I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

Hello HankMcCoy.

Thanks for your comments.

You might have better luck addressing you comments to the general population, instead of directing them only to Sleeper?

Maybe because of the forceful appearance of you Avatar, the tone of your comments seem to always sound too loud like they are being shouted by a Hulk Hogan type drill-sargent, a little bit too strong, overbearing and aggressive.

I'm not arguing about the content of your statements, just the tone...

Maybe your comments would come off better if you made them like you were softly wispering into someone's ear (like the aliens do)?

Thanks again.

[edit on 2/21/2007 by Rudolph_X]

Originally posted by thugluv
I have to disagree with you sleeper to an extent. Men can be evil, but sometimes, something worse comes along. Those things are called demons. They are real and more than one can possess person.

I also have to disagree with you about the Bible being mostly parables. That's not so. The Bible is a history book. They really did sacrifice cattle and livestock, the had many wars and battles, and they really did kill people in those battles. To disregard the Bible as a true history book you would have to through away all history books. Because there are many books, artifacts, and science to prove everything in the Bible really happened and its prophesies are being fullfulled.

So Thug - - is the Book of Mormon a history book too?

Just curious if you've read it. I have a problem with those who hold the Bible in high esteem - but refuse to accept any other writings.

I do not disregard there is history in the bible as the bible was written by man - - and man does write about what is around him - even if he also includes parables to teach.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy
Devilish?

Aren't my motives programmed by your aliens for just that purpose? Are you questioning the bigger plan? Milton's bunch programmed me to stand against you, right? SO why the connotation that I am in the wrong for doing it?

Where the hell did he even say they 'programmed' our every motive? I think any blind fool can tell your just completely mixing the story to suit your little debunk vendetta. Pathetic. We decide, with every action we take, whether we will be reborn to do the assignment again, or finnish it and 'move up' into a more evolved consciounsness. The only "control" the higher beings have over us during our assignments, is to perhaps maintain it. Make sure it's still in 'working order', so to speak.

Why don't you go back and read each page again, as it seems you really missed/ignored almost all his replies. Do you have reading problems perhaps?

Originally posted by Annee
So Thug - - is the Book of Mormon a history book too?

Just curious if you've read it. I have a problem with those who hold the Bible in high esteem - but refuse to accept any other writings.

I do not disregard there is history in the bible as the bible was written by man - - and man does write about what is around him - even if he also includes parables to teach.

Good point Annee, I was about to ask the same thing to him about the Bhagavad Gita. But of course not, because that would completely contradict 80% of history inwhich the bible "preaches".

Originally posted by Navieko

Originally posted by Annee
So Thug - - is the Book of Mormon a history book too?

Just curious if you've read it. I have a problem with those who hold the Bible in high esteem - but refuse to accept any other writings.

I do not disregard there is history in the bible as the bible was written by man - - and man does write about what is around him - even if he also includes parables to teach.

Good point Annee, I was about to ask the same thing to him about the Bhagavad Gita. But of course not, because that would completely contradict 80% of history inwhich the bible "preaches".

Navieko - - its kind of like "History is the word of the Victor".

I don't discount references to cities - landmarks - etc. But when you start trying to explain events and claim you know what people thought hundreds - thousands of years ago - - that's impossible.

Can you even imagine a thousand years from now - - any one (or four) person(s) trying to describe the world and thoughts of people today? We can't even do that in our own time.

Originally posted by thugluv
I have to disagree with you sleeper to an extent. Men can be evil, but sometimes, something worse comes along. Those things are called demons. They are real and more than one can possess person.

All demons on earth are human, in the old days they created scapegoats to carry sins away from the village.

Some of us can’t believe we posses evil thoughts and possibilities so we like the adage “the devil made me do it”----amazing how many people believe that lie to themselves.

No external spirit can possess anyone, not possible, human brains have only one seat---and cannot hold more than one entity at a time---there is a formula that proves it but I can’t think of it at the moment---lol

I also have to disagree with you about the Bible being mostly parables. That's not so. The Bible is a history book. They really did sacrifice cattle and livestock, the had many wars and battles, and they really did kill people in those battles.

True there is human historical significance in the bible to a certain extent---but the bigger part of it is allegorical

To disregard the Bible as a true history book you would have to through away all history books.

Many history books are misleading because most of the real history books were destroyed by people that didn’t want the truth out there---so the real story will never be known

Because there are many books, artifacts, and science to prove everything in the Bible really happened and its prophesies are being fullfulled.

Prophesy is self-fulfilling---if enough people believe something they can make it happen as did the Jewish people under Roman rule.

The Jews of Jesus time believed a Messiah would destroy their enemies and put them at the top of the heap, all they needed to do was incite Rome and their God would save them and destroy Rome---they incited Rome and Rome nearly annihilated the whole Jewish nation---so much so that it took the Jewish people two thousand years to regroup.

Some Christians and Jewish people believe they need to nudge prophesy along as well, and are eager for Armageddon to trigger the Rapture---same thing the Jews did with Rome.

If we don’t learn from past mistakes we get to repeat them---how’s that for a prophesy

Originally posted by Rudolph_X
Hello HankMcCoy.

Thanks for your comments.

You might have better luck addressing you comments to the general population, instead of directing them only to Sleeper?

Maybe because of the forceful appearance of you Avatar, the tone of your comments seem to always sound too loud like they are being shouted by a Hulk Hogan type drill-sargent, a little bit too strong, overbearing and aggressive.

I'm not arguing about the content of your statements, just the tone...

Maybe your comments would come off better if you made them like you were softly wispering into someone's ear (like the aliens do)?

Thanks again.

[edit on 2/21/2007 by Rudolph_X]

I think sometimes when Hank wakes up in the morning and looks in the mirror, he hates what's looking back at him; especially when he's got blueberries stuck in his teeth.
When it's like that he takes it out on everybody else including people in this forum. Really wish he'd quit eating those blueberries ya know?

This thread (with a few noted exceptions - noted by my Partner's "warns") is an enchanting read, it seems to bring the best of theoretical metaphysics together with some VERY intriguing concepts of reality itself.

I have always (long as I can remember anyways) wondered how we can be so certain of reality as it's sold to us in this life. There are many well documented cases of schizophrenia that completely destroy the "concrete thinking" that reality is what the majority believe it to be simply because they outnumber the minority.

Additionally I have considered the possibility that "super natural" powers (read that as you choose, alien, angelic, demonic, alter dimensional, whatever...) may manifest themselves ONLY in the "unique" mind. I replace the words "mentally ill" with "unique mind" on purpose. Who are we to say that the "reality" John Forbes Nash LIVES is "ill" or wrong? It most definitely is DIFFERENT but what if it's part of his "reality" or his "task" that he has to learn to master these distractions? He certainly has accomplished that and he is certainly a BRILLIANT MAN with a "Beautiful Mind" so where does that leave us?

Springer...

[edit on 2-21-2007 by Springer]

Originally posted by Springer
...so where does that leave us?

Springer...

Hello Springer.

Thanks for your comment.

The most beautiful emotion we can exerience is the mystical. It is the power of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I belong to the rank of devoutly religious men. - Albert Einstein

So here we are in rapt awe and wonder standing at the mysterious threshold of this great impenetrable unknown reality which forever is beaconing us to move ever-onward, ever-forward and upward on ethereal gossamer wings to the heady and most marvelous of mystical heights where we can once again uncover, beholding with our own bleary eyes, the hidden treasure of Sleeper's next illuminating post.

Thanks again.


[edit on 2/21/2007 by Rudolph_X]

Hello sleeper, and thank you for this thread.

I will say that I am skeptical of this thread. I've been following this discussion since day 1 and I've taken it in like science-fiction: food for thought, interesting, but mostly just something for my brain to play with till I put it down.

I do have a couple questions for you, if you don't mind.

Over the past few months I've been deep into philosophy, for school and for personal enlightenment. If you are familiar with Nietzsche, you are familiar with his ideas about nihilism. Basically that humanity is currently dealing with its onset and that we will have to "come out the other end of it". Has Milton's society or any that he is familiar with been through a "nihilistic" period? Is it truly possible to find deeper meaning in life in this way? Also I would appreciate any other comments you might have about philosophy.

[edit on 21/2/2007 by Gunney]

Originally posted by Gunney
Over the past few months I've been deep into philosophy, for school and for personal enlightenment. If you are familiar with Nietzsche, you are familiar with his ideas about nihilism. Basically that humanity is currently dealing with its onset and that we will have to "come out the other end of it".

There is some truth to that because many people do believe this life is futile and meaningless.

But the fact is this life is anything but nihilistic, every second in everyone’s life will be accounted for and will be the measure of where to from here for each one of us.

Has Milton's society or any that he is familiar with been through a "nihilistic" period?

There is no such thing as nihilism on earth let alone higher up

Although it is useful for the blind test thingy it’s also the skeptics’ mantra, where anything of value must ooze proof---lol

Is it truly possible to find deeper meaning in life in this way?

Yes for humans on this level, because most thinking people of any worth would dismiss such concepts as absurd

Also I would appreciate any other comments you might have about philosophy.

Philosophy is the pacifier for the intellectual---but also a repository of wisdom

Relax...it all boils and is rendered down as our own personal conditioned past ego memories--the old "am I right your wrong stuff."

Our Earth world really seems to be a stage....we are the actors creating the words, music, dance or we follow the leftover myopic, selfish distorted human stories/myths we were told to believe and without effort repeat in our chattering little brains over and over.

THAT's ENTERTAINMENT!

OR, hey, just blame, fight, and attack the other person--feels real good!

Sleeper is clear.

Who is/was right or wrong, bad or good, makes no difference, we signed up here to learn/experience duality--hidden and hard to understand. That is a prison and damned hard to see. I suspect ET is there to make sure we stay on our personal growth plan--like it or not.

I hate it! Gradually, I am accepting it though.

As obtuse as Sleeper's responses can be, I feel he is acknowledging our pain while signaling different dimensions--if you want, desire, choose to see them. No happy faces/ affirmations but maybe and opening or breakthrough.

Seeing all of the addages, take the good with the bad, being right or being happy, prisoner of conditioned childhood, religious experiences or freedom, graduate or flunk out and do summer school, ie. repeat it until you get it right.

Sleepers posts stunned me. He shut me up. I got still and listened. All of our questions and arguments to him are essentially the same...
What the F--k is going on here?.

Thanks Sleeper.

Question:

Is ET totally altruistic, and if so, is his/her job description/ purpose to work toward the next higher rank for humans or for themselves-- and doesn't that sound selfish?

Is there competition within and between ET--and that perplexes me.

Originally posted by Springer
This thread (with a few noted exceptions - noted by my Partner's "warns") is an enchanting read, it seems to bring the best of theoretical metaphysics together with some VERY intriguing concepts of reality itself.

I have always (long as I can remember anyways) wondered how we can be so certain of reality as it's sold to us in this life. There are many well documented cases of schizophrenia that completely destroy the "concrete thinking" that reality is what the majority believe it to be simply because they outnumber the minority.

Additionally I have considered the possibility that "super natural" powers (read that as you choose, alien, angelic, demonic, alter dimensional, whatever...) may manifest themselves ONLY in the "unique" mind. I replace the words "mentally ill" with "unique mind" on purpose. Who are we to say that the "reality" John Forbes Nash LIVES is "ill" or wrong? It most definitely is DIFFERENT but what if it's part of his "reality" or his "task" that he has to learn to master these distractions? He certainly has accomplished that and he is certainly a BRILLIANT MAN with a "Beautiful Mind" so where does that leave us?

Springer...

[edit on 2-21-2007 by Springer]

Nice contribution

I'm reminded of the Masts of India, and the Middle East...and the life of Meher Baba. He loved these individuals deeply, often taking time to bath, and care for them on an intensely personal level. In most cultures the 'God Intoxicated' receive a serious diagnosis, and are dealt with accordingly...Baba held them in a very high regard. /yajwxz

How many of us didn't have at least one 'Maqdum Ali Shah' roaming around our home town:

"An old man, perhaps 80 years of age, of short stature, who wears a many colored robe, carries a pair of large iron tongs, and shouts "Ya Hussein" every now and then. He lives in a little room beyond the jail, in which he has collected an assortment of odds and ends, and has several puppies with him. He has a fair and lustrous face. He is an advanced pilgrim."-- Masts in Hyderabad and Secunderabad

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

Jai Baba!

In the blog Milton talks about two warring factions of entities. The 'Miltionian' entities belonging to one faction and the other faction which is hardly ever even mentioned or talked about in his bog or posts, other than when Milton calls them the Enemy.

Well, there are two spiritual factions that have been talked about in other venues, and are described as being: 'Service-To-Self' and 'Service-To-Other'.

1. The 'Service-To-Self Faction' those who primarily help themselves.
2. The 'Service-To-Other Faction' those who primarily help others.

They both have different philosophies regarding spiritual evolution.

Now, Sleeper "claims" that the Miltonian Faction belongs to the Service-To-Other faction. That's what he told me earlier in this thread. But I have come to the realization that Sleeper might not be being truthful about this. Because all evidence seems to indicate the exact opposite! The Miltonians are not Service-To-Other they are Service-To-Self. (Consider all that Sleeper has said, then look into your hearts, and you'll probably know this to be true.)

Why doesn't Sleeper tell us of the difference between the two factions of entities vying for dominion over our very souls?

And should such an important aspect of this discussion be glossed over by Sleeper with two or three words and a joke, like he does all to often with his trite and jocular comments?

Is Sleeper on a recruitment campaign for the 'evil' aliens, garnering souls for self-serving alien hordes who care little or nothing about suffering humanity?

Does he simply expect us to accept the Miltonian faction, as being Servie-To-Other, without ever even telling us about the difference between them and the other faction?

Anyone overly concerned with their own personal advancement to 'higher' levels of being, like the Miltonians and Sleeper keep talking about, are certainly Service-To-Self. They care only about themselves and not the less fortunate ones, who they so easily leave behind.

Service-To-Other is more concerned primarily with the advancement of others, like the Captain on a shipwreck who stays on board untill all the others are safely taken care of before he would ever think of abandoning ship, and goes down with his ship before ever thinkng of abandoning his crew or passengers. That's what I would call the Service-To-Other mentality. Others come first.

In this sense, the 'Miltonian' philosophy is to save yourself. (Which is the exact opposite of the real John Milton's philosophy, which is described in his "Paradise Lost" and "Paradise Regained" epics, and his other works.) As Sleeper's signature seems to say, save yourself and don't worry about saving the world. That is obviously a Service-To-Self mentality.

Sleeper might be on a mission from the aliens from the wrong faction, so far as I am concerned? I believe we should first push everyone else up the ladder before we ascend it ourselves. Sleeper believes it is every man for himself. Climb up to the top of the heap without a care of how many others you trample on.

You tell me, why else would Sleeper avoid telling us about the philosophical differences of the other faction of these so-called alien entities?

And consider this, even John Lear, who posts here regularly, in his material, told explicitly how our government deeply regreted ever having made a deal with this self-serving faction of alien entities (the unholy pact that allowed that faction of aliens to have 'legal' dominion over us). Our government deeply regreted their mistake, only after having realized how badly they were decieved.

Thanks again.


[edit on 2/22/2007 by Rudolph_X]

Hi sleeper,

unfortunately I haven't read the whole thread and 2000 posts is hard to get through! So I apologize if my questions have previously been answered:

1) Despite ET's intelligence do they have problems with thinking in relation to society? (i.e. flawed concepts and policies.)

2) Do you know of ET's understanding in relation to how universal dimensions were intitiated? And possibly who/what was responsible?

3) You mentioned ET's have tasks to do concerning Earth, are you aware of any galactic and/or interstellar consortium(s) that relate to Earth?

4) Springer taked about mental illness and different reality experience, I have have schizophrenia and have been affected in terms that my process of thought alot faster, perception has increased although retaining information and organizing thoughts are difficult plus viewing and interacting with the world is very different to what it was before I was sick (it feels distorted to all my senses). So I am interested to what your/ET's views/knowledge concerning mental illness and reality.

Appreciate a response.



[edit on 22-2-2007 by Selmer2]

Originally posted by Springer
Additionally I have considered the possibility that "super natural" powers (read that as you choose, alien, angelic, demonic, alter dimensional, whatever...) may manifest themselves ONLY in the "unique" mind. I replace the words "mentally ill" with "unique mind" on purpose. Who are we to say that the "reality" John Forbes Nash LIVES is "ill" or wrong? It most definitely is DIFFERENT but what if it's part of his "reality" or his "task" that he has to learn to master these distractions? He certainly has accomplished that and he is certainly a BRILLIANT MAN with a "Beautiful Mind" so where does that leave us?

Springer...

Hi Springer,

“So where does that leave us?” Why not wherever we happen to be? The realities of others unlike ourselves as you eloquently put it doesn’t really change how we live our lives because as you know perceptions will always be slanted by the perceiver’s point of reference---you may have changed your perceptions of the “so called” mentally ill but the rest of the world may or may not ever catch up to your new perceptions.

That’s the great thing about individuality we all advance or decline at our own rate regardless of what the rest of the world is doing or perceiving.

If selfishness comes into the equation via perception by others such as Rudolph---lol, that too is a burden which ultimately determines whether one advances to higher planets or declines to lower planes of understanding and existence.

My .02

Originally posted by muse801
Is ET totally altruistic, and if so, is his/her job description/ purpose to work toward the next higher rank for humans or for themselves-- and doesn't that sound selfish?

Hello muse,

Thanks for your comments!

ETs the ones that count, those with the real power over planets such as earth are 100 percent altruistic---our advancement or lack there of has nothing to do with their upward mobility.

In fact any selfish tendency or any other fault, keeps people attached to the ball and chain---our human bodies, for as long as it takes before we become free agents and sprout wings

Is there competition within and between ET--and that perplexes me.

There is a strange soup of lower level ETs but they are not the ones calling the shots---they have no real or imagined power. And there is no competition between them and the ones in charge.

Rudolph_X,

You are so close to the truth. The alien that sleeper is in league with is actually a demon. It's interesting that sleeper chose a title for one of his books "In League with a Ufo" which only changes a couple of words in a phrase often used to describe evil activity -- "in league with the devil". That should be a hint.

Sometimes you need to read between the lines. What is really being described in this blog is a part of the war between good and evil for men's souls. The enemy, perceived from the demonic alien's point of view, is the Holy One, Jesus Christ, and His angels. But don't expect any demon to admit this, especially when they know how easy it is to exploit the prejudice that some people have against Christ and Christianity.

The demons are confident that they can convince such people of almost anything else. So, the demons/aliens make up a story describing their battle against the Heavenly Host as a battle between good and bad aliens and, of course, they try to portray themselves as the good ones, but they give themselves away by speaking out of both sides of their mouths and by their wickedness.

Originally posted by Selmer2

1) Despite ET's intelligence do they have problems with thinking in relation to society? (i.e. flawed concepts and policies.)

Flawed ETs have no power here on earth over souls---the ETs overseeing earth have societies’ best interest in mind---but this is a very complex prison system, with many levels to oversee or let be.

2) Do you know of ET's understanding in relation to how universal dimensions were intitiated? And possibly who/what was responsible?

Dimensions existed even before the universe, and the universe has always existed---a paradox beyond human comprehension

3) You mentioned ET's have tasks to do concerning Earth, are you aware of any galactic and/or interstellar consortium(s) that relate to Earth?

Dimensional beings run things a tad differently than what we call consortiums and federations---the galaxy is not really divided up in sectors, but more so on levels of enlightenment---if that makes any sense.

4) Springer taked about mental illness and different reality experience, I have have schizophrenia and have been affected in terms that my process of thought alot faster, perception has increased although retaining information and organizing thoughts are difficult plus viewing and interacting with the world is very different to what it was before I was sick (it feels distorted to all my senses). So I am interested to what your/ET's views/knowledge concerning mental illness and reality.

Mental illness as we humans perceive it, is a chemical imbalance, injury or disease to the brain

The schizophrenic brain is like a television with a bad circuit or is out of focus compared to other brains---but Springer makes a great and valid point---some brains operate on higher or lower levels of reality than the so called normal brain.

The old saying that there is a fine line between genius and madness is true---because the genius is often at a level that those around them don’t comprehend---and they appear eccentric or whacko to us normal people---notice how I include myself with the normal people---lol

Regardless of what speed your brain is running at, you---your soul---remains completely intact and normal---brain malfunctions or whatever one wishes to call them are temporary quirks that can end during this life but if not they end at the exit door to the next life

Where the hell did he even say they 'programmed' our every motive? I think any blind fool can tell your just completely mixing the story to suit your little debunk vendetta. Pathetic. We decide, with every action we take, whether we will be reborn to do the assignment again, or finnish it and 'move up' into a more evolved consciounsness. The only "control" the higher beings have over us during our assignments, is to perhaps maintain it. Make sure it's still in 'working order', so to speak.

Why don't you go back and read each page again, as it seems you really missed/ignored almost all his replies. Do you have reading problems perhaps?

sleeper

You do have a purpose and that purpose is to keep as many people in the Dark Ages as possible---and that is a legitimate purpose---there are millions of people in this world with the same job as you have because a lot of people are not ready and they need sheep dogs like you to keep them from straying away from the flock.

People are able to connect the dots in this thread fairly nicely but feign ignorance when people connect the dots in ways that don't add up to the whole they want them to.

It is fairly clear here that my 'purpose' on earth is to be a sheepdog for the aliens that want to keep people like sleeper from ruining the test. Sleeper has said so himself, so why is sleeper being lauded for his role in the affairs with the aliens and I am being demonized for doing MY job with them? sleeper most of all for likening me to a sheepdog and the devil.

If my ways are devilish, and the ones that gave me my 'job' are aliens.. maybe there is some truth to them being devils after all?