Saddam to Hang This Weekend?

Originally posted by Daedalus3
But good people have spoken: I was watching an interview with Susan Sarandon on BBC yesterday and I was amazed at the amount of trauma she and her family have had to go through just because of her stance on the war

Susan Sarandon and the BBC. Oh my! Good people???

The BBC came out with a statement about 2 months ago saying that they admit that they are Anti-American and Ant-War and that they are BIASED. (there was a thread here about it) Susan Sarandon is a radical left wing FLAKE. Putting the two of them together would be very entertaining!

Sarandon hasn't been through 'trauma' and whatever crap she's had to take isn't 'just becasue of her stance on the war' ... it's because of her LONG HISTORY of political rhetoric that ticks off at least half the country. Considering that she makes a living acting and depending on ticket sales from people in this country - that's not too bright of her to do! Heck .. her own mother was on TV saying that she can't visit her grandchildren because Sarandon has brainwashed them, and all grandma gets is yelled at by the grandkids and Susan because she isn't a radical left winger.

Sarandon doesn't know what 'trauma' is. If her ticket sales or opportunities for acting are drying up then that's not trauma. It's Hollywood and America saying that they can't stand to look at her because she isn't being an entertainer anymore ... she's too busy flapping her lips with RADICAL left wing causes.

Susan Sarandon

I cannot, nor will I even attempt to applaud this execution. Bad man or not, he deserved a dispassionate trial. He should have been turned over to the International War Crimes Tribunial and tried there. This is just going to fuel more violence, not end it.

Originally posted by grover
This is just going to fuel more violence, not end it.

Exactly. Which is exactly why they've done it this way.

The media LOVE this kind of thing, it gives them material for weeks. Crank it up and churn it out.

Well I hope that all you arm-chair executioners, who got that wave of satisfactions upon this news, knew for sure that justice was served.

The whole mess stinks, and I refuse to celebrate.

I watched the video earlier this morning on *cough*CNN*cough* (yes, I'm guilty)... and I found a couple things to be a wee bit strange.

The "executioners" were handling Saddam like he was a precious, little lamb. The first guy who seemed to move the camera away from Saddams left side with a swish of the hand as he approached the gallows, the same guy as he put the black scarf around Saddams neck, the next guy as the noose was put over the head...

I mean w-t-frig... you're about to H-A-N-G this guy... and you're worried about the tightness of a scarf and/or whether or not the bristly fibres of a noose scratch his face as you put it over his head....

... I mean c'mon! Seems a little strange.


and wasn't there supposed to be two other individuals hung at the same time (kinda like when Jesus got crucified)? Where did they go?

Great, now lets hope they hang Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld next.

What amazes me about this, is that we are allowed (forced?) to watch the trade center towers fall thousands of times. Thousands of replays of those people dying.

Then the executive branch tries to fool us into thinking that Saddam was behind it... Then we don't get to see him suffer or die because it's Adult Content. We Americans are babies, but we are babies to be traumatized and protected in a controlled manner.

It's not that I want to disbelieve anything, but it is ludicrous to treat us like babies with this hanging (and not show it) while we are being mentally traumatized and desensitized to the WTC deaths via the endless tape replays of the buildings crashing down.

They could at least keep the Saddam/911 lie going long enough to show a few more seconds of videotape. But no. At every turn we are reminded of how Americans are powerless, stupified, children. Eyes locked on the tube, hoping the next image will give us some relief or closure. But it never does.

No one is asking anybody to applaud the execution. Nobody is being forced to watch the Towers fall (you must ask yourself why it bothers you more that it is being shown than it does that they fell).

Originally posted by fattyp
and wasn't there supposed to be two other individuals hung at the same time (kinda like when Jesus got crucified)? Where did they go?

Why? Did you want to view them being executed also? Think of what you are saying.

Accept it, people. This was the first major test of the Iraqi justice system, and probably the toughest one they will ever face. Whether you agree or not, it is their system. There are still countries in the world where women are stoned to death. Anger would better be directed against those countries, yet there are those who defend it as their "culture".

And can you please explain once again how this is Iraqi justice when the nation is occupied by an invading power and the puppet government doesn't even govern of the green zone, much less Baghdad, much less the rest of the country?

There is one good thing to come from this...

The United States and Iran both praise the execution of Saddam

U.S., Iran Praise Execution of Saddam

LONDON Dec 30, 2006 (AP)— Saddam Hussein's execution found the United States and Iran sharing rare common ground on Saturday, with both countries saying the hanging of the former dictator was in the best interest of Iraq, its people and the region.

However, some warned Saddam's death could worsen the violence and civil strife in Iraq.

State-run television in Iran called the former Iraqi leader an "enforcer of the most horrendous crimes against humanity." Iran fought an eight-year war with Saddam's Iraq in the 1980s.

Originally posted by khunmoon
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This so-called "trial" offered an emminent opportunity to excactly find out who supported him, with whom he did deals and the nature of them.

If you ask me, this farce was purposely conducted the way it was, getting him nailed on 148 people (who had tried to kill him), and it never had the intention to get to the more serious accusations, his killing of Kurds with poison gas. If it had, he might have told about his suppliers and technical supporters. Wouldn't be any good.

That's what "you" think, and nomatter what would have been found if the Bush administration was not implicated you would have claimed that "it was a farce", because you like so many other around here want to blame the United States, and in particular the Bush administration for everything...

Nowadays there are people, and including nations, who want to blame everything on the United States..

The last straw was drawn when SE Asian nations wanted to sue the United States for the tsunami of 2004...



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BTW, there have already been groups who have studied who were the main exporters of wmd to Iraq, and the blame is clear, before the first gulf war the Germans were the #1 importers of the gas that Saddam used against the Kurds, yet you have people to this day claiming it was the United States...

The effects of the Iraqi-Iranian war (subhead)

In the mid-1970s when the Ibn-al-Haytham Research and Studies Center was established, Iraq began to conduct research work to test and produce old and new poison gases. Local cadres and capabilities were devoted to this effort. International support, especially by the two parts of Germany, was crucial in activating the Iraqi chemical program. The first use by the Iraqi army of poisonous compounds appeared on the battlefield during the battles against Iran, especially during the hotly contested clashes in Hawr al-Huwazah in 1983. According to the data available to UNSCOM, there are 15 centers to produce and develop poisonous gas for military use. These are located in various regions in Iraq, especially in the areas of Samarra, Al-Fallujah, Akashat, Bayji, Al-Sharqat, and Salman Bak. Seven of these big centers have been destroyed and the rest were put under permanent surveillance.
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The international imports network and the German role between 1982 and 1990 (subhead)

In early 1979, Iraq built the first factory to produce insecticides with the help of Italian engineers. The factory was built in the region of Akashat at a cost of $50 million. A security system was also built to protect the factory that cost another $60 million. The building of this factory experienced many problems, such as espionage attempts by the Mosad, the Israeli intelligence service. The western companies that dealt with the defunct regime -- for instance Australian and Dutch firms -- exported a lot of materials related to this field of production. For instance, the Dutch firm KBS sold Iraq large quantities of Thiodilyco (name as transliterated), a material that is essential in the production of mustard gas, at a cost of 1.5 million Marks. Multinational Italian firms also supplied Iraq with 60 tons of Oxycklorure (name as transliterated), a phosphoric material that is also used in chemical industries that can be put to dual-use. As for the French companies, they exported to Iraq large quantities of a gas (not further identified) that can be used in warfare. This gas was exported across the borders from Italy and Turkey. This transaction was concluded through the mediation of the German Company Karl Kolb. A confidential report issued on 21 August 1990 by Helmut Hossman (name as transliterated), the Economy Minister of then West Germany, confirmed that the German companies had the lion's share in these transactions. The report said that since 1983, West German companies have exported to Iraq huge quantities of raw materials, equipment, and small industrial factories to produce poison gases. The report also said that these companies participated directly in building the Sa'd Project, the Iraqi chemical project, and the construction of the military complex in Al-Taji.

The role of German companies in building the Iraqi nuclear program (subhead)

The German Company Karl Kolb that is specialized in equipping chemical laboratories played a crucial role in supplying the defunct regime over the past 30 years with toxic chemical materials through a middleman who helped Dr Amir al-Sa'di. Al-Sa'di prepared for his doctorate in chemistry in this institution and married a German woman. He worked in the Iraqi chemical project and was in charge of coordinating the defunct regime's transactions and requirements with the management of the Karl Kolb company. In October 1985, the operations of this company ceased by order of the German judiciary after it sold Iraq two electronic systems that test toxic gas inhalation levels. These are used in closed gas chambers where they measure toxic gas reactions with biological tissues. They also measure the level of their effect on animals, such as dogs, donkeys, and mules as well as humans. These gases were tested on prisoners that opposed the Iraqi regime.

www.fas.org...

Another article on who were the main providers of wmd to Iraq including the wmd used to gas the Kurds.

www.thebulletin.org...

Some information on what was found after the first gulf war in Iraq and who provided these materials.

Before being forced out in 1998, the UN inspectors compiled a series of confidential reports detailing what they knew about Iraq’s foreign suppliers. We have been able to see these reports, which have never been published. What they recount is an ongoing effort to build weapons of mass destruction. Throughout the 90’s, in violation of the UN embargo and in the teeth of the inspection regime, the Iraqis were continuing to “import goods . . . from at least . . . twenty different countries.” On Iraq’s shopping list were "turnkey facilities, full-sized production lines, industrial know-how, high-tech spare parts, and raw materials.” The success of this import program depended on “a disturbing proclivity on the part of several countries and companies to supply Iraq with missile technology and assistance, despite the sanctions maintained by the United Nations.”

The core of Iraq’s present supply network dates from the early 1990’s. As the result of a decision to concentrate its shopping expeditions in Eastern Europe, Iraqi delegations fanned out to Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, and Russia, waving petrodollars in front of these countries’ once proud but now starving missile and military plants. They returned with suitcases full of illicit contracts for virtually every kind of equipment a missile-maker might need.

The experience in Belarus was typical. In July 1995, a high-level Iraqi delegation arrived in Minsk. It came from the Badr State Establishment, which had achieved renown before and during the Gulf war. Badr’s machine tools had turned out components for the high-speed centrifuges that Iraq was counting on to process uranium for its first atomic bomb. Badr also made parts for the Al Hussein missile, one of which killed U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf war and several of which landed in Tel Aviv. Today, the plant still retains a line of powerful machine tools.

The main attraction in Minsk was a company called Belstroyimpex. There the Iraqis looked at high-end machine tools, a production line for making diamond-cutting tools, and another production line for powder metallurgy. Iraqi records show that a contract for these machines, or for an even longer list of equipment, was then being carried out. The final shopping list included the diamond-cutting tools, which can be used to make precision parts for nuclear weapons and long-range missiles, and a highly sensitive plasma spray machine that can be used to protect nuclear-weapon components from corrosion. The list also included design work for integrated circuits destined for a military electronics plant that, before the Gulf war, had produced military radars, missile components, and equipment for making nuclear-weapon fuel. The deal was obviously not submitted to the United Nations as required; if it had been, it would never have been approved.

Like so much other contraband entering Iraq, the machines traveled first to the free-trade zone in Aqaba. There they lay until word was given to transfer them to the buyer. An outfit in Amman called the Firas Trading Company served as broker. The confidence Iraq placed in its Jordanian arrangement was a marvel to the UN inspectors. As one of them (a non-native speaker of English) put it colorfully, “Iraq does not consider goods laying in a Jordanian free zone being threatened to loose control.”

Indeed not. During visits to the Badr site in 1996 and 1997, UN inspectors discovered both the powder-metallurgy line and the plasma spray machine (the latter manufactured by the Belarus firm Visoky Vacuum). Obviously the contracts had been fulfilled.* As far as anyone can tell, moreover, the Belarus connection is still active: when inspectors visited the Saddam State Establishment—known also as the Saddam Artillery Plant—in 1998, they observed the Iraqis installing fourteen new machines for manufacturing 75-millimeter lenses. The crates were marked “Republic of Belarus, Vitebsk Machine Building Plant” and “Free Trade Zone, Zarka, Jordan.” In light of the fact that the plant was making optical sights for artillery, one inspector remarked: “You can bet the lenses were not for eyeglasses.”

In Ukraine, the Iraqi focus was more specific: missile components. In September 1993, a Ukrainian trader with a Ph.D. in electronics named Yuri Orshansky arrived in Baghdad. He was accompanied by Dr. Yuri Ayzenberg from a Ukrainian firm, Khartron, well known for its ability to design missile-guidance systems. Within two months, an Iraqi delegation would travel to Ukraine to follow up.

www.iraqwatch.org...



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Originally posted by smallpeeps
What amazes me about this, is that we are allowed (forced?) to watch the trade center towers fall thousands of times. Thousands of replays of those people dying.

Noone has been forced to watch the WTC collapse, if news media like Castro's News Network, I mean CNN continously play them and you keep watching them that is your choice.

Around here there are people who apparently make a living by watching the collapse of the WTC and making up stories about it that not even an 8th grader with some common sense would believe...

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Then the executive branch tries to fool us into thinking that Saddam was behind it... Then we don't get to see him suffer or die because it's Adult Content. We Americans are babies, but we are babies to be traumatized and protected in a controlled manner.

That's not true, actually the U.S. administration has said they don't have any clear evidence that Saddam was behind 9/11...the reasons for going after Iraq have been posted and reposted several times with the speech president Bush gave to the entire world of why Saddam needed to be ousted...

The countries which claimed to have had evidence and some of which provided evidence that Saddam was planning terrorist attacks in the U.S. after 9/11 and up to the beginning of the war were Russia, and this came directly from president Putin who said that several times Russian intelligence agencies gave evidence to the U.S. that Saddam was planning terrorist attaks in the U.S., and the evidence found by judge Baltasar, leading investigator in Spain on the Madrid bombings, who found that the 9/11 attack was planned in Spain. Most of the evidence of who and how the terrorists planned 9/11 is to be found in Spain, the Spanish authorities have indicted several terrorists including Osama Bin Laden in absense for the 9/11 attacks.

Spain links suspect in 9/11 plot to Baghdad


David Rose
Sunday March 16, 2003
The Observer


An alleged terrorist accused of helping the 11 September conspirators was invited to a party by the Iraqi ambassador to Spain under his al-Qaeda nom de guerre, according to documents seized by Spanish investigators.
Yusuf Galan, who was photographed being trained at a camp run by Osama bin Laden, is now in jail, awaiting trial in Madrid. The indictment against him, drawn up by investigating judge Baltasar Garzon, claims he was 'directly involved with the preparation and carrying out of the attacks ... by the suicide pilots on 11 September'.

Evidence of Galan's links with Iraqi government officials came to light only recently, as investigators pored through more than 40,000 pages of documents seized in raids at the homes of Galan and seven alleged co-conspirators. The Spanish authorities have supplied copies to lawyers in America, and this week the documents will form part of a dossier to be filed in a federal court in Washington, claiming damages of approximately $100 billion on behalf of more than 2,500 11 September victims.

observer.guardian.co.uk...

Putin: Saddam Plotting US Terrorist Attacks Prior and After…
News – RIA Novosti: "After Sept. 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, the Russian special services, the intelligence service, received information that officials from Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the U.S. military and other interests," Putin said.

news.netscape.com...

and what do all the "anti-U.S." crowd say about the above?....

And all that is not counting what officials in the Czech Republic and some other countries found, evidence which has been brought up in these forums but which the "left" (from around the world) wants to deny until the day they die.

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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
This is wrong.
Executing Saddam is going to be one of those moments where karma WILL come back to haunt you one day america.

If New Zealand were ever to take a firm position in world politics, and act upon that, or those position(s), I'm sure karma would punish/reward you accordingly.

It must be very comforting to be a citizen of a do nothing/contribute nothing nation, and sit around all day and night taking pot shots at those who live in nations that make decisions and act upon them.

Originally posted by Muaddib
That's what "you" think, and nomatter what would have been found if the Bush administration was not implicated you would have claimed that "it was a farce", because you like so many other around here want to blame the United States, and in particular the Bush administration for everything...

Well, it's not just "me" who think. There're millions outthere who "think" the same heratical thoughts, and probably hundreds of thousands who have the overview and knowledge to claim it a conspiracy, "The Secrets of the Bushes". Only problem for CTs, they don't control the national archives or key state agencies. But they know, and their numbers are steadily increasing.

Even you, Muaddib, show signs of doubt by the little "if" in your sentence "if the Bush administration was not implicated". Doubts should always be in favour of the accused. And in this case the accused is a fair part of the world, who tries to miscredit the noble doings of the Bushes, a humble family out of American soil, who made it in banking and politics.

I guess most of us here are familiar with the legacy of the family, starting with Prescott Bush, grandfather of the present Georgy boy of the White House. Let's not venture into how their fortune was made or the kind of funding it has supported. To get a perspective of where the family stands today, let's just note that George H. W. Bush' connection to Texas goes back to 1948, when father Prescott secured him a position with Dresser Industries, a subsidiary of Brown Brothers Harriman, whom daddy had served as a banker and on the board of directors for 22 years.

Because of its connection to German business it was subject to investigation under the Trading With the Enemy Act. The Silesian-American Corporation, known for using slave labour from the nearby Auschwitz camp, was among the businesses whoes assets were frozen during the war. Prescott Bush was a shareholder, and when it was reimbursed after the war, the $1,500,000 paided out to old Bush was used to put his son Herbert Walker up in the Texas oil bizz of Dresser Industries.

As a subsidary of BB Harriman, Dresser in 1988 aquired another pipe fabrication company, M.W. Kellogg. Dresser itself was bought by Halliburton in 1998, and Kellogg merged with their subsidary Brown and Root, a long time US army contractor, who already during the Vietnam war became infamous as "Burn and Loot". The even more infamous KBR of Halliburton became a reality.

The son and grandson of Prescott Bush has so far spent 18 years in various federal positions of the highest kind, and they have used those positions to their own and family's benefit.

Like Prescott as a senator used his influence to benefit his banking deals, his father Samual Prescott, though he never became activ in politics, used his position and connection to the Harrimans and Rockefellers to achieve positions in the administration. He was a close advisor to President Herbert Hoover and was a member of the War Industries Board and the Senate Munitions Inquiry, the Nye Committee. It examined WW I military-industrial finances in January and February 1936.

In spite of this historical connection, most of the records and correspondence of Samuel Prescott Bush's arms-related work with the government were destroyed at the National Archives, in order 'to save space'. Conceal of information seems always to have had high priority with the Bush family.

Exactly what Bush43 did as the first thing when he was sworn into office. He signed an executive order that blocked the scheduled release of historic records from his father’s years. After the 9/11, the mandate was expanded to grant his family the power to withhold those documents from the American public in perpetuity, passing down the authority to keep the records to historians Jenna and Barbara Bush. So, even after George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush are dead, key government documents covering a 20-year swath of U.S. history will be off-limit to the public. Control the informations, you control the thinking.

Now we have to believe everything about Saddam as it was told, we'll never hear it in his own words, no investigation will ever reveal details and perpetrators. What a chance lost - forever. The most important witness to dealings of the Bush administrations, 41 & 43, have been silenced. Does it remind you about a movie?

Well, this is not only real, it's twisting of history.

Like a blue-blood version of a Mob family with global reach, the Bushes have eliminated one more key witness to the important historical events that led the U.S. military into a bloody stalemate in Iraq and pushed the Middle East to the brink of calamity.

The hanging of Saddam Hussein was supposed to be – as the New York Times observed – the “triumphal bookend” to George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq. If all had gone as planned, Bush might have staged another celebration as he did after the end of “major combat,” posing under the “Mission Accomplished” banner on May 1, 2003.

But now with nearly 3,000 American soldiers killed and the Iraqi death toll exceeding 600,000 by some estimates, Bush may be forced to savor the image of Hussein dangling at the end of a rope a little more privately.

Still, Bush has done his family’s legacy a great service while also protecting secrets that could have embarrassed other senior U.S. government officials.

He has silenced a unique witness to crucial chapters of the secret history that stretched from Iran’s Islamic revolution in 1979 to the alleged American-Saudi “green light” for Hussein to attack Iran in 1980, through the eight years of the Iran-Iraq War during which high-ranking U.S. intermediaries, such as Donald Rumsfeld and Robert Gates, allegedly helped broker supplies of war materiel for Hussein.

The intention is not, like some members here seem to think, "to blame the United States, and in particular the Bush administration for everything", but a civic duty to point out what media and officials try to deflect. Saddam was bad, they tell us. Sure he was, but that wasn't the reason they killed him, no, it was a preventive measure, to keep inside the family what they don't want you to know.

Blame or not, but I have to speek out in particular against the current administration, it's lies, manipulations and cover-ups. Because I love America too.

Originally posted by khunmoon
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Even you, Muaddib, show signs of doubt by the little "if" in your sentence "if the Bush administration was not implicated". Doubts should always be in favour of the accused. And in this case the accused is a fair part of the world, who tries to miscredit the noble doings of the Bushes, a humble family out of American soil, who made it in banking and politics.............

Nice try... I mentioned "if" because there are some people that nomatter what evidence is given they will continue to deny the facts.

The doubts i have is with all the claims with distortions of the truth and exagerations that people make trying to pass those "claims with distortions, and exagerations" as the truth.

Do i know for certain if any of your claims are true or not? I know some of the things you said are true, but I can't say whether everything you claimed is true or not, because they are claims made by you without any real facts to back every one of those claims, and you already claimed "all the evidence has been hidden or destroyed".... nice try. Making a claim and then making sure that claim lives on by "claiming" all the evidence has been hidden or destroyed...

Tell me wise guy, how am i supposed to disprove your "claims" when you already claimed "all the evidence has been hidden or destroyed"?....

I could also make many claims about you and could very well make people believe that you have some connection to the mafia, or that you are an ex-KGB agent or such, puting in some true history about your past here and there, and then claim "all the files that back this information have been hidden or destroyed, hence we will never know the truth about you", that last sentence alone will make some people believe "it must be true then because some of the things mentioned are true," but it is just a game of words.

Bluffs work pretty much in the same way. I did study Psychology in College too, I was not born yesterday either, and making such sugestions/claims, and then trying to put me in the "doubters group" as if we were longtime buddies, trying to break the ice, will not work with me.

BTW, you are not the first one to use some facts and then twist them to back whatever agenda you might have. I have seen some people in here claim that president Bush is somehow involved with Nazis because his grandfather was "one" of the directors of one bank in which one Nazi had money in... Part of that claim is true, but then people have made exagerations of the facts and twisted the truth around for their own political agendas and whatnot.

Claims exist by the millions, and many of them are not even close to the truth, while some have some truth with lies and twisted exagerations mixed in, but at the end they are only claims with no real evidence to back them up. You want to deal with "speculations and claims" fine, i'll rather stick with the facts.

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Oh, and before i forget...if all the evidence to back your "claims and exagerations" have been "well hidden or destroyed", how did you get to know "these supposed secrets"?... Ever thought about that before making such claims?.... if i were you I would think twice before making another rant like the last one you did.... People might see what your rants really are, and then you might feel a bit embarrassed....


[edit on 31-12-2006 by Muaddib]

Muaddib, it is you who make claims, that my informations should be nothing as such.

For my last post all the info on the Bush Ancestors is from Wiki, you can easily check yourself. All I do is, in my judgement and million of others, to say executing Saddam in the middle of a trial is unpresidented and against ALL rules of justice.

Under given law and his atrocities known, yes if just one tenth of them is correct (and I don't doubt they are), he's worthy the most harsh sentence the law can deliver. That it happens to be capital punishment and I never can agree with that is another thing.

The issue here, you have a man on trial for a whole array of crimes and when the first one, the least "grave" of them is proven, a sentence is handed down, and you say,
-- fine, we don't wanna hear anymore, how and who set you up as producer and user of WMDs, we really don't care!

Com'on man! Who can call that "justice carried out" or "truth revealed".

As far as I've got it, they put him on trial for crimes against humanity, and proved him to have killed 148 people who had tried to kill him, and decided that'll do... as crimes against humanity.

If that's not a farce and underestimate of intelligence of people, then I don't know what humour is.

Convicted for killing 148 people, more or less in selfdefense. Crimes Against Humanity!? Hm!

No, your right Muaddib, it's not a farce, it's a tragedy.

You know where the tragedy lies? That any thinking human being can call it Justice... and even defend the puppetmaster.

As for the claims of mine, please point them out to me, and in case you didn't get it, the post was about concealing documents, because they discolor the picture they're trying to paint.

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And Muaddib --you don't mind I use your name? or what-- when you want or at least try to mock me, could you please use the quote box so I know what you're talking about. Cause I really have no idea.

[edit on 31-12-2006 by khunmoon]

The weapons inspectors were not, I repeat were not forced out in 1998 by Saddam Hussien. The Clinton administration advised them to leave before they started bombing in response to violations of the no fly zones and the shooting at U.S. planes. It is a matter of record and it is one of the Bush administrations many lies (and an easily checked one as well) in the lead up to war.

For the record, what Saddam did afterwards was to refuse to allow inspectors back in until certain ones were removed claiming, accurately it was later proved, that they weren't inspectors at all but spies for the United States.

[edit on 31-12-2006 by grover]

Originally posted by fattyp
I watched the video earlier this morning on *cough*CNN*cough* (yes, I'm guilty)... and I found a couple things to be a wee bit strange.

CNN? Strange? What a surprise! NOT!

The "executioners" were handling Saddam like he was a precious, little lamb.

You must have been watching the soundless 'official' video that was made. Your mind is making assumptions about what it is seeing without hearing what is going on. There is another video that has come out. It was taken by a witness with a cell phone during the execution and shows the entire thing - sound and all.

Saddam was NOT being treated 'like a little lamb'. The people were jeering him and taunting him ... calling for someone named Sadr (must be a Saddam enemy), someone shouted to Saddam 'damn you to hell' and Saddam shouted back the same to him. Saddam said that Iraq was nothing without him and then was saying a muslim prayer and his last word was 'Muhammed'. His prayer was cut off. While Saddam hung, the voices cheered and they said to leave him hanging for three minutes to be sure he was dead. (although his broken neck and bulging eyes, which you can see on the cell phone video, are clear indication of instant death).

No .. he wasn't treated like 'a little lamb'.