3rd CSG heads to Gulf !

That's only 4 carrier groups, we've got more. Time for another 100,00 troops in Iraq to finally stabilize things. At the same time bomb Iran's nuclear capabilities back about 40 years.

I've been there. If you haven't, don't believe all the crap you see on TV. We were making progress until external influences (Syria, Iran, wishy-washy American politicians) sent the whole thing to hell in and hand-basket.



Oh yeah - We should have taken out N Korea back in '94. They were on their last legs at the time. The NK army was reduced to taking rice from villages to feed the troops. I was there too. Be nice if we could all join hands and sing Cumbiya, but there's always someone out there ready to kick out your campfire.

It's possible that the 'new' carrier group heading out is a replacement for a group already on-station. Does anybody have time-on-station data available for the groups currently deployed?

I've been there. If you haven't, don't believe all the crap you see on TV. We were making progress until external influences (Syria, Iran, wishy-washy American politicians) sent the whole thing to hell in and hand-basket.

So what if you're been there? That makes no escalation of your opinion above others who have not been there. The whole thing went to hell when America repeated it's war temperament once again in Iraq over absolutely vague intelligence. You're just a delusional soldier who's been to habituated into we're making progress mentality. There is no progress when Iran is the next target, is there?

Luxifero

They gotta stop violating the prime directive. When will they learn?

I bet Iran don't even have a McDonalds, sure as hell Iraq's got least 10 by now!! (actually none but hey still time)
WHERE IS MCDONALD'S?!

I just hope we (UK) are not dragged into this, cos we ain't got the recources anymore (read just don't wanna) Iraq yeah, stand by US, but there comes a point.

Sending carrier groups is just showing off any way, it's all gonna happen from high level bombing and ICBM stratigic nukes if it comes to it.

After the initial invasion of Iraq there was a relatively peaceful period of time. The U.S. screwed up by dismantling the Iraqi government including the army. When I first got there electricity was running, oil was pumping (at low capacity) People were using cell phones for the first time. There were still attacks but for a couple months our biggest problem was getting mobbed by children looking for handouts.

Then things got dangerous, we lost people, we still did our jobs. I know what it's like to kick in someones door at 4am and hear their kids screaming. It really sucks when you have to do that about 100 times to find one suspected insurgent, only to have him released after a day for lack of evidence. It doesn't make you any friends among the population.

The point I'm trying to make is that the Iraqi people and U.S. soldiers are not natural enemies. We aren't all knuckle dragging buffoons, and the Iraqis aren't all suicidal fanatics. There was a time when there was hope.

Iran, Syria, the Democratic party, and the peace at all costs crowd are all now invested in the U.S. failing. Sorry if you don't like it, but we're the Romans today. The UK and other allies are our border provences. The Islamo-facisit (yeah I said it) are the present day barbarians at the gate, as the Soviets were before. Someone has to be. When/If the U.S. falls God help you all.

IraqVet,

You get my vote for Way Above Top Secret.

Nice to see a post on the situation from someone who has......

1) Been there
2) Is not posting over emotional garbage based on what their favorite singer/entertainer beleives.

Couple of points on this thread and situation I want to make.

1. IF one or two of the carriers currently on station do not return, then we have a possibility of an attack. If 1 or especially 2 return, then I think it's just rotation time. Ike's been there since OCT I think, so that's 4 mths on station, and they usually stay 6 to 9, so we could be seeing something with the Regan and the Nimitz on the way. I don't know how long Stennis has been around.

2. Look for other depolyments, the carriers plus the "surge" is interesting. I read somewhere about 3 weeks ago a Brigade of the 82nd Airborne is going to KUWAIT, but not Iraq and will be a "regional reserve" or something like that. Interesting.

3. No one likes war, but I would keep a couple of things in mind. There has been a movement in the Middle East to kick out all Western/Isreali interests in the region at LEAST since the estabilsment of Isreal and going back to the way the United Kingdom carved up the area after WWI (incidently British Petroleum and other Europena oil companies have FAR more interests in the region then the US). The problem is others in the region, want those same ties to the West so their countries can prosper with the oil trade, education, and technological advancement.

The situation now is that in many of the middle east/islamic countries those of the militant/12 century interpretation of Islam are, if not the majority, the ones with the power. Iran is militant, Syria is bathist (same as Saddam), Afgahanistan is teetering on the edge as is Iraq, especially if we withdrawl. Turkey is sliding as is Egypt. Saudi is just the Royal Family being killed away from being the worst. Only Jordan and Kuwait seem to want to operate in the modern world, and not be locked away by those that seek the 12th century again.

Now, you can throw in your conspiracies about the war being all about profitering, oil control, the Euro vs the Dollar, US/Western Imperialism, the Jews, NWO, Aliens, Bush's etc controlling the world, and the end of the world according to Jewish, Christian, or islamic traditions. In fact I won't even argue against those, because personally I beleive that some or even all of those may be true (to some degree, if not all).

BUT, if you put all that aside. At the end of the day, it comes down to two cultures; one Western Judeah Christian culture and the other Islamic that cannot coexist according to militant whabist Islam, which are those in influence, if not control. They have a goal of everyone on this planet one day (if not today, or tomorrow, or even 100 years from now) bowing to Allah, and if you won't they will erradicate you. If you don't want to beleive or face this fine, but that doesn't make it any less true.

The war against terror, or islamic extremism, or whatever you want to call it needs to be fought. The US and the Bush administration may have made some mistakes (they may even be more inclined to look at economic/oil reasons then military necessity for their choice and timing of targets: ie Iraq). But at least we are fighting this war. One that many of our fellow posters seem not to want to. With Islamic radicalism gaining momentum in Britian, France, and the rest of Europe, how long till some of you wake up. War is not a good thing, but neither is our own deaths, and loss of our own culture and society.

And no, I am not a victim of propaganda... .I have been studying, reading, and interested in this situation for about 20 years now, NOT since 9/11. None of what has or is happening has been a surprise or shock to me.

has anyone heard about feburary 24 or around that time for an iran attack i read a rumor on the internet please relpy if anyone read or heard something

Originally posted by kingofkings
has anyone heard about feburary 24 or around that time for an iran attack i read a rumor on the internet please relpy if anyone read or heard something

No I have not, but that would make sense, the last carrier should arrive around the 17th to Bahrain! Do you have a link to the rumor?

Originally posted by iraqvet68


The point I'm trying to make is that the Iraqi people and U.S. soldiers are not natural enemies. We aren't all knuckle dragging buffoons, and the Iraqis aren't all suicidal fanatics. There was a time when there was hope.

I know whaty a saying, after we went in, casualities werent common, now they are daily.

But, is there a chance, the anti american factions within iraqs population just sat indoors, waiting and learning... ?

I personally think they were always there, but had they of attacked you from DAY 1, it would of made life difficult for them in implementing there attacks and keeping co-ordination.

Being they waited, they managed to build a base of people, operations and know where your convoys drove, where your bases were and so forth?

[edit on 3-2-2007 by Agit8dChop]

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Originally posted by Awake and All Seeing
We had 4 in the gulf during November.
Is it reasonable to believe the US is just redeploying ?

According to GlobalSecurity.org we only had two CSGs in the gulf during November. The Eisenhower and the Enterprise.

According to one report we did have 2 full size carriers and 2 small carriers in November.

4 Carrier Report in Nov. 06!

Iranian citizens are pretty concerned about the U.S. attacking Iran. I play games online and some people from Iran sometimes play with me and they and their families are very scared. They are quite normal people who have families and friends like people in other countries do. I always feel quite helpless after talking to them.

Looks like these naval operations are part of the troop surge or so that is the cover story!

Here is the latest run down on the 4 carriers current status! Only 3 underway, the Nimitz is to follow the Reagan next month, see second story on Reagan.

USS Eisenhower


USS Stennis


USS Reagan


More USS Reagan


USS Nimitz

From the looks of things it looks like March/April before everything will be in place. I have a very bad feeling about Iran, to me having potentially 4 carriers in a small operational area such as the Gulf is not good strategy!

If I remember correctly, during the first Gulf War we had 3 or 4 in the gulf, 1 in the red sea, and 1 in the Med.

We normaly always have 1 in the Gulf or just outside in the Sea of Arabia. 2 would be for increased intentions, but we have only had 3 or 4 during some sort of action.

Here are two more headed to the Gulf.

Destroyers Hamilton and Russell left today on this short notice deployment.

The Navy is calling it a surge deployment.

www.khnl.com...

Like I said, you do not move that much hardware in two months time without having something in mind for them to do to someone... I wonder how many UK ships are in the Persian Gulf......

Like we didn't know this already!

Gates confirms Naval Buildup in the Gulf!

Godsped and I am crossing my fingers!

Godspeed to whom? Those attacking Iran or to those opposing this? None the less, it should get interesting after they get their buildup done.

Godsped to our Navy, they only follow orders!

Follow illegal orders like fools and brainless bafoons yes, godspeed to them for it? Never. They are not my navy when they serve my enemy, they are serving the top 1% of the nations interests not everyones interests, huge differance. Kind of hard to wish someone luck when they serve the one who wants to strip you of everything you have: freedom, life, what little justice is left, job, home, money and leave you broken and homeless so they can make an extra 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% this year income. They took oaths (unless they got rid of this part) to follow legal orders, when a war is illegal, they are acting illegaly, why? The choice was THEIRS to make no one elses. Like I said on another forum, if they have the guts to attack Iran, I hope they lose BAD (The US military) and get sent packing. Good luck to Iran, they have EVERY right to fight right now. Some nation in the world needs to take a stand against them and Iran has, and I hope someone teaches them a hard lesson in the legality and illegality of wars. Lose your entire fleet so a couple of idiots can make money on rebuilding the fleet. Maybe that is what it will take to make some stop and think, and finally realize that the US military is NOT the strongest military in the world.