Steven Greer at LA Conscious Life Expo

Originally posted by Lucas_1984
I’m very interested in Dr Geers work and I was just wandering if anyone knows if he ever travel to England and does any presentations. If so then has he got a visit planned soon?

I don't see anything planned for England on his schedule. But he did go in the past. If you gather enough people, he would fly there for a minimal cost.

contact [email protected] for more details.

Originally posted by Orion437
As it was showed before, Greer charges 600/700 to train people to make contact in high level of conciousness, with aliens.


Its hard to believe when you found things like this.

Sorry for my english.

I was trained that way. It works nicely. There was some fascinating events happening during the week. I wish a full materialised craft landed. I believe the quality of the group has to do with the quality of the events happening, but that's just my opinion.

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
I (and I think may others here) would gladly support a group that raised UFOlogy awareness with innovative media campaigns - (like those thought provoking anti-smoking ads) - and who provided an internet library of sorts that allowed universal access to a large collection of compiled UFO evidence and UFOlogy white papers (even if it cost a one time or monthly fee).

At the risk of going off-topic, I just wanted to provide some perspective on this, as the agency I work at produces those same thought-provoking anti-smoking ads.

They are funded (or rather the funds are managed) by the American Legacy Foundation, which is "a 501(c)(3) public charity established in March 1999 as a result of the Master Settlement Agreement (MSA) between a coalition of Attorneys General in 46 states and five U.S. territories and the tobacco industry." (source)

In other words, all of those ads are funded by that huge settlement you may remember from back in 1999. Most anti-smoking advertising (and other media) you've seen since then has been the result of legally mandated tobacco industry money, and that money has been in the hundreds of millions annually.

All of which I point out so that you understand the astronomical funding and unusual legal circumstances that went and still goes into those media efforts.

The likelihood of Greer or any other UFO group having the resources to afford even a single, one-time thirty-second advertising spot on national television, never mind the cost of producing the ad itself, is zero. They couldn't even swing the media buyers' fees. No matter how much he charges for his outings.

Originally posted by skip_brilliantineThe likelihood of Greer or any other UFO group having the resources to afford even a single, one-time thirty-second advertising spot on national television, never mind the cost of producing the ad itself, is zero. They couldn't even swing the media buyers' fees. No matter how much he charges for his outings.

No kidding!!!
What would be the cost of showing DP on TV during peak times? Millions?
I have heard of few millions to show one short adverting during superbowl?
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You could get any of those shows on TV for free, if you actually presented real proof of alien contact.

Originally posted by Nygdan
You could get any of those shows on TV for free, if you actually presented real proof of alien contact.

I call BS. Like if he didn't try .
God Nygdan, you ever see further than the tip of your nose before you talk ?

I remember at least 2 media outlet that offered to show Steven's work, but retracted as soon as the leaders of the media said "NO", you won't show that, or else you lose your job...

Wake up man.

A Tip

Originally posted by tock
God Nygdan, you ever see further than the tip of your nose before you talk ?

Are you capable of addressing the topic without being rude and insulting toward other members?

Hint: It doesn't bolster your credibility whatsoever.

If you want to stand up for Dr. Greer, that's fine. You are free to express whatever opinions you want about the topic.

But I request that you do so by presenting facts to support your position and leaving the insults on the schoolyard where they belong.

Wake up man.

What upset me is people coming over and over with those one liners. Nygdan is good for that, check his last 5 post, just to crush someone and those one liners brings absolutely nothing to the posting but to try to upset and descredit someone.

He is also, constantly attacking the man that brought the Disclosure Project National Press Club to life, which is in my opinion, one of the most amazing thing that could have happened to us.

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Civil Defense

Well I suppose you have a point. Though I am rather unimpressed with Dr. Greer's track record, I should probably not be quite so rude about it myself.

I know it can be hard to hold back when so many harsh words are flying, especially from us mods, so I'll try to behave myself, and hope you can too.

the fact that the so called " discousure movement " requires NDAs to participate , thats priceless

What is wrong with Google Video?? That would be a good place to start. You can get anything on there now.

Originally posted by Majic

Seems to me that with the connections he claims to have to the Galactic Federation, Dr. Greer should be able to hit them up for some assistance.

I have to imagine the Galactic Federation would have some sort of means if they are anything like he has claimed them to be.

At the very least, you'd think they'd provide him free transportation.

It may seem that way to you, but Greer has been very careful not to get in bed with these guys, he has not taken any financial gain from these people, this in order to avoid infiltration of his group. He has turned down way more money etc from this group than he would ever get from me or you.

Trust But Don't Verify

Originally posted by c3hamby
It may seem that way to you, but Greer has been very careful not to get in bed with these guys, he has not taken any financial gain from these people, this in order to avoid infiltration of his group. He has turned down way more money etc from this group than he would ever get from me or you.

So am I to understand that Dr. Greer distrusts the very same Galactic Federation he argued against deterring with missile defense systems?

If he doesn't trust them, why should we?

Originally posted by c3hamby

It may seem that way to you, but Greer has been very careful not to get in bed with these guys, he has not taken any financial gain from these people, this in order to avoid infiltration of his group. He has turned down way more money etc from this group than he would ever get from me or you.

bravo - that is the most contrived excuse i have heard in a while

it is almost on a par with the billy meier ` my super powerful alien chums said they could grow me a new arm .. but i said no ` story

Originally posted by jritzmann

c3hamby-
I've seen that film before.

You said there were no videos of CSETI events. I'm providing you with evidence that there is. They don't look like airplanes or sattelites to me, but that's just me.

BTW, I'm not asking you to believe any of this. It does not affect me one way or the other what you think. One thing is for sure, we're either right or wrong about all of it, none of it or some of it or somewhere in between.

Originally posted by jritzmann

Here's the document I refer to in his overstating his "briefing". Sounds like nothing but casual dinner conversation brought up and forgetten just as easy.
www.ufowatchdog.com...

Thank you for providing that. I note that the date on the letter is 1999. In 2006 the account is re presented in Greer's book 'Hidden'. I'm going to take it upon myself to contact Debbie to see what her response is. I can't imagine why Greer would've have reincluded it if there was really ever a true acknowledgement of error on Greer's part.

BTW, if you would like to have your own Woolsey letterhead, I'll be happy to offer some for sale, at 10 dollars/per ream.

Originally posted by jritzmann

Easy then. Dont bring it up. He has no proof, and such claims are irresponcible to make, it's that simple. When you have proof of such, youre in the clear to talk about it.

Well, anonymous statements are credited daily in the press, perhaps we can recall Watergate, or Valerie P (McLennan can fill you in ) for you. If Deepthroat had been discredited for this reason, maybe we would have never brought Nixon's misgivings to light...

Originally posted by jritzmann

What? An no doubt you have proof of such a thing right? Or is this Greer's statement? No, he got caught trying to put some air forward that he was "in the know" as he always does, and stated he had no idea how much the president was briefed. When you have a statement from Clinton or a verified statement from an aide, lemme know.

Good point. Don't know what to tell you, ask Larry King. As you insinuate there could be more than one interpretation on an event, check the Clinton book to corroborate the fact Clinton was looking into the subject of ufos.

If we had a verified statement from Clinton on any of this you and me would be having a diffferent conversation about this whole thing, probably on BTS.

The whole point of disclosure is for public officials to come out with this, I'm hoping 'Hidden' helps that happen.

I'll get back with you when I hear back from Debbie.

Originally posted by c3hamby

Originally posted by Majic

Seems to me that with the connections he claims to have to the Galactic Federation, Dr. Greer should be able to hit them up for some assistance.

I have to imagine the Galactic Federation would have some sort of means if they are anything like he has claimed them to be.

At the very least, you'd think they'd provide him free transportation.

It may seem that way to you, but Greer has been very careful not to get in bed with these guys, he has not taken any financial gain from these people, this in order to avoid infiltration of his group. He has turned down way more money etc from this group than he would ever get from me or you.

LOL, you got a solid point here c3hamby
He told us at one point during the training...
"I was offered to get my credit card whipe back to zero at each end of month..." and as a doctor, they have 100k Credit card limits....
I was like, OMGGG......

C3-What I was getting at is there is NO proof to support Greer's wild claims. Anyone can dance all around issues too, but lets acknowledge that there's no video which he claims to have, out there.

I doubt the Woolsey letterhead is faked, considering Greer has already commented on it. Lets not get all cloak and dagger about the obvious. Greer overstated the event, plain and simple.

"Don't know what to tell you, ask Larry King."

I'm not asking Larry King. You made a statement:

"Greer didn't want to disclose anymore about that simply because at the time Clinton was in office and Greer was working with Clinton and his aides on disclosure. That's why he was being evasive about it. He told King after the show that very information."

Now, support it. Dont just say "I dont know what to tell you". Who said this? Greer? Again, where's the support for these kind of statements?

Originally posted by tock

Originally posted by Nygdan
You could get any of those shows on TV for free, if you actually presented real proof of alien contact.

I call BS. Like if he didn't try

So you suggest that Greer has tried to release his proof of alien contact, but no one will put it up?

I mean, its actual proof that would convince a person, and its being covered up, by everyone, everywhere, in all media sources.

I remember at least 2 media outlet that offered to show Steven's work, but retracted as soon as the leaders of the media said "NO", you won't show that, or else you lose your job...

Such as who?
What leaders of the media?
And what about the other billion media outlets out there????

over with those one liners. Nygdan is good for that

Excuse me?
One liners?

You are problably the first person to ever accuse me of being too breif.

He is also, constantly attacking the man that brought the Disclosure Project National Press Club to life,

So what? The guy is a fraud. I am allowed to say that.

just to crush someone and those one liners brings absolutely nothing to the posting but to try to upset and descredit someone

I am not trying to 'crush' anyone, I am expressing my understanding of the situation, and trying to probe to find out why other people think what they think, and find out what they think about my ideas. Thats called 'a discussion'. I am not trying to discredit anyone, and since I am not an authority, how can i discredit anyone? I am certainly not trying to discredit other members. I am having a dicussion. I am allowed to disagree with you and others you know.

If Deepthroat had been discredited for this reason, maybe we would have never brought Nixon's misgivings to light

The difference is that Deepthroat wasn't saying 'i have spectacular information, BUT, I won't tell you'. Greer certainly isn't doing what Woodward did. He's suppressing the information.

Originally posted by jritzmann

Now, support it. Dont just say "I dont know what to tell you". Who said this? Greer? Again, where's the support for these kind of statements?

I really can't understand the angry tone of your responses

It seems as though responding to your posts is like trying to fill a black hole so much is your anger regarding this subject.

Why do I have to support anything I say? Your argument is with Dr Greer not me. I don't have any first hand experience with any of this. I would assume you have never talked to Greer yourself either. I'm just reflecting back to you what I know about Dr Greer and what I've read about him. You me nor anyone else can even prove that any of us even exist. About theses issues, I agree with you to disagree.

This is a discussion group. I'm not going to turn this into an argument. You can with someone else if someone else wants to play along. I'm not going to bear the burden of any resentment you would have against Dr Greer, though I question why Dr Greer's actions would cause you resentment. Whether I choose to believe him or not, my life is pretty much the way it is either way.

I see the Disclosure Project as a work in progress. If not everything doesn't seem nailed down and air tight, that doesn't matter much to me. Until disclosure is achieved everything is up in the air as far as I'm concerned. If Greer's efforts accomplish it fine, if someone else, good.

Thank you for bringing the Woolsey issue up, I wasn't aware he was disputing what happened. That was the most troubling thing that I read of your statements. Here is a response I got back from Debbie regarding Woolsey, verbatim:

Woolsey was in denial about the meeting after Dr. Greer's ET Contact book came out. However, he didn't know that Dr. Greer saved the paper trial and Fed Ex's from the person who arranged the meeting, which explains the purpose of the meeting.

And on reflection, Greer did mention these Fed Exs in his 2006 retelling of the story in 'Hidden', that was why he was being invited, and that the cover was a dinner party, but it was way more than that.

That seems a logical respone to me. If you want to find fault in that,which I'm sure you will the 'post reply' button is open to you.

My point in regards to Larry King is that after the King episode Dr Greer admitted to King that president Clinton did know about these issues. You are the one that doesn't want to believe that, and that's fine with me as I previously stated. You don't have to believe.

If you want confirmation about that I merely suggested that you see if Larry King will corroborate that for you, if you need undisputable truth, which it seems that's what you are asking for, and that's fine-I can't give that to you.

I will say 'I don't know what to tell you' or anything else I desire to say if I want to because neither can you control what I believe nor what I say. Your attempt to try to censor what I say seems a desperate attempt at something, but I'm not sure what.

I guess the bottom line about any of this is that even if a small portion of any of this is true, it means a lot for our world. If I'm being taken by a medicine show, that's not really any of your concern.

Dr Greer has done more to expose this than either you or me, and that's what I want to be a part of. I'm not sure that our discussions are helping that along.

Originally posted by c3hamby

Originally posted by jritzmann

Now, support it. Dont just say "I dont know what to tell you". Who said this? Greer? Again, where's the support for these kind of statements?

I really can't understand the angry tone of your responses

I'm totally not angry, nor trying to start a fight. See, what does happen all too often is people repeating stuff they cant back up. Now, after awhile in this field, these repeated baseless stuff becomes "fact" somehow with people who arent aware of the background. At some point we have to stop repeating "factual" claims with no basis, as they dont do us any good at getting any real answers.

I hope that explains it.

I dont know who "Debbie" is, nor what her connection is, but I've not seen anywhere wher Greer posted his FEDEX's, nor his communications with the "arranger". Woolsey and all parties seem to have a much different viewpoint and their letter is there.

As far as Larry King, again, where's the proof Greer was working with aides or Clinton for disclosure? Again, it's just more claims and "well I said this after.."

Thats all I'm getting at. No backup.