One Third Of The Holocaust:More Compelling Evidence It Never Happened

Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by kenochi
I've been interested in the subject for a few years but I find it amazing that anyone can still believe this story.

As a PhD student in Conflict Resolution and Analysis, I find your assertion that YOU spent "a few years" near ludicrous, along with your belief system.

Personally, I find it utterly amazing that people like you still don't believe that such occurred. Pretty sad if you ask me. The proofs and evidences speak for themselves. To dispute them is not revisionism, as some skeptics would have you believe, but pure unadulterated, self-delusional denial.

It does matter how many and how they died. Because if you start arguing that "only" half were dead in the gas chambers, that mythical six million figure -which holds so much religious importance to the Jews btw- vanishes into thin air

Most undesirables were rounded up and put to work as slaves. And yes, some were executed because they were political enemies. But for the life of me I do not see how this is worse than Stalin´s Gulags, Japan´s internment camps or the P.O.W. camps on U.S. soil during WWII for that matter.

Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
Problem I have with "investigations of the Holocaust" is that it is never done by nuetral sources but but groups or individuals with a anti jewish agenda.

so phd STUDENT, what proofs are you talking about. The scam trial, the hundreds of thousands of SURVIVORS still alive today. how many of those survivers seen an oven? Im supposed to believe that soap was made from victims, and i can buy a lamp shade made of jew skin, bu there is no way that any of the evidence was lied about or exagerated?

who is the senstationalist here?

why have all the so called proof with nazi records been boarded up in a safehouse for the last 60 years?


sorry to everyone else, but i could not let that nonsense be the last word of this thread.

Good job truthforhire, dont let these gullible sheep break your spirits.
i wonder if even half of these people giving argument ever actually watched video you posted?

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
I will not get arrested or imprisoned for revising second world war history. I will get arrested for telling lies that are libelous or downright disrespectful. The very best example is David Irving, David Irving was not arrested for revising history, he was arrested for an ill-advised and impetuous denial of the gas chambers. This is the opportunity that had been long awaited and he was jumped on and imprisoned. Irving has been telling the truth for years and as a result, he has been marginalised, ridiculed and the victim of disinformation. That is what really happens to people who tell the truth.

They don't imprison you for telling the truth, they ignore you and hope you go away, if that doesn't work they try to make sure that no-one will listen to you.

Originally posted by Truth4hire
My opinion as I mentioned earlier is that I do not think Auschwitz was a death camp and that most victims died of malnutrition and disease at the latter stages of the war due to insuficcient supplies reaching the concentration camps which, in turn was caused by a breakdown of the German railway infrastructure caused by Allied bombings.

Born:
1928
Sighet, Transylvania (now in Romania)

Background:
Wiesel's parents, Shlomo and Sarah Wiesel, were Orthodox Jews. His father ran his own grocery store and was active in the community. Wiesel had three sisters, Hilda, Beatrice and Tzipora.

Holocaust Experience:
When Wiesel was 15, he and his family were forced by Nazis into a Jewish ghetto and then deported to Auschwitz–Birkenau. His mother and younger sister, Tzipora, were killed at Auschwitz. He and his father survived together for one year, but his father died shortly before American troops liberated the camp.

Night:
Wiesel describes his experience during the Holocaust in Night, which was first published in French in 1958 as La Nuit. Night has been translated into more than 30 languages. Wiesel released a new English translation of Night in 2006, which was translated by his wife, Marion Wiesel. The new translation was chosen for Oprah's Book Club, propelling it on to the bestsellers lists.

Other Writings:
Wiesel has published more than 40 fiction and nonfiction books.

After the Holocaust:
After the war, Wiesel lived in a French orphanage where he learned French and found his two older sisters, Hilda and Beatrice. Wiesel began studying philosophy at the Sorbonne in 1948. He became a professional journalist, but refused to write about or discuss his Holocaust experience for 10 years after the war. Wiesel moved to the U.S. in 1955 and became a U.S. citizen in 1963.

Teaching:
Wiesel is the Andrew Mellon Professor of Humanities at Boston University.

Humanitarian Work:
Wiesel won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986 for speaking out against violence and oppression. Shortly afterward, he and his wife started the Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity to combat indifference, injustice and intolerance.

A few words force themselves to our attention in regard to Elie Wiesel (...). In Night, a biographical account particularly regarding his internment at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, Mr. Wiesel does not even mention the gas chambers but it appears, by way of a sort of universal media convention, that he is considered as a witness par excellence on the ‘Holocaust’ and the gas chambers. According to him, if the Germans exterminated large numbers of Jews, it was by forcing them either into raging fires or ovens! The conclusion of his testimony includes an extremely curious episode (pp. 129-133) over which I have been waiting years for Elie Wiesel to furnish us an explanation: in January 1945 he tells us, the Germans gave him and his father the choice between staying behind in the camp to await the arrival of the Soviets, or leaving with the Germans; after agreeing between them, the father and son decided to depart for Germany with their executioners instead of staying in place to await their Soviet liberators…

R: But these were all lies, as Spanish mainstream historian Benito Bermejo found out in early 2005. During the war, Marco actually volunteered in 1941 to work in a German navy dockyard, from where he returned to Spain in 1943. He never saw any German camp form the inside. Norman Finkelstein clearly illuminated the blind loyalty aspect of Holocaust liars by recalling Elie Wiesel’s stubborn loyalty towards Holocaust impostor
Jerzy Kosinski, long after Polish journalist Johanna Siedlecka exposed Kosinski’s basic Holocaust text of 1965, The Painted Bird, as a fabrication. Alfred Kazin’s reproach in the Chicago Tribune is fitting when he claims that Elie Wiesel, Primo Levi, and Jerzy Kosinski “tried making a fortune off the Holocaust and inventing atrocities.”

L: Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi have also been exposed as fabricators?

R: They have been accused of being dishonest. Elie Wiesel, probably the most famous of all Auschwitz survivors, was repeatedly and massively attacked by his own Holocaust allies, among others by Norman Finkelstein as well as by Pierre Vidal-Naquet, the arch-rival of revisionist scholar Dr. Robert Faurisson. Vidal-Naquet claimed: “For instance, they have Rabbi Kahane, this extremist Jew, who is less dangerous than a man like Elie Wiesel, who tells all sorts of things… One only has to read a few descriptions in ‘Night’ in order to know that some of his depictions are not
true and that at the end he turned into a Shoah peddler. And so he as well damages the historical truth, and this to a tremendous extent.”

R: Later I shall return to some contextual aspects of Wiesel’s biography La Nuit (Night), but now only mention an extraordinary aspect: In the original French version of his book he does not mention the gas chambers at Auschwitz. His view was that Jews were killed at Auschwitz by pushing them alive into burning pits. I will get back to that later. Only in the German version was this “deficiency” rectified by substituting the
words “cremation oven” with “Gaskammer” (gas chamber). This was done so mechanically that even the concentration camp Buchenwald had its crematory turned into a gas chamber, though it had never before been asserted that there was a gas chamber at Buchenwald.

4.5.15. Elie Wiesel

R: In conclusion of our consideration of incredible testimonies, and as introduction to testimonies that are more credible, we will now consider the statements of our last witness. Since Wiesel does not claim that homicidal gas chambers existed at Auschwitz (see Table 25, p. 427), he had to come up with a different way of exterminating his fellow Jews.

L: But he does claim that flames shot out of the crematory chimneys!

R: Thanks for the additional detail. In order to murder his victims, Wiesel hit upon the idea of having the victims of Auschwitz burned alive in huge open fires:

“Not far from us, flames were leaping up from a ditch, gigantic flames. They were burning something there. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered its load – little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it – saw it with my own eyes… those children in the flames. (Is it surprising that I could not sleep after that? Sleep had fled from my eyes.) So this is where we were going. A little farther on was another and larger ditch for adults. […] ‘Father,’ I said, ‘if that is so, I don’t want to wait here. I’m going to run to the electric wire. That would be better than slow agony in the flames.’”

R: The French original actually reads “vegetating for hours in the flames,” an exaggeration which had been obviously edited out in the English translation. As we all know, he did not have to “vegetate for hours in the flames,” though.

L: As if it would have been possible to “vegetate for hours in the flames.”

R: A bit of an exaggeration, to be sure.

L: How can it be that the SS let him wander around freely in the camp so that he could become a witness of such atrocious cruelties in the first place?

R: Let’s say it that way: Wiesel saw flames, where there were none. Here two more examples:

“[…] the flames were gushing out of a tall chimney into the black sky. […] Do you see that chimney over there? See it? Do you see those flames?”