I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

Originally posted by elgaz
When you say that Sleeper 'changes' people, I have to strongly disagree. If that was the case, then every single piece of information I hear would change me. All the cult leaders, all the preachers, all the religions in the world ............. everything that is made public would change me, and I know that's not the case as I choose to ignore/contest a lot of that information that reaches me.

Spot on, Gaz. Well put.
All of us make choices all the time - whether to believe or to disbelieve what we read here, whether to be offended or not, whether to be flattered or not, whether to surrender our belief systems and adopt others, etc. Merely because many of us are on autopilot most of the time due to our conditioning does not remove our individual responsibility for the free choices we continually make.

I have only just joined ATS after listening to John Lear on Coast to Coast. I came here to get the Copernicus pictures and to check out Sleeper (whom John highly recommended as definitely worth a look). John Lear, you were right - I am in the process of being amazed by what I am reading from Sleeper. I am keeping an open mind and just letting the information flow.

Thanks to all responsible for having this information source available

Cheers

Johnboy1

Originally posted by sleeper
The sun is definitely in a mood---from all the hormones that were added to it in the past few months. ----Oh yes they do thinker with the sun.

There is a purpose for every situation they put us through---for those up for the challenge, and for those who aren't.

Sleeper, what are they doing to our sun and why?

I´m a bit confused, if the earth overnight changed radically i would still wake up and be the same person in the same prisoncell with the same set of challenges for my soul. I assume if asking Milton...."is anything big going down regarding disclosure/2012 etc etc etc" he would say, "no, you still got your set of stuff to learn, regardless".

However, from a day to day perspective the bar would be raised because new stuff added is, well, more stuff to deal with and so forth it adds to the challenge/lesson to learn/dealings with daily routines.

So, sleeper, any indication that the bar is raised and new stuff is added to the playpen?

The reason this question keeps popping up is of course because you seems to recieve updated information on a regular basis and so forth the picture is under constant change...

Originally posted by MrPenny

Originally posted by elgaz
I am a deep thinker,

I am so amused by pseudo-intellectual posers. How about, if I asked you.....who measured the depth of your thinking? By what metric has your thinking been scrutinized and determined to be "deep"? Hmmmm? By how high the BS can be stacked?

Why the aggressive overtones? Because I don't agree with you? There's really no need for you to painfully overcomplicate what I said. Some people drift through life with an easygoing nature never dwelling much on what happens around them, others ponder over everything. I fall into the second category and I'm not the first person to use the term 'deep thinker'. If that makes me a ................ er. .................... 'pseudo-intellectual poser' (what does that even mean??) then I humbly apologise for having a manner that's so obviously offensive to you.

Originally posted by MrPenny

After all, your religion teaches that God gave us free will, thus it would be hypocritical of you to expect us to behave otherwise.

You have absolutely no idea what religion, if any, I may follow.

I'm not threatened at all elgaz.....this entertains me.....I get a kick out of exchanges with people that make no sense and yank pseudo-facts out of whatever orifice is available....its like taking candy from babes......

My second paragraph was not actually directed at you, I made a mistake and forgot to include the quotation. Nonetheless it's good to know that you at least get some satisfaction out of life by dishing out verbal assaults over the internet. Go you!

Gaz

Hello again sleeper!

Just two(ish) questions for you if you would care to indulge...

1) What reasons can you think of that someone is not inflicted with nightmares... ever. Would this person need to understand something from this or perhaps is even missing out on something or an important learning mechanism. Any insights on this gift?

2) Is there anything you can tell me about Pluto?

Many thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.
Peace
~Prote

admin edit childish rhetoric, false statement and banned member name mention removed.

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[mod edit] - removed banned member name.

Well? Lets hear it then

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Hi Gee,
How people interpret information they receive is part of the conundrum.

Life on earth is very simple yet so many walk around like zombies because of the interpretation conundrum. So why the conundrum in the human minds?---Why can’t we just all get along?

Perhaps because we come from different levels and background of understanding even before our birth here on earth

We also have differing motivations and attitudes which often clouds how we view the world around us. Notice how some people are always cynical? Even when their situations are similar to people who are always content?

Some souls have been inside animals before they were placed into human containers---plenty of souls are stored inside animals now---but human souls do not progress from animals.

And as far as how souls are created? Well, sugar and spice and everything nice. But then like steel they are hammered into shape.

Originally posted by dodgygeeza

Sleeper: Could you possibly draw a picture of this place on Uranus?

I may have a rendering for my book cover if and when I get the book done.

Also, did you communicate with symbols like in other testimonies and if you didnt what is the reason for this?

I didn’t communicate with symbols and I don’t know why that is

Was there sound and touch when in spirit form?

More so than while in human form. The human body blocks out so much of the good stuff that the shock of real love, peace, touch, etc, takes some getting use to when we crossover

Does it not infuriate you that you and everyone else on this entire planet is locked in an almost eternal prison and theres nothing we can do?

It’s a job and not one that pays all that well either, but there are no short cuts around it and the only way out of the maze is that icky stuff called integrity.

Have you heard of the "other" aliens who want to put a stop to this?

I certainly have, we call them snake oil slickers---they have the easy solutions for every problem.

After all we are all eternal souls and were made into existence at the same time so what gives these beings the right to lock us in a box? Doesn't this make them our enemies??

If they didn’t have the right or the authority then we wouldn’t be here.

You say that we should stay away from trying to delve into the subconscious mind because we would put ourselves in serious danger? Doesn't this sound like the teachings of someone who would want to scare us away from the truth?

I gave my humble advice but I don’t tell anyone what they should do---everyone is free to do and go where they desire. That’s what life is all about, pitfalls and all.

Iv head other stories that these aliens are masters of deception. Are you sure you haven't been taken on a big ride of lies and deception? What makes you so sure?

They tell me to do the right thing in every situation---if that is bad advice then we are all in a bad situation.

Why are experiments made on other humans but you were basically left alone and taken on a mind-blowing experience while the rest are simply shown horrific things that often leave them with PTSD?

I wrote a bazillion posts to try and explain that----.

In death, why can't we simply escape and do what ever the hell we want instead of being sentenced to more of the same?

Some have been allowed to escape; we call them ghosts---lost between realities.

Between realities is not a good place to be and those stuck there are more miserable than they were while here in physical form---they are left there until they beg and plead to be reincarnated and given another chance.

Aren't we allowed to make our own decisions?

All of our situations are based on previous decision we made while here or before we came to earth.

Is "free will" nothing more than a myth?

Free will is not a myth but a solid as steel reality that no one can connive their way through.

You say that in spirit form we are basically free? It sounds like the "ball and chain" applies even in spirit form.

The ball and chain resides between the ears of every human being---and I’m not talking bling bling hanging from the earlobes

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zenfish

Hi zen,

Thanks for your comments! I couldn’t have put it better myself--------Modesty is way over rated---

Anyway, concerning John, he is not all that funny really and not the fashion queen he makes out to be either, but nevertheless he is one smart and solid cookie in this earthly box filled with crumbs.

Originally posted by muse801
Sleeper,

The exponential computing tech is going through the roof and more to come...

Why are we being given this tech download, now?

Hi muse,

Everything in its time. What we call technology is nothing more than a higher state of reality, and the higher up we go technologically speaking the more aware of our world we become----worldwide instant communications for example.

More compact computing power is necessary to maintain food, water, and sanitation, at ever increasing levels, as population in our largest cities grow exponentially---with resources we have to do more with less, and we can only accomplish that with faster and smarter computers.

Plus all of humanity is looking towards entering space during this century---the final frontier---and we can’t do it with bulky equipment and instruments---so nano nano.

Originally posted by tomra
Sleeper, what are they doing to our sun and why?

They are harvesting and they are sowing amongst a thousand other things they are doing. What they are harvesting is not for human mental consumption. Besides it’s high on the ridicule factor gauge and I was told not to tell.

I´m a bit confused, if the earth overnight changed radically i would still wake up and be the same person in the same prisoncell with the same set of challenges for my soul. I assume if asking Milton...."is anything big going down regarding disclosure/2012 etc etc etc" he would say, "no, you still got your set of stuff to learn, regardless".

Most of us are clamoring in the open or within our minds for a quick and easy change---works sucks, the rat race sucks, our bills and mortgages suck, taxes suck.

We want the age of Aquarius, we want Rapture, we want 2012 for the aliens to land and set us slaves free.----What happened when the slaves were set free in America and other countries? They had to get jobs struggle with bills, debt, pay taxes, become part of the rat race, find the elusive equality---life did not get better or easier only more challenging

Freedom and peace of mind are not outward but inward---we will always be slaves to our fears and our ignorance until we realize the brutal truth that all of us don’t want anything to do with---we are our own slave masters.

However, from a day to day perspective the bar would be raised because new stuff added is, well, more stuff to deal with and so forth it adds to the challenge/lesson to learn/dealings with daily routines.

And how hard are the lessons really?---no hate no envy and put a leash on the ego for now.

So, sleeper, any indication that the bar is raised and new stuff is added to the playpen?

Climate change, population increases, the world is going to hell in a hand basket mentality, are stressing out many people like never before.

Some of these people were good people and hated and envied no one while things were running smoothly for them. But people change when they are put into different environments and challenges.

Heck, it’s easy being good when life is good, and safe and secure, so in realty what real value is that in a soul that has yet to prove its worth?

Are things going to get bad and hot and heavy for most on planet earth? Not much more than they already are.

The reason this question keeps popping up is of course because you seems to recieve updated information on a regular basis and so forth the picture is under constant change...

Don’t we all get a constant stream of new info in our jobs in our lives?

But the things that matter most are not new and exciting, they are the same old boring stuff like integrity---that’s what ET seems to be pushing a lot now days---for those who haven’t noticed--- ----Perhaps they received a volume discount on the stuff and they need to get it off the shelves.

But the big message is that integrity is not a one shot deal to be given up when it becomes inconvenient.

And some people who have it will be tested to see how easily they turn loose of it should the going get tough.

Hi Sleeper, how are you?

A fews days ago I have read the thread “200 members of Kurdish sect Killed” at
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and see that those disgusting and horrific suicide bombing attacks goes on and on,
killing in what are in my opinion mostly totally innocent people, I wander the following?

What happens to all the souls of all those victims and bombers who’s bodies are totally disintegrated by such enormous explosions due this sort of suicide attacks as well of the victims of enormous explosions in every disgusting and horrific war.

Normally you should expect that absolute nothing can survive this.

What is your take on that?

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Hi gaz,

There will always be children at the back of the room shooting spitballs at those in the front of the class when the teacher is not looking.

Makes them feel cool---

Originally posted by Prote
Hello again sleeper!

Just two(ish) questions for you if you would care to indulge...

1)What reasons can you think of that someone is not inflicted with nightmares... ever. Would this person need to understand something from this or perhaps is even missing out on something or an important learning mechanism. Any insights on this gift?

Hi Prote,

Nightmares are tools used when necessary and for a variety of reasons---so not having them means they aren’t needed.

2) Is there anything you can tell me about Pluto?

Promotions are much nicer than demotions and Pluto is not all too happy right now about what earth thinks of it.

Is Pluto harboring a deep dark secret? Yes it is----but not anything that will affect earth or life on earth as we know it. The myth must live on and the secret must remain intact.

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Hi spacevisitor,

Souls are indestructible and survive completely whole. Most of them watch the explosion while out of their bodies before it happens. Only those who cause the suffering will suffer the full carnage of their own doing---over and over again----it’s truly a never ending hell for the suicide bombers.

If these people had any idea what kind of hell they are going to enter into they would never in a million years do such hateful and deranged acts.

Innocent victims assuming they are not carrying evil baggage of their own will be instantly transported to a place we know as heaven---zero pain and surrounded by pure love

Those who survive these horrendous attacks and remain on earth will have to work through new challenges.

Howdy guys

Although I don't have time to read all of the almost-200 pages of this thread, what I did read has been very interesting.

What I wonder most of all is what I asked here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I see now that you (sleeper) say that we receive advanced knowledge only as the ETs give it to us, which is a tidy and certainly fits with the rest of what you say. That said, I'm still not fully convinced of that - If only because the prospects of our universe excite me far more than that of any ET life. It's certainly convenient that although there are many different alien species none of them are willing to divulge the universe's greater secrets to the thousands of people they contact.

That said, I'll continue to read my science news, and slowly but surely I'll see that more of the universe's mysteries are being revealed. The only hitch I see with the "aliens beam us knowledge" explanation, besides the lack of (I hate this word) proof, is that it doesn't fit as well with the development with some of our science, i.e. string theory (Where the theory was developed for one reason, ignored, changed to fit another reason, laughed at, changed yet again, then taken into serious consideration). Why all the hoops?

Originally posted by sleeper

Anyway, concerning John, he is not all that funny really and not the fashion queen he makes out to be either, but nevertheless he is one smart and solid cookie in this earthly box filled with crumbs.

Hi sleeper,

I've just noticed that I've never had my mind blown by any philosophical statements John's made. Not that he isn't capable of doing so. He seems to be more of a "just the facts mam" kind of guy. Like when Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller were questioning that naked cheerleader in "Starsky and Hutch."

Birds of a feather.

zenfish

Originally posted by zenfish

Like when Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller were questioning that naked cheerleader in "Starsky and Hutch."


Birds of a feather.

Do you have a link to a video excerpt of this and maybe a still picture? I never go to the movies. Thanks.

Hi Sleeper, thanks alot for the replies.

Whats your take on the Hollow Earth/planet theory and peoples disappearances in the Burmuda triangle etc? Alot of people have claimed that there are massive underground cities in certain mountains .

Thanks

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A friend told me to check out this thread And I have read up to the first 60 pages... And I just want to thank you guys for such a great topic!!!

Ive learned much here, and after I have gone over my data, and tweaked a few things in my own mind, I have much to offer this thread..

So I am just making this post here, to show my support, and let you know another mind thinks alike

Much more reading to go..!!!