Steven Greer at LA Conscious Life Expo

Recusal

Originally posted by tock
The mods are Biased. It actually serves as support to see other users doing crap like this. Last time I checked, Majic was a super moderator and I even complained to ATS with no answers...? .. oh well...

In light of this and related complaints, and the fact that I've been (until now) an active participant in this discussion, I'm recusing myself from taking any action involving any accounts associated with this thread.

Someone else will have to handle it, and I'm sorry for my involvement in taking this thread off-topic.

Originally posted by tock
I never accused you, but the other poster.

You are coming with valid points that can be discussed. I couldn't say the same from the user called GreerIsAFraud which obviously created that secondary account cause he's too chicken to post on him main account. Account made solely to attack Dr Greer without any foundations. To me, that's worthless bashing.

Wait. How can you say that I haven't come up with a valid point? I believe I have the most valid point of anyone in this whole thread.

Dr. Greer claims he can levitate. 100% of the scientific community on the planet Earth thinks that this is an impossibility. The vast majority of humans on the planet Earth think this is an impossibility. No one has ever proven that they can levitate in the history of human kind. Don't you think it totally destroys his credibility if he makes such grandoise claims that are easy to prove yet simply chooses not to prove it? What if his entire book were the exact same, but instead everytime he said the word "levitate" you replaced it with "sprouted wings out of my back and flew"..... you would still be ok with that? I just don't get how you Greer fanboys can just overlook this whole levitation thing without even raising an eyebrow.

Isn't that a valid point? A grown man, a doctor of medicine claiming he can break the laws of nature and defy gravity with just his mind..... but he won't prove it? It just makes a once respected man look like yet another fraud in the UFO community. How do you think his eyewitnesses feel about that? They put their neck out to reveal the truth and then the man they put their trust in turns into a goddamn hand holding hippy who claims he can levitate. How do you think all of his political contacts feel about having their name used as a credible source in the same book? Do you think they will EVER want anything to do with Greer again? If you do, you are rather naive. Greer was doing a great thing by compiling his list of credible witnesses, and making high ranking government and political contacts, and then with this book he took a big hot steamy dump on all of them.

Disclosure project is done. There is no recovering from this book as Greer has lost every ounce of credibility he had. There will never be congressional hearings. No one is backing your boy Greer; A man that many thought to be a serious researcher has exposed himself to be just another in a long line of UFO kooks.


As far as calling me a coward for my username..... I don't get it. I have no secondary account on these forums and I signed up for the sole purpose of posting in this thread. How is my username violating any terms? I also think that crop circles are man made so if my username were CropCirlcesRfake, would that be inflammatory as well? You mean to tell me that I can start a thread calling Greer a fraud until I am blue in the face, but I can't claim he is a fraud in my username? I am sorry if your extreme mancrush for Greer makes my name so offensive to you, but you are just going to have to deal with it.

@greerIsAFraud

Even if your last post is well written / intelligent, your name is totally inappropriate in my opinion. It's only a matter of time until someone is gonna start wasting our time arguying about it.

You have the right to think whatever you want about Dr. Greer, but in my opinion being arrogant about it is not right.

-fred

Originally posted by sc4venger
@greerIsAFraud

Even if your last post is well written / intelligent, your name is totally inappropriate in my opinion. It's only a matter of time until someone is gonna start wasting our time arguying about it.

You have the right to think whatever you want about Dr. Greer, but in my opinion being arrogant about it is not right.

-fred

Well, he has almost 100$ of mine that I wasted on his books, and I have this username. I think he got the better end of the deal.

In case you've forgotten, it's;

Steven Greer at LA Conscious Life Expo

Deviations about moderators and their opinions or members and their usernames are not part of the Conscious Life Expo.

Dr Greer is on the carpet, so to speak, and that is fine in this discussion, whether you feel he is a detriment to disclosure or not.

Please stick to the topic at hand and attempt to remain within that most rare of human characteristics... civility.

Originally posted by greerISaFraud


Well, he has almost 100$ of mine that I wasted on his books, and I have this username. I think he got the better end of the deal.

I am curious what you purchased and what you thought of it. I haven't read any of his books, but I have heard a number of his interviews. I can imagine that some of it is very bizarre.

I'll tell you what I think about all this.

You are either ready for it, or you are not. I bought the last 2 books, and I literally devoured them. It was amazing stories, life changing reading.

There is some amazing events that happened, and he decided to share with the public, even the most incredible stories. And I thank him for that. That brings up to the pace and we get to understand there is more than what our government wants us to know. They want to keep us like sheep's so we can be easier handled. Enlightened people that see the light, are not easy to control.

He knew that it would hurt his image, but he's a man true to himself and to the public. He said what happened, no detour...

After reading the 2 books and doing some research on him, I registered for the September 2006 CSETI Training. I had a blast over there, it was just fantastic. People were nice. The CSETI people are awesome. We got to know a lot of what's going on behind the scene and that was sometimes scary, sometimes breath taking. In 35 years, this was the best spent holidays I ever took away from Canada. I made friend with someone from Ireland, Denmark, British Columbia, Minnesota, St-Bruno and all over the world.

But again, the quality of experience has a lot to do with your attitude. I can't say everybody will like it. Some of the people that came, didn't even read the training material in the binder and none of the books, so they kind of missed why CSETI is doing all this.

In other words, if your life is on a stall at the moment, and you want to see a different perspective, I would highly recommend a week with that amazing man and his team. You can also see him at the LA Conscious life expo first.

My 2 cents.

Originally posted by Togetic

I am curious what you purchased and what you thought of it. I haven't read any of his books, but I have heard a number of his interviews. I can imagine that some of it is very bizarre.

Well, the only book that I am upset about is his latest book, "Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge" His previous books were compilations of credible eye-witness testimony. They were credible because they were believable accounts by professionals. The whole purpose of his earlier books was credibility. That is obvious because he could have interviewed a whole slew of people with much more shocking stories *ala Sleeper*, but he chose to interview military professionals. He was purposely going for credibility, not shock value or fantastical stories, and he did this in a professional/documented manner.

Then came his major push for congressional hearings in 2001. This is what his life's work was leading up to and was the best chance that anyone on the planet has ever had for full disclosure. He gave it his best and the congressional hearings never occured. The attacks on the WTC happened shortly after his conference and basically whatever interest he sparked in the house/congress was shuffled to the bottom of the deck. Greer even goes as far as suggesting that 911 was a direct result of the Disclosure Project (purpotrated by the US government).

My theory as to what happened next:
Greer had to be distraught. All the hard work that he and others had done, all the eye witnesses that had gone out on a limb, all the military and political contacts he had made.......all went for naught. I believe he then went off the deep end.

The book he wrote after that, "Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge" was like a total 180deg turn from what he was doing before. He stopped going about his work in a scientific manner and started telling fantastical stories. He talked of his contacts in government/politics/and eye-witness accounts, but also of his personal theories. He spoke of a lot of new-age spirituality. He spoke of his personal connections to the aliens, and how he contacts them through meditation. He claims he can summon aliens to appear at will. He speaks of being able to levitate. He speaks of the attacks on his life by black ops which included them giving him, his dog, and his best friend cancer, and also talks of having out of body experiences that allowed him to travel to his attackers and stop them. He has yet to prove any of these extrordinary claims.

Basically he hung everyone out to dry. Everyone that risked their professional credibility whether it be military or political.... he took all the faith they put in him and he poo'd all over it.

All for what? What did he accomplish by printing this book, "Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge" ? Even if (and I say this with the highest degree of scepticism), even if everything in that book is 100% fact.... what are you doing for your cause by printing this without a freaking kernal of proof????
He has done nothing but alienate (no pun intended) everyone that put their trust in him, and that is why I believe the Disclosure Project is toast. No way can it recover from that. Their website is now dead basically, and probably will never be updated again. It is a place to advertise his new book and a graveyard for the credible eye-witness testimony.

He seems to focus on CSETI now, and makes his living off giving believers a tour to see lights in the sky. Steven Greer is currently nothing more than a Prophet Yahweh and has devolved into a man showing suckers some distant objects in the sky at the location of his choosing.

Just as someone stated earlier in this thread........Dr. Greer and the Disclore Project is symonymous with wasted opportunity.

[edit on 21-1-2007 by greerISaFraud]

Originally posted by tock
I'll tell you what I think about all this.

Hey Tock, not sure if you put me on ignore yet, but I think it is odd that you claim that I have no point and am senslessly bashing Dr. Greer..YET, when I make a well-thought out post that is logically consistant, you don't even address it at all.

I have a great point in my opinion! Why would Dr. Greer make such an easily provable, yet monumentally rare, claim such as being able to levitate and not prove it?

thx in advance for any response,
David

Well did anyone go yesterday and meet Steven Greer?

I believe he will teach on Sunday first time.

He was in Palm Spring for a week.

Greer seems to be one of the only people thats actually going for it. He's actually doing something. Most if not all subjects on anything will include people that lie, that is an inevitability when you work with people. O.J. got off scott free, etc.

At first, when I saw the disclosure project testimonies, I was extremely impressed, but then I read his weird theories about spirituality and that turned me off.

Then I read more into spirituality and NDE's, thousands of them, and as I was not impressed before, I am again thinking that I was perhaps wrong to be so closed minded.

I have been in discussions with people that dislike Greer, and most of their argument against him is based off of his reluctance to share certain information that they believe he has, and how much money he wants for his...err, training sessions I guess. But to me, thats all beside the point. The fact remains that you can't discredit him all out, and his testimonials are more important to me personally than all of those fuzzy pictures of dots in the sky and videos of night lights combined.

I'm less concerned with Greer himself and more concerned with the other people he can rally.


[edit on 10-2-2007 by BallOfPopulation]

Originally posted by Lucas_1984
I’m very interested in Dr Geers work and I was just wandering if anyone knows if he ever travel to England and does any presentations. If so then has he got a visit planned soon?

He has been to England, in the area around stonehenge where the circles are appearing. They went there and meditated on the CSETI logo and the next morning it appeared in a field near where they were.

I don't know of any plans for him to be in England, but you can cseti.org for his appearances.

www.ufocongress.com...

Steven Greer will be one of the speakers. For those of you who can make it to this event in Nevada...

Did anyone go to the previous meeting, can they give us a synopsis of it?

Let's not forget Greer has been going at it for two decades.

Initially, I'm sure he leaked the information in a gentle, gradual fashion, not to shock the press and public. He assumed, as many here do, that this approach was the best strategy for disclosure: not too much information at one, just the whistleblowers and their testimonies.

Now we're 2007, and the man has simply reached his limit. People have died around him and god knows what Greer himself has had to endure.

I reckon he thinks 'I did what I could', now I'm gonna burst open with this final book, both guns blazing. The hell with credibility. I think he wrote this book mainly for himself, then for the audience.

With regards to insider proof: the Disclosure Project DVD on Google video suffices.

Originally posted by Thodeph

Now we're 2007, and the man has simply reached his limit. People have died around him and god knows what Greer himself has had to endure.

I reckon he thinks 'I did what I could', now I'm gonna burst open with this final book, both guns blazing. The hell with credibility. I think he wrote this book mainly for himself, then for the audience.

With regards to insider proof: the Disclosure Project DVD on Google video suffices.

You may be right, however, I think you will find in time you're very much mistaken. You guys forget that the main focus of his disclosure project is not for those of us who are in the UFO community but for people in power first and the general public second. His assistant Debbie says he is still at work attempting to get hearings on this issue.

If nothing else, Dr. Greer is a very patient person. It doesn't matter to him if he succeeds yesterday or 5 years from now.

Originally posted by tock
I posted before reading your U2U and my complain was filed yesterday night.
24 hrs to reply is a long turn around, isn't?

No worries, we see how much the staff cares really.

Interesting.

Originally posted by c3hamby

Originally posted by Thodeph

Now we're 2007, and the man has simply reached his limit. People have died around him and god knows what Greer himself has had to endure.

I reckon he thinks 'I did what I could', now I'm gonna burst open with this final book, both guns blazing. The hell with credibility. I think he wrote this book mainly for himself, then for the audience.

With regards to insider proof: the Disclosure Project DVD on Google video suffices.

You may be right, however, I think you will find in time you're very much mistaken. You guys forget that the main focus of his disclosure project is not for those of us who are in the UFO community but for people in power first and the general public second. His assistant Debbie says he is still at work attempting to get hearings on this issue.

If nothing else, Dr. Greer is a very patient person. It doesn't matter to him if he succeeds yesterday or 5 years from now.

He may be trying, but apart from congressman Dennis Kucinich, I don't see anyone in the American government with enough guts to openly attach his/her name to this. The US has adapted a systemic lie as the official policy towards this topic.

Of course, many know what's going on and talk about it privately, in all sectors of public life -- and this is largely thanks to Steven Greer.

, I don't see anyone in the American government with enough guts to openly attach his/her name to this.

Is there a single reason that they should??? Greer has offered up nothing other than whats allways been offered, stories.

Why should all of congress hold sessions to investigate UFOs, if the most ardent UFO supporters can't offer up any physical evidence?