Special Forces - who's the best?

Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by D
Ok rogue 1. It is a pissing comp. But I would like to see some links or maybe some books so that you can back up all your claims. You shoot off your mouth saying this didn't happen, this did, this person is lying in his book, and crap like that. How about some evidence? And I don't accept, "I watched this TV documentary 3 years ago" and stuff like that.

I have named books in past posts, it's all there.

Try reading Ultimate Risk : SAS first contact with Al-Qaeda

The guy who is full of BS is Tom Carew, who wrote the book Jihad

These books are some amongst many.

[edit on 25-2-2005 by rogue1]

Its is against British/American/Australian/new Zeland Blah Blah Blah law to publish information regarding there countries SOF`s operational details.Any publication is severally censured.Therefore read all you want but you get about as much detail as if you imagined it yourselves.
If you want to know the info get off your butts and join the military.

I think the way they got around this was declaring them as their Memoirs, The books go too GCHQ and are heavily edited, The most recent book out based on bravo 2 zero (Can't remember the author) anyway, All proceeds of that book go too the british goverment, He fought in court for years

Originally posted by SC class 1
I think the way they got around this was declaring them as their Memoirs, The books go too GCHQ and are heavily edited, The most recent book out based on bravo 2 zero (Can't remember the author) anyway, All proceeds of that book go too the british goverment, He fought in court for years

Andy Mcnab wrote Bravo 2 Zero.
Books don`t go to GCHQ they go to the publishers who`s legal eagles decide on the content and advise on the content.The author if coming from that kinda backround will be well aware of how far the truth can be pushed and the chances of ever getting it into the public`s eyes.No proceeds from that publisher has ever gone to the govt other than the usual taxes.

Who has the best is hard to say but i've been told of a system you could say that puts forces in rank of whos the best. it goes like this T1 being best then T2, T3, T4, T5, not sure how far it goes.

I know that New Zealand, British and Candian SAS are at T1 level meaning they are the best overall.

Belive it or not but the Aussie SAS are at T2 level.

I can not comfirm this but Delta and other US forces are at T3 level, which is beliveable because they like many US forces they only train in one area.

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As for the medals that people going on about.

Many poeple are able to get the VC but because there actions were not seen by higher rank(Sirs) they are not able to get it. The VC is way harder to get than a MOH.

And let alone that trying to get a medal within the NZ,AU,UK etc... is a lot harder then the US where they throw them off the back of the truck.

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Originally posted by Run away gun
Who has the best is hard to say but i've been told of a system you could say that puts forces in rank of whos the best. it goes like this T1 being best then T2, T3, T4, T5, not sure how far it goes.

I know that New Zealand, British and Candian SAS are at T1 level meaning they are the best overall.

Belive it or not but the Aussie SAS are at T2 level.

Do you hvae a source for this assertion ?

I can't believe the ASAS are ranked below NZ - especially since we practically train them with our facilites in Australia. I would really like to see a source as this sounds like complete BS.

As for the medals that people going on about.

Many poeple are able to get the VC but because there actions were not seen by higher rank(Sirs) they are not able to get it. The VC is way harder to get than a MOH.

And let alone that trying to get a medal within the NZ,AU,UK etc... is a lot harder then the US where they throw them off the back of the truck.

Blah, the VC is not harder to get than the MOH - that is a complete load of uninformed BS. I'm sure that if you bothered to check military records over the last 100 years then you'd find the MOH per soldiers in combat is lowere than that for the VC.

You say it is harder for Aus/NZ/Brits to win medals - well, just look at how many soldiers they have fighting compred to the US - NOT MANY. As a matter of fact why you bring up NZ all the time I do not know they haven't fought for decades - gee maybe that's why it's hard to get a medal :LOL:

[edit on 12-3-2005 by rogue1]

Do I have a source for this assertion? Not right now but can find out more, as this was told by a SSgt with 19yrs of service.

Just because the NZ SAS train with the AU SAS doesn't mean anything, hell I've trained with the SAS does this mean I am as good as them. And no you don't practially train them.


As for the medal, military records don't mean anything, theres a lot more than just looking at records. Or maybe it's because UK, AU, NZ etc....... have better solidiers than the yanks and are not a bunch of cowboys.


Rather funny that you don't understand what I meant by "throw them off the back of of the truck". One reason could be you are from US or haven't got any military background.

Only said NZ twice just as much as the rest. Did you know that NZ only does peacekeeping roll these days, apart from SAS. And I wasn't only talking about current conflicts but past is well.

Originally posted by Run away gun
Do I have a source for this assertion? Not right now but can find out more, as this was told by a SSgt with 19yrs of service.

Of course you do, some more BS hearsay I bet.

Just because the NZ SAS train with the AU SAS doesn't mean anything, hell I've trained with the SAS does this mean I am as good as them. And no you don't practially train them.

Umm your point is what ? I said that the NZSAS are not as proficient as the ASAS and yes we do practically train them. They use our facilities. To say they are amongst the very best is complete BS.

As for the medal, military records don't mean anything, theres a lot more than just looking at records. Or maybe it's because UK, AU, NZ etc....... have better solidiers than the yanks and are not a bunch of cowboys.

Idiotic statement. So military records don't mean anything ? No more needed to be said.

Rather funny that you don't understand what I meant by "throw them off the back of of the truck". One reason could be you are from US or haven't got any military background.

I know exactly what you mean. You are trying to demean the medals won by US soldiers, a low act.

Only said NZ twice just as much as the rest. Did you know that NZ only does peacekeeping roll these days, apart from SAS. And I wasn't only talking about current conflicts but past is well.

So what, the NZ military is a joke, they rely on us for defense. Past conflicts ? According to you miitrary records don't count - make up your mind.


PS. I'm waitng for this magical source - oh great one

Hail to the great rogue1, with his great military knowledge.

Using facilities , how could I be sooooo stupid I see how it works now because one country doesn't have a big budget to spend on facilities and isn't that high on the list. they use another countrys facilities, so in return that would mean they aren't that great.
And no you don't practically train them and it's strange to since the NZ SAS train US,AU,UK special forces groups to, damn looks like all forces are dumb.

And it's SASR not ASAS

Oh great one, have you every tried to think outside the box.
I will take it you have no military background, which again would explain you bs replys.
And no you don't know what I mean,

As I said there is more to it than looking at military records.


Ok you win oh great rogue1, the ASAS(as you call them) are a Tier 1 level compair to other SF's which are only Tier 3, because the ASAS have facilities .

And to save your time I say it for you,

"See it was another BS hearsay because he couldn't came up with the magical source."

Originally posted by Run away gun
Hail to the great rogue1, with his great military knowledge.

Using facilities

, how could I be sooooo stupid I see how it works now because one country doesn't have a big budget to spend on facilities and isn't that high on the list. they use another countrys facilities, so in return that would mean they aren't that great.
And no you don't practically train them and it's strange to since the NZ SAS train US,AU,UK special forces groups to, damn looks like all forces are dumb.

Well, lets see if a country can't afford its own facilities, then how good could they possibly be ? Learning on foreign bases would entail usng their training regimens. And where did the NZSAS magically get all tis expertise ? What protecting NZ That's the job of the Asutralians.

And it's SASR not ASAS

Getting a bit petty are't we
And yes the ASAS ( as people confuse the SASR with the Brits ) do train the NZSAS extensively.

Oh great one, have you every tried to think outside the box.
I will take it you have no military background, which again would explain you bs replys.
And no you don't know what I mean,

As I said there is more to it than looking at military records.

Gawd, well why don't you explain yourself and stop talking in cliches. Come on more than what ? Have you ever read the citations for the VC's and MOH's. Didn't think so - you are making a ridiculous assertion that the VC is harder to get.

Ok you win oh great rogue1, the ASAS(as you call them) are a Tier 1 level compair to other SF's which are only Tier 3, because the ASAS have facilities

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And to save your time I say it for you,

"See it was another BS hearsay because he couldn't came up with the magical source."

Damn right it's BS - you don't even sound like a military person. You can talk as much BS as you want, however it's easy to see through.

From the looks of the above quote, you don't even believe yourself


[edit on 14-3-2005 by rogue1]

ROFLMAO

Get your F@#king facts right, all i see is complete BS.

Originally posted by Run away gun
ROFLMAO

Get your F@#king facts right, all i see is complete BS.

And there we have it, someone who has no idea and gets upset when he is called on it.
Gee he sounds intelligent doesn't he

Oh, since my favorite thread is back up again, I'll just come out with the answer to the original question.

Answer: I'm the best!

Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by Run away gun
ROFLMAO

Get your F@#king facts right, all i see is complete BS.

And there we have it, someone who has no idea and gets upset when he is called on it.
Gee he sounds intelligent doesn't he

Like I said ROFLMAO.
All your replys are every common of a person with a small amount of knowledge, gets upset when his countrys Defence Force is called sh#t, hasn't been in the defence force and his simple brain can't think outside the box

[edit on 15-3-2005 by Run away gun]

Well you still haven't explained yourself. Feel free to keep on drivelling - doesn't seem like anyone is taking ny notice of you. As for thinking outside the box - with reagards to what

' thinking outside the box means agreeing with your unsubstantiated and ridiculous arguments. You haven't even been in the military, so stop implying that you were

Must be tough being held back in kindergarten the last 20 years, maybe one day you'll progress and you can join the army About as far as your braincell will take you

PS. Are you dull ? Why can't you answer any of my questions ? When someone is as evasive as you, then they obviously know they are full of BS.

All you can respond with is poor sarcasm and cliches, the meaning of which you don't seem to even understand . So to sum it all up, you seem to be extremely thick. Well there is a use for your type, don't despair - I believe it's called cannon fodder

[edit on 15-3-2005 by rogue1]

My Dad and Uncle were in the army, and both now work training soldiers (not combat, educational things).

Anyhoo, my Uncle has a few former SAS mates there. They were shooting the bull about past experiences. Anyway, this guy says that after leaving the SAS, he did some work for the government. Then he clams up. Won't say another word. Alcohol weakened him, but as soon as he said that, he went sober. Didn't answer any questions.

Interesting? It sounds like there's a few things we don't know about this that and the other. The kicker would be the fact that this is the UK. I probably shouldn't be posting this, it's gonna piss on a few bonfires.

But yeah, perhaps there's a few things we don't know about...

Originally posted by rogue1

Well, lets see if a country can't afford its own facilities, then how good could they possibly be ? Learning on foreign bases would entail usng their training regimens.

And where did the NZSAS magically get all tis expertise ? What protecting NZ

That's the job of the Asutralians.

If you didn't know that the NZ Defence is currently updating its equipment over 10yrs which I belive started a couple of years back and the need for specfic facilities within the defence isn't high on the list and they don't need them.

No the NZ SAS do not get trained in AU or by AU. When they do go to AU on TRAINING EX they would use AU facilities and train with the SASR but in no way are they trained by the AU.

So when you say "Learning on foreign bases would entail usng their training regimens." How does that work, many countries go to other countries on training so would that mean they start learning new ways from there own countries, yeah I don't think so, apart from the odd trick to help life easier in the field.

Damn right it's BS - you don't even sound like a military person. You can talk as much BS as you want, however it's easy to see through.

So what does a military person sound like?

thinking outside the box means agreeing with your unsubstantiated and ridiculous arguments. You haven't even been in the military, so stop implying that you were.

Thinking outside the box is very easy term to understand but you seem to have great trouble understanding what it means. Did your parents have butter fingers because that would explain how thick you are.


Please reply ASAP, can't wait for another great reply of BS

rogue1, thanks for the book, I'll have a look for that one at the bookstore next time I go.

It'd be good though if you didn't call every post you disagree with BS. If you disagree with them just let them know where you disagree. No need to escalate a discussion into anything stupid. I'm sure everyone here is old enough and mature enough to be able to take sensible criticism about facts they present and present their own side. Quit with the "that's BS" routine. Makes the forum a nicer place.

Originally posted by D
rogue1, thanks for the book, I'll have a look for that one at the bookstore next time I go.

No probs. If you're going to the bookshop then have a look for this book Taskforce Dagger : The hunt for Bin Laden by Robin Moore. Yes, the same author who wrote the classic book The Green Berets . Anyway he has composed this book from the accounts of numerous Green Berets who were the first into Afghanistan to work with the different warlords. A great insight into how the first month of the war in Afganistan was fought.

Another good book if you haven't all ready is Soldier Five, it's a every good read.

Originally posted by Run away gun
Another good book if you haven't all ready is Soldier Five, it's a every good read.

Is that book a real personal account,journalistic account or fiction based on loosely on fact?