I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

Enough. The personality focus in this thread stops NOW, the TOPIC is what we focus on at ATS.

Hank, get OVER IT or MOVE ON it's pretty obvious your only interest in this thread is to heckle a guy who is sharing his personal story, everybody gets it.

Everyone else who is hammering on Hank needs to STOP as well, this is sleeper's thread and the topic is his blog and the story it contains.

The next posts I see that are off that topic will earn the poster a three day time out from posting.



Springer...

[edit on 2-22-2007 by Springer]

sorry if this has been replied to already,

but according to this blog, this is a prison planet but why are we in prison then? did every human commit a crime since we're here?

I think what we have to keep in mind is Sleeper is sharing just one part of his experiences. My experiences are much different but they do in ways have connections, so I do feel a connection and know where he is coming from.

I will still disagree with Sleeper about Earth being a prison planet however, I do see where he is coming from. Hank has his pangs but he is just trying to make his point and he does have some points.

When dealing with different species things ARE going to happen in different ways, and there are different species dealing with there agendas just as the human race is dealing with there agendas in there way.

It is difficult for any of us who have had experiences to fully explain everything we have had the priviledge to be shown or told but I believe all we are trying to do is share with all of you the things that we have experienced. We aren't asking or saying anyone has to believe and I know myself somethimes things just sound extremely strange but dealing with different species is highly unusual.

For myself Earth is a beautiful planet that we are destroying.

The beings I know have no intention of joining in with us or take us over... they will only confer if we are about to destroy this planet because it is there Laboratory.

Each person taken will get recall when they are to get recall and that is if they are ever to get recall.

The best the human can do is try to heal the planet that they live on. These species want to see us learn to love, respect, have faith and trust in one another and for us to work together to bring this planet and a race of people to where they should be.

There is goodness here on Earth and people are waking I just hope they wake faster.... before it is to late.

I will say this weather Sleeper or any of you agree or disagree:

With over six billion people here on this planet YES each and everyone one of you are special and YES I will even go as far to say "UNIQUE" in your own way. Earth is a Planet that has the capability to heal herself with or without you.

I hope you all go to bed tonight and think about being a better person and making this Planet the Garden of Eden is was supposed to be.

no one need convince me. i can tell you catagorically they do exist. Where shall i begin?... I'm new to all this, but i will explain as time go's on. If only people knew they would sleep with one eye open... that's if their lucky to sleep at all!

Originally posted by happinness
Where shall i begin?...

Welcome to ATS. I'm sure many of us will be interested in anything you'd care to relate. Start a thread and jump in. It's a deep pool with sharks aplenty, but the bites are all virtual.

Thank you for your nice welcome to ATS. I'm not under any illusion's. I know there r lots of crackpots out there, but i'm crtainly not one of them. Wen my confidence grows on here i'll tell you some things that will truely make your hair stand up on end!

Originally posted by happinness
Thank you for your nice welcome to ATS. I'm not under any illusion's. I know there r lots of crackpots out there, but i'm crtainly not one of them. Wen my confidence grows on here i'll tell you some things that will truely make your hair stand up on end!

Welcome happpinness...Wise of you to warm up to the occasion.

When I first stumbled across ATS, and sleepers threads I was struck by his open manner, and the feel of his communication, more than I was by his experiences...I have had my own...for me, his sincerity was never an issue.

I was kind of elated that I had found a place that I could anonymously share, and perhaps receive a few answers. You probably realize how challenging it is to describe detailed events of this nature, in a manner that dosen't sound absolutely over the top to the average 'civilian'...let alone the hard-shell sceptic. It does appear however, that we can sometimes successfully convey the feeling of multidimensional encounters to those with the ears to hear...sleeper happens to excel at this skill.

My first attempts felt clumsy...uncomfortable. Personally, I'm re-examining my motives, and rethinking my approach...and in the interim, thoroughly enjoying reading sleepers responses. Good luck....

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

Hi sleeper,

What question are you most surprised hasn't been asked yet and what is the answer?

What question do you most want the answer to?

Peace
~Prote

[edit on 22/2/07 by Prote]

Originally posted by Rudolph_X
In the blog Milton talks about two warring factions of entities. The 'Miltionian' entities belonging to one faction and the other faction which is hardly ever even mentioned or talked about in his bog or posts, other than when Milton calls them the Enemy.

Well, there are two spiritual factions that have been talked about in other venues, and are described as being: 'Service-To-Self' and 'Service-To-Other'.

1. The 'Service-To-Self Faction' those who primarily help themselves.
2. The 'Service-To-Other Faction' those who primarily help others.

They both have different philosophies regarding spiritual evolution.

Now, Sleeper "claims" that the Miltonian Faction belongs to the Service-To-Other faction. That's what he told me earlier in this thread. But I have come to the realization that Sleeper might not be being truthful about this. Because all evidence seems to indicate the exact opposite!
..

Now you hit something interesting.

My understanding is that there is lot of manipultaion and wrong play comeing from especially one faction in that the 'greys' have a part in. And interesting enough this is also the faction that makes claims like 'that they are service to others' and very obvious for them that looks from outside, fail to act acording to their own doctrine. Also very interesting is that this faction has more a technical sight of the universe and it will be this side that will tell you that all is more or less technical and they are the creators/masters if it comes to us.

The other faction I never heard to claim that they are 'service to others' but interesting they much more often act in this way. Their view is that the spiritual development must keep up with the technical. According to them we are not in the balance and the technical push without the spiritual devlopement leads to extinction observated by them enough times. This is the faction that sees us heading that bad way. This is also the faction that seems to know about the source of all and does not violate free will. And unfortunatly this is also the faction that keeps their interaction with us low and hidden.

This is a little spoken from my 'understanding' of the alien 'factions' whereas we still not even can be sure if this extraterestrial exist at all. lol

Note that I do not label any of this faction as demons or demonic and I think you should not try to press sleepers story into a demonic category.
I believe we know much too less to put such a label to anyone.

Also milton is not demonic in my eyes, but manipulative which certainly is not good and should make one sceptical. But manipulation does not qualifies as demonic per se.

However I still have my doubts that sleepers story is truth or real anyway.


[edit on 22-2-2007 by g210b]

Its similar to what the Roman Catholic Church (and most other religions) used to do. There was zero level tolerance to any other belief or opinion.

They would brand anyone who did not completely agree with their theology (philosophical view) as being a 'godless heretic', 'in league with the Devil', and if you were caught in their domain, then you would be brutally tortured and burned to death at the stake. A plain and simple way to maintain complete control over the flock. There was no middle ground for them. Either you were with them or you were burned. Even if you were of a different religion and had a different kind of 'faith' in god, you were still classified as 'godless'. "You don't believe in God!" is what they'd scream, before they'd burn you alive.

Sleeper's position on this thread is similar in its totalitarian nature. There is no room for compromise in Sleeper's view point. Sleeper's dictates are absolute! Sleeper says, "Its either my way or the highway!" So there are no arguments, of any kind, to be made on this thread with Sleeper. You simply must agree with him in everything he says, or you are out. Scientific proofs or verifiable evidence mean nothing to him. "This is my story," Sleeper says, "take it or leave it."

You agree that's hard for some folks to accept. I mean, what is the point of other folks making posts here? Sleeper says he started this thread so that folks could discuss his blog and posts, but there is no real discussion or debate going on here with Sleeper. As he says, he 'spoon feeds you' his 'stories' and you must swallow them down, a tiny spoonful at a time, like a baby in a feeding chair. That's it.

So its for the other posters to discuss and debate issues among themselves, because with other posters there can be a little give and take, whereas with Sleeper there is none. None whatsoever.

There is no debate or discussion going on here with Sleeper.

You simply ask a question and Sleeper pontificates.

Thanks again.


[edit on 2/22/2007 by Rudolph_X]


admin edit: I meant what I said about "Personality Focus" being prohibited because it is NOT "ATS Level" work... The post above is a classic example of a "personality" rather than TOPICAL focused post and has earned the author "Rudolph_X" a 3 day post ban.

If all you want to do is talk about how "sleeper" is or is not telling the truth, answering questions to your satisfaction, etc... MOVE ON. If you want to participate in a FRIENDLY conversation about the TOPIC, PLEASE post away!
Springer...


[edit on 2-22-2007 by Springer]

Originally posted by Shades1035
sorry if this has been replied to already,

but according to this blog, this is a prison planet but why are we in prison then? did every human commit a crime since we're here?

The definition of prison in the case of earth is that few can up and leave and go to other populated planets on their own or at will. Most humans are confined here for a certain amount of time---and once that time is up they can leave---some will travel from this planet in alien ships to other parts of the solar system or other star systems in this galaxy.

Many are here on assignment, some are here on a kind of vacation, yet they may not know it other than their lives run smoothly.

Some are here for things they have done in previous existences on this planet or other planets. No one is here by mistake; everyone is here for a reason---and knowing that reason is not important, and most will not know

Originally posted by Prote
Hi sleeper,

What question are you most surprised hasn't been asked yet and what is the answer?

Hello Prote,

There is no such question because there are infinity questions and some even have answers, but the question should precede the answer, otherwise we get eggs laying chickens---

What question do you most want the answer to?

Why do any of us merit being born into this magical universe?

Hey Sleeper,
You spoke a little about mental quirks and flaws like schizophrenia. Do you think that when we leave our skin suits behind, that we leave those disorders as well, or are there anomalies that go deeper than our basic chemistry. I am concerned about that I will have turmoil forever, and hope that if I am recycled into another suit, that it won't be as disfunctional as this one. ANy further thoughts or advice on the mentals? Or any way to transcend it? It seems that if the ETs are so advanced, they may have overcome our disorders. Maybe they haven't and their home planet has folks like us, with doubts, worries, depression, and worse disorders. Maybe the ones that come here are the ones that have their stuff together. Any ideas?

Originally posted by TheMayor
Hey Sleeper,
You spoke a little about mental quirks and flaws like schizophrenia. Do you think that when we leave our skin suits behind, that we leave those disorders as well, or are there anomalies that go deeper than our basic chemistry.

When we leave the monkey suits behind---lol----we leave the flaws associated with that suit behind also---our bodies are vehicles and remain separate from us---our souls---when a car has mechanical problems those problems don’t transfer to the owner---the owner can get the car repaired or get a new one.

I am concerned about that I will have turmoil forever, and hope that if I am recycled into another suit, that it won't be as disfunctional as this one.

You need not be in turmoil even if stuck in a turmoil ridden body---because it is the body that is defective not you

Mental illness or mentally altered as Springer alluded to in his post is not by chance or accident---it’s a designed flaw or modification---humans can cause this to happen to them by drug use---abuse of liquor, diet, mental anguish, or are put into a body at birth customized for that purpose. There are no accidents unless a person was intentionally careless and caused the accident---otherwise mental illness from accidents are part of the contract or addendums to the original contract.

But so called mental illness is an advanced challenge that must me met for those who have to deal with it.

Or any way to transcend it?

I know I’m going to get into trouble with the head doctors with this post but what the heck

Some mental illness can be transcended simply via mind over matter---the brain is matter and all matter is subject to the mind---soul---for those who wish to harness that power---they can.

It seems that if the ETs are so advanced, they may have overcome our disorders.

ETs on Milton’s level are pure mind---and no matter---lol---they don’t have any ailments

Maybe they haven't and their home planet has folks like us, with doubts, worries, depression, and worse disorders. Maybe the ones that come here are the ones that have their stuff together. Any ideas?

There are millions of planets just like earth with similar flaws and problems---but the vast majority of planets in our galaxy are utopia planets and all the people on them live beautiful lives. And many from this planet will move to one of the utopia planets after their successful completion of this tour of duty here on earth.

Originally posted by sleeper
Many are here on assignment, some are here on a kind of vacation, yet they may not know it other than their lives run smoothly.

Some are here for things they have done in previous existences on this planet or other planets. No one is here by mistake; everyone is here for a reason---and knowing that reason is not important, and most will not know

So if the 'soul', 'consciousness', 'id', whatever....is recycled back into a completely new existence, with utterly no recollection of the previous incarnation....Isn't that simply a different person, with all of life's experience to learn all over again? Actually, 'all over again' isn't correct either...if there is no awareness of living it 'all over again', it can't be anything but completely new learning. Again, describing what is essentially a different person.

So if a soul makes several incarnations, never quite reaching that 'utopic' planet you describe, it is clearly not learning. Furthermore, the soul in your interpretation appears to be little more than 'random access memory'; working perfectly as long as some power is constantly applied, but wiped totally clean as soon as its corporeal shell ceases functioning.

Clearly the "ET" you claim to communicate with are purely "service to self". There must be some selfish reason why humanity couldn't simply be told how to achieve a state of utopia. At least Siddhartha Gautama, having achieved what he experienced as "nirvana", taught others how to seek that goal.

Huh, an earthly being exhibiting more altruism than "ET".

I think you're being misled.



[edit on 23-2-2007 by MrPenny]

Originally posted by MrPenny
So if the 'soul', 'consciousness', 'id', whatever....is recycled back into a completely new existence, with utterly no recollection of the previous incarnation....Isn't that simply a different person, with all of life's experience to learn all over again?

No, you are you know matter where they put you

Some info from past lives remains in your subconscious mind the rest is in your hall locker

Actually, 'all over again' isn't correct either...if there is no awareness of living it 'all over again', it can't be anything but completely new learning. Again, describing what is essentially a different person.

It’s certainly new but you are the same---humans experience new all the time---a vacation in China is a very new experience for those that never been to China---but we remain the same soul with each new adventure only adding a new facet to what we are.

So if a soul makes several incarnations, never quite reaching that 'utopic' planet you describe, it is clearly not learning.

It’s learning at a slower pace----eventually it, the soul, will get to a point where it becomes fed up and gets with the program, or sloughs off into oblivion---everyone gets clued in, and given ample opportunities to grasp the big picture---but everyone is also free to ignore those clues---no one is dragged kicking and screaming to a utopia planet.

Furthermore, the soul in your interpretation appears to be little more than 'random access memory'; working perfectly as long as some power is constantly applied, but wiped totally clean as soon as its corporeal shell ceases functioning.

For far too many people that is true, they refuse for one reason or other to smell the roses, or look up at the night sky and be awed by it---they are zombies, robots, lost in the fog of this life.

But they will wake up once they die and realize that they were the creators of their own stupor here on earth, and wasted precious time---at that point they will know---and will wish they didn’t---and perhaps beg that the memories they created be washed away---the only way to suspend those memories is to come back and try again.

Clearly the "ET" you claim to communicate with are purely "service to self".

We need to blame external forces for our problems---like the devil, or Hitler, or Bush, or Clinton---or ET. We often project on others the hate and incompetence we have in our own souls---Hitler was the face of a nation gone mad---those millions of booths marching across Europe were not done by one man---yet most only blame one man.

There must be some selfish reason why humanity couldn't simply be told how to achieve a state of utopia.

This is not a utopia planet---although it was millions of years ago---and may be again, but not for awhile

At least Siddhartha Gautama, having achieved what he experienced as "nirvana", taught others how to seek that goal.

He was one of those pesky ETs---lol

Huh, an earthly being exhibiting more altruism than "ET".

Buddha was not an earthly being

...I'm new to posting here but not to reading. Being at a message board and not posting is like having an itch you can't scratch. So.
This is a place, this beautiful earth, where we act upon what we know from other places. If so-called learning from other lifetimes were something we could just think about without applying it, it would be like having your life story with pictures in a coffeetable book - sitting there, unopened - and nothing in your present experience would lead you to open it up. There would be no obvious need, since you're so occupied working on the Next Edition.
No analogy is perfect.
And some things change. Keep a dream journal, and you'll find that the dreams from years ago read like they were had by somebody else, but...there's always a vague recall / being there with it.
Maybe past lives are like this, and maybe the guidance one gets from unseen quarters actually are our former selves talking to us from their independent existances. Or spirit guides. Or ET.
That has been suggested before. Good going, sleeper.
Meanwhile, if anybody is interested, there's a link about the origin of the term daimon (demon?) here:

www.alchemylab.com...

Originally posted by MrPenny

Clearly the "ET" you claim to communicate with are purely "service to self". There must be some selfish reason why humanity couldn't simply be told how to achieve a state of utopia. At least Siddhartha Gautama, having achieved what he experienced as "nirvana", taught others how to seek that goal.

Huh, an earthly being exhibiting more altruism than "ET".

I think you're being misled.

[edit on 23-2-2007 by MrPenny]

I believe we have been told.

The Buddha experienced a transformation in consciousness. He then expressed his experience to others, bound by the limits of language and human conception. Going forward, many have taken the path...but how many Buddha's since Gautama ? How many have truly experienced the transformation expressed by Jesus and others? Some I'm sure, and many others benefit from simply attempting...but certainly no one did the work for them. Why should I expect more from the Milton's of the universe ?

By way of trite metaphor...it's an utmost expression of love for a father to allow his children the respect to learn from mistakes, and on their own timetable...regardless of how difficult it may be to watch.

I believe we are punished by our shortcomings in the here & now...as opposed to for them in an afterlife....the next incarnation being simply an opportunity to address those negative aspects of 'self'.


My question for sleeper: Regarding mental illness, in you opinion sleeper, are those severely afflicted held to the same level of accountability as the rest? Does the law I expressed above apply to those with faulty wiring? Thanks...

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

Edit: Forgot to say thanks

[edit on 23-2-2007 by OBE1]

Sleeper...can a soul go "back" I mean like going to the dark side and even tough it had advanced, have a quite "demonic" life here on earth and have its "stripes" removed?

Also If the earth is a prision of some sort, dont you think its an overcrowded one? I mean 6.5 billion souls here are WAY TOO MUCH...

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Prote
Hi sleeper,
What question are you most surprised hasn't been asked yet and what is the answer?

Hello Prote,
There is no such question because there are infinity questions and some even have answers, but the question should precede the answer, otherwise we get eggs laying chickens---

lol.. you cheater.. ok, which came first, the chicken or the egg? I say chicken.. what say you?

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Prote
What question do you most want the answer to?

Why do any of us merit being born into this magical universe?

Thanks for answering... I have another question...

Why do any of us merit being born into this magical universe?