Possible interpretations of the book of revelations

Unraveller, here is what I am talking about when I say conscription...It's being proposed by the democratic party right here in the United States...

Universal National Service Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)

HR 393 IH

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 393
To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.
thomas.loc.gov...:H.R.393:

Here is a link to the thread where I found this

Universal Service

Most of these people have little regard as to how history views them, or the future of this country. What makes you think China, or any other government of the world is any different?

[edit on 31-1-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Do you all listen to Coast to Coast AM? Brent Miller was the guest monday, and he was excellent in his summation of science and prophecy. He correlated science with Revelation describing earth changes and the coming cataclysm, due to a very large black hole's gravitational force that obliterates most of Earth's inhabitants.

TheHorizonProject.com is his website. If you have streamlink or missed this episode, it's worth checking out

www.coasttocoastam.com...

listen to this. It was absolutely riveting and enlightening.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
let me just state that the book of Revelation needs to be considered in the context of the ancient mind, not the present.

I actually thought that time is just one of God's creations. Can God be considered no contol over time? My point is God, as the creator of everything (includng time) what we call ancient or modern could have no meaning to him. He should be able to see the beginning & the end. He knows the present, past & the future.

So when he does revelation to the prophets, his words can be considered as 'timeless" and may not necessary belong to any of the existing time that we know.

Just my thoughts. I am not really sure.

A friend of mine said something very interesting recently when we were discussing this topic.
Their viewpoint was the reason that the anti-christ has been hard to define is because he may not be a white christian. (Bush, Prince William and others have been put up as potential anti-christs on some sites).
She seems to think that the anti-christ may be a Muslim and the 666 thing could be arabic or from an arabic calender.
What do others think of this?

Globalism in and of itself is not a bad idea until one considers the consequences of it.

Yeah... kinda like socialism, communism, and tequila.

Originally posted by Flighty
A friend of mine said something very interesting recently when we were discussing this topic.
Their viewpoint was the reason that the anti-christ has been hard to define is because he may not be a white christian. (Bush, Prince William and others have been put up as potential anti-christs on some sites).
She seems to think that the anti-christ may be a Muslim and the 666 thing could be arabic or from an arabic calender.
What do others think of this?

back in the heyday (~1976) of the Psychic Jeane Dixon,

she once wrote that a baby born in the middle east in 1962,
who will be descended from the Egyptian Queen Nefertiti,
would grow up to usher in World Peace & be highly regarded-
until he turns out to be the anti-christ

1962-2007 makes this ?Egyptian?Middle-Eastern person 44 years old
(or 45 if they were born in a January date, making them most likely an Aquarian..an interesting astrology sign...)

Originally posted by searching_for_truth

I actually thought that time is just one of God's creations. Can God be considered no contol over time? My point is God, as the creator of everything (includng time) what we call ancient or modern could have no meaning to him. He should be able to see the beginning & the end. He knows the present, past & the future.

Yes, but the visions that he sent to the prophet were interpreted by the prophet,not by God.

Originally posted by searching_for_truth

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
let me just state that the book of Revelation needs to be considered in the context of the ancient mind, not the present.

I actually thought that time is just one of God's creations. Can God be considered no contol over time? My point is God, as the creator of everything (includng time) what we call ancient or modern could have no meaning to him. He should be able to see the beginning & the end. He knows the present, past & the future.

So when he does revelation to the prophets, his words can be considered as 'timeless" and may not necessary belong to any of the existing time that we know.

Just my thoughts. I am not really sure.

That makes a lot of sense... Time, was created by Man actually (to know the time of day or the duration of a "happening or event, eg. in most scientific formulae, if time were to be removed, science would be meaningless). So the "creator of everything" must have no sense of time, for if he created everything, God must've created time, before having any knowledge of time, thus everything God says must be meant in the present, not past or future. Because God (as well as Jesus) is the beginning and the end (I hope everyone follows what I'm saying).

I agree with Searching_for_truth on this one.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by The_unraveller]

Originally posted by St Udio



back in the heyday (~1976) of the Psychic Jeane Dixon,

she once wrote that a baby born in the middle east in 1962,
who will be descended from the Egyptian Queen Nefertiti,
would grow up to usher in World Peace & be highly regarded-
until he turns out to be the anti-christ

1962-2007 makes this ?Egyptian?Middle-Eastern person 44 years old
(or 45 if they were born in a January date, making them most likely an Aquarian..an interesting astrology sign...)

Thats is quite interresting, for some reason I had this number that I remember (and for some reason it feels important, I don't know why), even from childhood... 49 (reminds me of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, the answer to everything is 42 ). Don't ask, why 49? I don't have a clue why. It might be nothing, and it might be something. We'll just have to see. I'm not claiming I'm a propghet or anything.

Thanks for that bit of info St Udio, it;s better to look at many possibilities, than couple of possibilities.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Yes, but the visions that he sent to the prophet were interpreted by the prophet,not by God.

No offense, but then the bible isn't the "Word of God", but the "Word of the prophets/people". Everybody drills each other that its God's word... but its the prophets/people that wrote the bible.

Don't take this post the wrong way.

Originally posted by Flighty
She seems to think that the anti-christ may be a Muslim and the 666 thing could be arabic or from an arabic calender.
What do others think of this?

Good point... I agree, that the anti-christ can't (or possibly can't) be of the same religion. It doesn't make sense when you think of it... If a christian truely believes in God/Christianity, then how can he/she betray God for something less (meaning, choosing hell over heaven).

Ideas anybody?

A friend of mine said something very interesting recently when we were discussing this topic.

Post those ideas, I would like to read them. If you want to though.

That's why I put this thread up... to share ideas.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by The_unraveller]

Originally posted by The_unraveller


That makes a lot of sense...

Time, was created by Man actually (to know the time of day or the duration of a "happening or event, eg. in most scientific formulae, if time were to be removed, science would be meaningless).

So the "creator of everything" must have no sense of time, for if he created everything, God must've created time, before having any knowledge of time, thus everything God says must be meant in the present, not past or future. Because God (as well as Jesus) is the beginning and the end (I hope everyone follows what I'm saying).

before you go too far down that road..............look at Genesis 1:14

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs,
and for seasons, and for days, and years:

this shows that the creator knew about 'time', he in fact gave mankind a starting framework
[the creator started with a; Day, Season, Year ] and later on made the 'Week' an significant span of time in mankinds development


it became mankinds idea to create fractional parts of a Day,
and to divvy up the Year into 12 parts.
and to group Years into decades, etc etc

Before he made light... there was no time. As a matter of fact there was nothing. He can't have a sense of time for he knows everything from the beginning to the end (right?).

Which leads me to thinking, if God knew everything from the beginning to the end... then why did he create everything in the first place, if he knew everything was going to get shot to hell? If he knew what would happen, why let it happen?


[edit on 1-2-2007 by The_unraveller]

Originally posted by The_unraveller


No offense, but then the bible isn't the "Word of God", but the "Word of the prophets/people". Everybody drills each other that its God's word... but its the prophets/people that wrote the bible.

Don't take this post the wrong way.

I don't take it the wrong way at all.. You haven't been here long enough to know my views on a lot of things. I am quite convinced that not only is the bible largely comprised of the prophet's interpretation of his visions, it has been manipulated and twisted in such a manner to suit the purposes of those who have power, in my honest opinion.

The bible is only the "Word of God" in the sense that the visions that were dictated to the prophet were from God...

[edit on 1-2-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
You haven't been here long enough to know my views on a lot of things.

You're right, but the same goes to you.

EveryBody has their own view with questions attached to them.

it has been manipulated and twisted in such a manner to suit the purposes of those who have power, in my honest opinion.

I agree with you on that.

The bible is only the "Word of God" in the sense that the visions that were dictated to the prophet were from God...

These visions the prophets got were as clear as day to them... No-one (even the devoted ones) got visions like them... they get visions... which never happens. I can't understand that... why is it, when something is as cryptic as hell, everyone can relate the so called prophecy to the event (even Nostradamus)? But when someone from the present gets a vision, then it turns ot to be half BS or complete BS.

It sometimes feel that nostradamus and the bible are alike... It bothers me sometimes...

ow well.

The_unraveller, I like your way of analyzing things. We are quite similar in a way.

I just feel that it is so vague when you think or talk about the state before the creation & the creation itself. Before I'll go further with creation. Let's go back to the topic of time. There are actually different ways to analyze time.

According to the scientists, there is a universal time. They also call it Meta time, linear time. Something to do with the beginning of universe.

God’s ways will always be strange to men. I believe so.

There should be a purpose on why God created everything. There is purpose for everything. The creator of everything should have an unlimited access to the universe. That includes life, time etc.

God has rules. It was also mention in the bible (I just forgot which verse) that in your everyday life, to treat strangers with care as you may already be meeting an angel in disguise.

I believe in a variable universe. I don’t believe in fate. If everyone has a certain fate (that one does not have a control with), then this life would be useless & meaningless. I believe that God has a grand plan for us. Since we have free will, our decisions will lead us to a consequence. You will notice that a lot of events in history, wars, death and other man made events started with an idea and then implemented by actions. Leaders make their decisions. And decisions lead to actions. If a President decides to go to a war, what happens next is a cascading chain of events. From a major decisions (from a strategic decision), the people who will implement will take certain actions (tactical) and there you have it. If you are one of the persons who will implement, for example, you’re a soldier, your training, knowledge, your tactical decisions in the battlefield could take you to a certain consequence.

Originally posted by searching_for_truth

God has rules. It was also mention in the bible (I just forgot which verse) that in your everyday life, to treat strangers with care as you may already be meeting an angel in disguise.

Here is the verse in Hebrew 13:2 Do not neglect hospitality, because through it some have entertained angels without knowing it.

My purpose of sharing this verse is for the reference that God has unlimited access to everything. He can send Angels in this world and mix with us without knowing it. Could the angels also be considered timeless like God?

Thanks for the input Searching_for_truth . I can be over-analytical at times. It's better to analyze something properly, then to leave it half-way or not analyze it at all.

It still bothers me... why would God create us, even if he knew the outcome? If he knew 99.9% of his creation is going to hell... Why create it? If it was God's plan... then he's quite sadistic or ironic in a sadistic way.

Where I find the irony is, Satan hates God and hates Man... So Satan gets a sh*tload of people . As they say... Satan loves irony (but I think he's pissed about it ).

As for angels... if they are supernatural (I don't really believe in supernatural beings, only beings with supernatural abilities.), then they should also be timeless like God. Because they are immortal (I also don't believe in immortality, everything dies... something might take so long to die and it might seem like it is immortal.)

This is a portion of my summary concerning Revelations.

The book of Revelations is literal with spiritual symbolic meaning. The antichrist is ruling now and has been ruling. His time is almost up and he is doing everything he can to wipe out the remnant. The beast is the world system which was set up during the time of John the Baptist and is soon to be dissolved. Currently the violent have the rule which is why there is turmoil, chaos, and wars all over the world.

The 7 churches are 7 places within each person (faith, hope, love, charity, belief, righteousness, prayer) that Satan has no dominion. Satan will tempt and try to trick offering power (whatever fleshly thing) one desires to gain control and continue his manipulation. For those whom Satan is able to trick he will allow to have power for a short time and then he will take back the power (whatever he gave) and possess his victim (occupy the mind and cause illness in the body). God’s way of escape is to know the truth. Satan can not claim what belongs to God. Satan can not rewrite what God has written. Satan can not keep a person in hell because God has the keys to the bottomless pit.

The horns will rise in the forehead of one doing battle with the beast (“for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual wickedness in high places”).

The revelation is: that it is man and a craft of man that holds people under delusion. When the veil is rent the truth is revealed.

As for angels... if they are supernatural (I don't really believe in supernatural beings, only beings with supernatural abilities.), then they should also be timeless like God. Because they are immortal (I also don't believe in immortality, everything dies... something might take so long to die and it might seem like it is immortal.)

What if... what you call supernatural were natural, normal, everyday, and you were led to believe that it is not. Currently, everything physical dies but, not everything spiritual.

Get a cut and it heals, get a cold and it goes.

What is "so long to die"? Only God can determine a persons time.