealing with to a greater degree.

Also I would propose that in the future the members here develop a procedure to follow in similar situations, to be adapted accordingly as the situation merits and I hope Isaac and other legal professionals on the board would consider working together on this.

ATS members are the best!

STM



[edit on 6-2-2007 by seentoomuch]

Originally posted by ignorant_ape

Originally posted by Order Out Of Chaos
The speed on the cam shows it was traveling at around MK2.

please point out this evidence for the airspeed of the A/C

thankyou

You're right!!! The altitude meter is where i thought the speed meter was.
Infact, theirs NO avaliable indication on that above video clip of how fast (if indeed it was moving at all) either objects were traveling.

That allright for ya??
Glad im not under oath when i come here

Originally posted by ShatteredSkies

From the sound of it, you have no idea what you were actually seeing.

Shattered OUT...

YEAH,
And the same as above to YOU too.

Originally posted by Willard856
Shattered,

You obviously missed my post on page 4. It isn't a hud, it is a DDI displaying a targeting pod picture.

Wow....I have been reading this thread from its inception waiting for the "files" to be provided as much as the rest of you. But, in my opinion, altho I know what a skeptics job is, it seems that they just "kick dirt inTFT's eyes" for the sake of doing it. For example, they question his creds as far as being an IT2 because of some simple grammatical errors. But when other members do the same thing, it's ok. Now SS is making assumptions that you corrected on the last page (#4).

Now, I dont claim to know much about ufos and the like, but I somehow believe this story. TFT did claim to be a IT2 (comp tech) in the navy ( why are you guys questioning that? I can just as easily question a whole lot of you guys as well). He did also say that he has nothing to do with what goes on topside and on the flight deck. I used to be a ship yard worker and I know how IT's are locked in their workspace during their shift because I have had to make ship mods in their spaces ( and believe me, to get in is a pain in the nalga! If any one here used to work for the Navy or was a contractor you would know, other wise, don't bother with silly assumptions.) Also, in his original post ( as well as his original thread) he did say that the events in question took place about 3 years ago. Now, lets be honest here. You guys say (and I've also noticed) many inconsistancies (sic) in both his stories. But, like I said, he is an IT, and from how he has forgotten exact details is just a sign of a man who lived his life being too occupied with his work environment. I know how it feels like to suddenly try to remember an event from 3+ years ago. Its hazy and many facts aren't there.
As far as for him not sharing the files anymore, he probably has the feeling of ridicule, because you guys have called him short of a liar since about the beginning. Someone comes forward, and you skeptics yell liar.

I am glad I am not gonna share the story about what happened to my family and other campers in the same area of Mexico about 10 years or so ago.




Just my opinion, not to be taken as an insult or what have you.

Cheers....

NF-

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
why does " proof " need to be reviewed on AOL ???????

please stop dancing and just release it - un reviewed and unedited

patience is wearing thin

as far as i know he can release it where ever he wants. If he wants to do it on Aol then so be it. Why you gotta bag on the homie? Jeez, you would think you are GOd or something. *bows in your presence before departing*

Originally posted by Order Out Of Chaos
This is a GREAT video, best i've ever seen i think.
The UFO and polit seem to have been having a boy-racing session, and the UFO made our air-technology look very primative.
Theirs no doubt the chasing plane was trying to actually CATCH this thing rather than just chase it and monitor it.Some of the moves the UFO made were difficult even for the auto-lock camera to keep up with.The speed on the cam shows it was traveling at around MK2.
The end manouvere was it was like the UFO was saying 'yeah... ok try this!'
LOL... GREAT GREAT vid, thanx.

My thoughts exactly, but you will just be called a loon because you have some basic grammatical errors!

Seriously tho, I agree with you. It does seem like the jet is trying to keep up with the UFO (unidentified flying object for you skeptics out there )

Originally posted by necroflesh

as far as i know he can release it where ever he wants.

yes he can , BUT he claimed that it would be released " on demand "

If he wants to do it on Aol then so be it.

see above .

Jeez, you would think you are GOd or something. *bows in your presence before departing*

i am an ex brittish army corporal

i outrank god

Originally posted by ignorant_ape

Originally posted by necroflesh

as far as i know he can release it where ever he wants.

yes he can , BUT he claimed that it would be released " on demand "

If he wants to do it on Aol then so be it.

see above .

Jeez, you would think you are GOd or something. *bows in your presence before departing*

i am an ex brittish army corporal

i outrank god

True to all that, but, and like i said, I am leaning on either side not holding my breath, but if the the docs he contains are true, and he is an actual keeper of true docs, then he does have to edit it ( at least "erase" the names in the doc) and who knows how long a true ufo doc is. And, as far as him not releasing it on demand ( yes I do remember him saying that), he/she may feel that if it is provided, and it doesnt go with the story, thenyou guys would eat him alive. Like I said a few replies back, and IT doesn't really have contact with the "outside" world of the ship they are stationed at.

Hot damn....but since I am a Mex....I am your second in command!