US bans anti-war countries from Iraq deals

LET'S BE HONEST. I FOR THE MOST PART AGREE THAT IRAQ HAD TO BE DEALT WITH. I DO NOT BELEIVE ANY AMOUNT OF SANCTIONS WOULD HAVE GIVEN ANY KIND OF POSITIVE RESULT. I ALSO FEEL THAT THERE WERE REASONS GIVEN FOR THE INVASION THAT HAVE PROVED TO BE EXAGERATED. I STILL KNOW THAT THE WORLD AND THE IRAQI PEOPLE ARE BETTER NOW THAN WITH HUSSEIN IN CHARGE.

NOW ON TOPIC..........THE SITUATION NOT SECURE AT THIS TIME. SPIES AND TERRORISTS ARE LOOKING FOR ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO GET IN. THE SAFEST WAY TO HIRE WOULD BE TO HIRE FROM THOSE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE AN INTREST FOR SUCCESS, AND NOT FAILURE. THERE IS AND ECONOMIC ANGLE TO THIS, BUT HEY, THE UNITED STATES IS A CAPITOLISTIC COUNTRY, WHICH IS NOT BAD, IT IS JUST WHAT IT IS. ANYWAY, THERE ARE MANY REASONS TO CONTRACT FROM THE COALITION AND TO ME, IT SEEMS VALID.

Originally posted by PHIN
LET'S BE HONEST. I FOR THE MOST PART AGREE THAT IRAQ HAD TO BE DEALT WITH. I DO NOT BELEIVE ANY AMOUNT OF SANCTIONS WOULD HAVE GIVEN ANY KIND OF POSITIVE RESULT. I ALSO FEEL THAT THERE WERE REASONS GIVEN FOR THE INVASION THAT HAVE PROVED TO BE EXAGERATED. I STILL KNOW THAT THE WORLD AND THE IRAQI PEOPLE ARE BETTER NOW THAN WITH HUSSEIN IN CHARGE.

NOW ON TOPIC..........THE SITUATION NOT SECURE AT THIS TIME. SPIES AND TERRORISTS ARE LOOKING FOR ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO GET IN. THE SAFEST WAY TO HIRE WOULD BE TO HIRE FROM THOSE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE AN INTREST FOR SUCCESS, AND NOT FAILURE. THERE IS AND ECONOMIC ANGLE TO THIS, BUT HEY, THE UNITED STATES IS A CAPITOLISTIC COUNTRY, WHICH IS NOT BAD, IT IS JUST WHAT IT IS. ANYWAY, THERE ARE MANY REASONS TO CONTRACT FROM THE COALITION AND TO ME, IT SEEMS VALID.

Ya see, if you don't share in the orgy of blood and violence, then you don't get to carve from the still twitching and bloody body that is Iraq with the rest of these ghouls. That's basically what it is here.

Saddam was a threat to no one---not even his neighbors. The No-Fly Zone took care of that. Furthermnore, the world has changed for the worse since this Shock & Awe crap. We are hated worldwide and it has given terrorists of all sorts a unifying cause.

Originally posted by Colonel

Originally posted by PHIN
LET'S BE HONEST. I FOR THE MOST PART AGREE THAT IRAQ HAD TO BE DEALT WITH. I DO NOT BELEIVE ANY AMOUNT OF SANCTIONS WOULD HAVE GIVEN ANY KIND OF POSITIVE RESULT. I ALSO FEEL THAT THERE WERE REASONS GIVEN FOR THE INVASION THAT HAVE PROVED TO BE EXAGERATED. I STILL KNOW THAT THE WORLD AND THE IRAQI PEOPLE ARE BETTER NOW THAN WITH HUSSEIN IN CHARGE.

NOW ON TOPIC..........THE SITUATION NOT SECURE AT THIS TIME. SPIES AND TERRORISTS ARE LOOKING FOR ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO GET IN. THE SAFEST WAY TO HIRE WOULD BE TO HIRE FROM THOSE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE AN INTREST FOR SUCCESS, AND NOT FAILURE. THERE IS AND ECONOMIC ANGLE TO THIS, BUT HEY, THE UNITED STATES IS A CAPITOLISTIC COUNTRY, WHICH IS NOT BAD, IT IS JUST WHAT IT IS. ANYWAY, THERE ARE MANY REASONS TO CONTRACT FROM THE COALITION AND TO ME, IT SEEMS VALID.

Ya see, if you don't share in the orgy of blood and violence, then you don't get to carve from the still twitching and bloody body that is Iraq with the rest of these ghouls. That's basically what it is here.

You are proud of your new cliche aren't you?

How many times you said it now?

Ya see, if you don't share in the orgy of blood and violence, then you don't get to carve from the still twitching and bloody body that is Iraq with the rest of these ghouls. That's basically what it is here.

Thats basicly your twisted POV.
I bet you would love to see all fail over there so you could say I told you so.
I'm willing to bet that if it were a liberal prez made the same decision as Bush about this war you would be right behind him and less likely to speak out against him.
L8R
BAKED

Originally posted by Colonel

And, while it is ok for Haliburton to take contracts from the military, it is a conflict of interest when the former VP who STILL takes money from Haliburton to set up no-bid contracts for them. It's illegal!

Heil Hitler.

hmm guess you didnt notice you put in a very important key word here. FORMER. as in USE to be VP of halliburton. since he has no job with them...no conflict no matter how much you want to stomp your feet and pound your fists on the table and think of stupid cliches none of it will do you any good.

they can give him as much as they want but he doesnt work for them and hasnt for 3 years! if he still had a job there i would agree there is a conflict but the money he gets was arranged before he left halliburton. it is all 100% legal. of course if you're going to come down on him for getting what one could consider special interest moeny then you'd have to come down on just about every politician. and since you're not coming down on all politicians and you're not coming down on special interest " campaign donations" you're being at the least, once again, inconsistent.

try harder colonel, this is way too easy. it might be the weekend but you're still getting soft old boy.

BTW am i suppose to act like i'm mad and angry over you hailing hitler? do it all you like, seems a little silly but go right ahead!

and whatever you do colonel NEVER tackle the issues, keep making up cliches and catchphrases, you're becoming more of a media/political whore everyday and it shows.

colonel lets play the game "fill in the blanks!"

a certain politician (insert name here) has a wife who works for a certain company (insert company name here) that is currently leasing fuel tanker jet to the US government and stands to make tons of money from the lease (as opposed to making less from outright selling them). this politician helped to get this lease passed which his wife stood to profit from.

guess who the politician is, and the name of the company and you JUST might find a conflict of interest there....or you'll bury your head in the sand and deny anything that goes on, which is what you're going to do, but i just want to see if you are man enough to see AND admit those you stalwartly defend are no better than those you blast on a regular basis. personally i dont think you have the guts.

Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey

Originally posted by mooseofterror

Originally posted by junglejake
Because the pentagon decided to liberate an oppressed nation. France was too worried we'd discover their "Made in france" stamp on the WMDs. On the day Bush came up and announced we had gone to war with Iraq, I called a few people and told them this was exactly what we needed to do, but I didn't think we had the balls to do it.

I can't tell you how proud, how honored I am living in a country which stands up for what is right, and doesn't reward those who were wrong because they're worried they might stand against them again.

Way to go USA. Way to go US Military. Way to go Bush. Way to go Bush.

Now it's an oppressed nation, but before it was a nuclear power? That was the initial reason. Where are the WMD you talk about? I don't even see any with "made in Iraq" stickers on them. You would have a better chance to find genetic match of an anthrax strain in Iraq that came from a US research lab.


[Edited on 11-12-2003 by mooseofterror]

how in the blue # is this nation opressed? are you still not in front of your computer spewing the same anti bush BS other people are on here spewing? are you in a concentration camp? have you been thrown into an oven? have you been removed from your home in order to house bush's elite gaurds? has the military come and killed your family because you spoke out against bush? have you been gassed? have you had your family taken from you? what exactly have you lost??? it doesnt seem to be your freedom of speech as you are still here! doesnt look like you lost your dwelling or your posessions. what are you being kept from doing pray tell? what has been done to you that is so horrible that you feel like you are a third world citizen. what has been done to you exactly that makes you spew this accusation of opression???

you dont have a #ing clue what real true opression is and you never will as long as you live here. want real opression? go live under kim jong il's thumb.

none of you really have a clue what opression really is. not even i do but i know the patriot act, while it doesnt sound great sure hasnt done anything to me! i can still do everything i did before its enactment. nothing in my life has changed. i dont feel opressed, i dont feel down trodden. i live in a country where i can do anything i want! i can speak out (and i have) agaisnt the polticians that run this country and i'm not sitting in a cell. THAT would be opression. my family hasnt been killed because i spoke out against them. THAT would be intimidation. i still have all my posessions and my house. taking those things from me would be opression.


you people disgust me. we have it so good here and you dont even realize just how good you people have it.

i have a news flash for you, if their was REAL opression in this country not one of you who live here and speak out against bush would be alive at this point. you're whining just to hear yourselves whine.

you're not happy unless you feel absolutely miserable.

most of us have it better inlife than 90% of the other people on this planet and this is how you show your gratitude for a wonderful life, by whining about living in the freeest country on the planet.

ingrates! thats all you are! goddamn ingrates, you dont deserve to live here with your piss poor attitudes. tell you what Mr. i feel i am being opressed, leave the country and let a person who has been really opressed take your place. do them the favor and do me the favor, let some appreciative people who have only known opression come here and live here. i'm tired of the whining and complaining, i want to be with other people who know when they have the good life! i want to share my country with people who know they have it better than most people could ever dare dream! not you whiners who seem to enjoy playing the role of victim.

Prank Monkey, this is a very nice post. However, I think you may have misunderstood what mooseofterror said. He did not say that the US was an oppressed nation. He was replying to junglejake stating that Iraq was an oppressed nation.

Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey

Originally posted by Colonel

hmm guess you didnt notice you put in a very important key word here. FORMER. as in USE to be VP of halliburton. since he has no job with them...no conflict no matter how much you want to stomp your feet and pound your fists on the table and think of stupid cliches none of it will do you any good.

they can give him as much as they want but he doesnt work for them and hasnt for 3 years! if he still had a job there i would agree there is a conflict but the money he gets was arranged before he left halliburton. it is all 100% legal. of course if you're going to come down on him for getting what one could consider special interest moeny then you'd have to come down on just about every politician. and since you're not coming down on all politicians and you're not coming down on special interest " campaign donations" you're being at the least, once again, inconsistent.

try harder colonel, this is way too easy. it might be the weekend but you're still getting soft old boy.

BTW am i suppose to act like i'm mad and angry over you hailing hitler? do it all you like, seems a little silly but go right ahead!

and whatever you do colonel NEVER tackle the issues, keep making up cliches and catchphrases, you're becoming more of a media/political whore everyday and it shows.

Ya know, its really difficult to talk to someone as nescient as you. I don't even know why I try.

IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND ILLEGAL FOR A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL TO ACCEPT MONEY FROM A PRIVATE FIRM IN EXCHANGE FOR POLITICAL FAVORS, I.E. THE HALIBURTON SWEET-HEART NO BID CONTRACTS!

These are not campaign donations! These are moneis delivered into Cheney's own pocket for his own private use! Either grow up or wake up because one of the two is evident here.

And, if this "Iraqi War" was plannned from years ago (which it was), then I see RICO charges here!

And no one escapes RICO...................

Originally posted by Colonel

Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey

Originally posted by Colonel

hmm guess you didnt notice you put in a very important key word here. FORMER. as in USE to be VP of halliburton. since he has no job with them...no conflict no matter how much you want to stomp your feet and pound your fists on the table and think of stupid cliches none of it will do you any good.

they can give him as much as they want but he doesnt work for them and hasnt for 3 years! if he still had a job there i would agree there is a conflict but the money he gets was arranged before he left halliburton. it is all 100% legal. of course if you're going to come down on him for getting what one could consider special interest moeny then you'd have to come down on just about every politician. and since you're not coming down on all politicians and you're not coming down on special interest " campaign donations" you're being at the least, once again, inconsistent.

try harder colonel, this is way too easy. it might be the weekend but you're still getting soft old boy.

BTW am i suppose to act like i'm mad and angry over you hailing hitler? do it all you like, seems a little silly but go right ahead!

and whatever you do colonel NEVER tackle the issues, keep making up cliches and catchphrases, you're becoming more of a media/political whore everyday and it shows.

Ya know, its really difficult to talk to someone as nescient as you. I don't even know why I try.

IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND ILLEGAL FOR A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL TO ACCEPT MONEY FROM A PRIVATE FIRM IN EXCHANGE FOR POLITICAL FAVORS, I.E. THE HALIBURTON SWEET-HEART NO BID CONTRACTS!

These are not campaign donations! These are moneis delivered into Cheney's own pocket for his own private use! Either grow up or wake up because one of the two is evident here.

And, if this "Iraqi War" was plannned from years ago (which it was), then I see RICO charges here!

And no one escapes RICO...................

and why havent you goen after him and halliburton for this since you seem rather convinced of this? why havent you gone after them?

simple question, how about a simple answer? no dodging! no side stepping.

Colonel, you sure have a lot of friends

It becomes obvious to me that certain individuals are truly scared of what you believe, but I all really hear are them bashing you and not the topic. Sad, really sad, we are all human beings and the way the US is handling this will have negative effects on international realationships. If bush was so serious in his "god bless the world" statement after catching sadaam, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but no, Bush is full of crap. I really can't comprehend why most of you are so supportive of vengeance, because that is exactly what the US is carrying out. Barbarians!!

Originally posted by PHIN
NOW ON TOPIC..........THE SITUATION NOT SECURE AT THIS TIME. SPIES AND TERRORISTS ARE LOOKING FOR ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO GET IN. THE SAFEST WAY TO HIRE WOULD BE TO HIRE FROM THOSE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE AN INTREST FOR SUCCESS, AND NOT FAILURE. THERE IS AND ECONOMIC ANGLE TO THIS, BUT HEY, THE UNITED STATES IS A CAPITOLISTIC COUNTRY, WHICH IS NOT BAD, IT IS JUST WHAT IT IS. ANYWAY, THERE ARE MANY REASONS TO CONTRACT FROM THE COALITION AND TO ME, IT SEEMS VALID.

The first "VALID" argument for the reason the US is handling the contracts in this manner, but it still goes against improving international relations. The only thing I can say to this is that we have to look at the intial reasons we arrived at this point and infiltration would ,IMO, not be a bad thing. It would work against the higher ups trying to obtain world domination. So, to me it is just obvious, the "TRUE" intentions of the US.

I read this, and all I can think of is seeing president bush standing at a press conference, and saying

"NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH!!"

and sticking out his tongue....

Just me, but that's pretty immature..

ok this is weird...

US wants to lock out the countries (from the contracts)that were against the war...

including Russia...

but they want Russia to forgive Iraq the 8 BILLION dollar loan...

P.S. USA if you want to ask for people to forget a loan...

do NOT give them a reason to NOT forget it...

Originally posted by Russian
ok this is weird...

US wants to lock out the countries (from the contracts)that were against the war...

including Russia...

but they want Russia to forgive Iraq the 8 BILLION dollar loan...

P.S. USA if you want to ask for people to forget a loan...

do NOT give them a reason to NOT forget it...

That's what I mean by the "TRUE" meaning of all of this. Anyone with common sense should see this goes much further that not supporting the war. I wonder if Russia would forgive the debt to Iraq if they would have access to contracts in Iraq???

Sure Russia would forgive the debt if they could get a slice of the Iraqi contracts....I mean, geezus, the Iraqi needs to rebuild its military and being that Russia was the #1 preferred arms source prior to Saddam being removed, who do you think would more then happily like to return to that role/position?




regards
seekerof

Yes you are right, some sort of deal would surely be made if Russia were to forgive the debt.

Im soooo very ashamed that im an American. What does our gorvent stand for now. All they want is money and power. The Bushes Skull and Bone members millioniers Cheny wants some of the profits. Tax Payer Money going to rebuild Iraq. Im sorry I wount even see a cent of Social Security. But good old GW the "rigtheous leader of peace and Justice " you got a lot of money in your own pocket why dont you pay to rebuild Iraq, how much money did you make on this war. What was the price of this venture. Human lives those of our husbands wives fathers brothers cousins dying in Iraq so you can become richer. It makes me sick. Also all those innocent Iraqies. Oh im sorry they belong to the AXIS of Evil oh right those children and women who are scared to leave there home because of the bombs and rockets falling all around. Bravo indeed mr. Bush. Great job.

Let whatever god you believe in have Mercy on you soul.

Originally posted by Colonel

So, don't act as tho the US was being altruistic and humanitarian.

Ya see, if you don't share in the orgy of blood and violence, then you don't get to carve from the still quivering bloody body that is Iraq with the rest of these ghouls. That's basically what it is here.

I'm not acting as if the USA were ONLY altruistic and humanitarian. I know what's behind that war ( oil ). But it's a fact that Saddam was a tyrant and had to be removed, and it's also a fact that if France, Germany, Russia and China were not "pro-war ", it's not because they are altruist but because :

1) Saddam was one of their best customer.
2) They have/had many things to hide with their relations with Saddam.

And if you don't understand these 2 points, I can't help you. Anyway " I know that you know ".

Colonel? Can you not read? He is no longer the VP of that Company! So if he gives money it is not illegal for it is not for any company! DUH! Anyways, does it really matter what this war was fought for? It would be like argueing why we fought Hitler, for Saddam was killing his people by gassing, torture, burnings, so forth. He was trying/may have already had WMD, a dictator which is against American ways, and last, but not least, oil!

Anyways, stupid cheese eating surrender monkeys(Frenchmen) want in? THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT FOR IT LIKE WE DID! Debt? Right, France gave Saddam a crapload of weapons and other technologies, some on the banned list, and then opposed going to war for this would be found out, like it was, now they want to reap the profits of the men who died, when none where theirs for they have no balls. Like Palestinians and other terrorists who go "There a 4 year old, blow him up. There a soilder, run away like we Frenchmen. There a four year old. He has a squirt gun. It a squirt gun. But it a gun, run away like we are frenchmen!"

Anywas, I'm gonna go now and make fun of the cheese eating surrender monkeys some more.

First, I still refuse to believe Colonel is a lawyer. Noone this short sighted could be.

Do you people think that Halliburton consists of a few guys sitting in a board room with a magic fix it wand?
No, they have employees you know people that do the work and get things done. Why the hell should my tax dollars go to xyz company in France? I would rather american workers were paid with my american money and then it would recirculate into the american economy.
If France wants contracts for rebuilding that's fine as long as they put up french money for french companies.
No matter how you look at it the Iraqis will get the better part of the deal since, when all is said and done, the country will be better than it was pre gulf war 1.

[Edited on 15-12-2003 by Fry2]

Regardless of your stand on this issue, here is a list of contracts that have been awwarded. FYI If anyone can provide an updated link, I would be thankful.

www.export.gov...