Special Forces - who's the best?

I'm not contesting the point that it was the SAS/SBS whoever. I'm saying that no SAS/SBS soldier has ever been awarded a MOH that is all.

Originally posted by rogue1
I'm not contesting the point that it was the SAS/SBS whoever. I'm saying that no SAS/SBS soldier has ever been awarded a MOH that is all.

There seems to be controversy surrounding it.....infact....it seems it was a joint US/UK team that went in 16 men.
The NCO in charge was american so he got the MOH, hmmm ah i can understand where this gets confused...

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by rogue1
I'm not contesting the point that it was the SAS/SBS whoever. I'm saying that no SAS/SBS soldier has ever been awarded a MOH that is all.

There seems to be controversy surrounding it.....infact....it seems it was a joint US/UK team that went in 16 men.
The NCO in charge was american so he got the MOH, hmmm ah i can understand where this gets confused...

Hmmm, no American soldier has been awarded a MOH since Somalia.

Originally posted by rogue1
Hmmm, no American soldier has been awarded a MOH since Somalia.

Holy crap this is really screwed up.....your right...hang on I'm going to look into this...

Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by rogue1
Ummm....nah. The Medal of Honor was never awarded to an SAS/SBS soldier - NEVER !!!

The only British soldier to recieve a MOH is the Unknown Soldier just as the Brits have awarded a VC to the US Unknown Soldier.

That , "unkown soldier" IS a SBS NCO in charge of the 6 man patrol (sorry for messing up the number..got the book here the now.)
It happened ,at Qala-i-Jangi.

Umm NO

the unknown soildier is all the soldiers who have fallen during war but have never been identified. I don't what you're talking about the SBS being an unknown soldier, but no SBS soldier was ever awarded a MOH - NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!

You still are trumpeting this with absolutely no proof - no doubt you've been desperately trolling the net to find some reference to it - but ibviously you have found none. So why persist with this obvious fallacy ?

Guys and girlies.If today you picked up the telephone and rang the MOD about SAS/SBS actions in Afganistan or for that matter any Special Operations you would be told that the SAS/SBS don`t excist and any operations that you tried to disscus never excisted.Therefore to discuss who has or hasn`t been awarded medals is all media hype based on guess work.Anything discussed hear by any former or currant serving SF members (l bet there arn`t any hear only wannabies) that is factual would be contrevining the OSA. All Special Operations are strictly Top Secret and members arn`t the type who feel the need to shout there mouths of on the net.

Originally posted by weirdo

Guys and girlies.If today you picked up the telephone and rang the MOD about SAS/SBS actions in Afganistan or for that matter any Special Operations you would be told that the SAS/SBS don`t excist and any operations that you tried to disscus never excisted.Therefore to discuss who has or hasn`t been awarded medals is all media hype based on guess work.Anything discussed hear by any former or currant serving SF members (l bet there arn`t any hear only wannabies) that is factual would be contrevining the OSA. All Special Operations are strictly Top Secret and members arn`t the type who feel the need to shout there mouths of on the net.

You are so profound. It doesn't change the fact that if there was a MOH awarded especially to a foreigner then it would be public knowlege - simpole as that.
Also we hear about Special Operations all the time, so once again you are wrong.

You are so profound. It doesn't change the fact that if there was a MOH awarded especially to a foreigner then it would be public knowlege - simpole as that.
Also we hear about Special Operations all the time, so once again you are wrong.

For that fact a Medal of Honour wouldn`t be awarded to a member of a foreign SF`s as soon as the CO was informed of the posibility it would be stopped.VC awarded to SF members are not made public as with any medals awarded to British SF.
We may hear about S Op`s all the time but that dosn`t make them real or factual.Andy MacNab has helped to prove that.

Originally posted by weirdo
For that fact a Medal of Honour wouldn`t be awarded to a member of a foreign SF`s as soon as the CO was informed of the posibility it would be stopped.VC awarded to SF members are not made public as with any medals awarded to British SF.

And you know this how exactly ? There are quite a few listings of SAS men who've won the VC. The more likely scenario is that the Brit SF's have done nothing deserving of a VC in the last 20 years. Besides the US wuld never award the MOH to a Brit anyway - except of course the Unknown Soldier for symbolism.

We may hear about S Op`s all the time but that dosn`t make them real or factual.Andy MacNab has helped to prove that.

Well, B20 is a load of BS - after the first 50 pages you could tell it was a ' story '. How people could take it at face value I don't know. Same with Tom Carew and his book, another person who claims he was in Afghanistan in '81 with the SAS.

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by rogue1
Hmmm, no American soldier has been awarded a MOH since Somalia.

Holy crap this is really screwed up.....your right...hang on I'm going to look into this...

The dry spell is over. It has been quite a while since the MOH has been given out.

Before Iraq, the last combat action in which the Medal of Honor was awarded was Somalia in October 1993
Smith was killed by enemy fire in Iraq nearly two years ago. His tenacity, passion and bravery have earned him the nation's highest award for courage in combat, the Medal of Honor.

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Read about the brave actions of Paul Ray Smith here.

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Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by weirdo
For that fact a Medal of Honour wouldn`t be awarded to a member of a foreign SF`s as soon as the CO was informed of the posibility it would be stopped.VC awarded to SF members are not made public as with any medals awarded to British SF.

And you know this how exactly ? There are quite a few listings of SAS men who've won the VC. The more likely scenario is that the Brit SF's have done nothing deserving of a VC in the last 20 years. Besides the US wuld never award the MOH to a Brit anyway - except of course the Unknown Soldier for symbolism.

We may hear about S Op`s all the time but that dosn`t make them real or factual.Andy MacNab has helped to prove that.

Well, B20 is a load of BS - after the first 50 pages you could tell it was a ' story '. How people could take it at face value I don't know. Same with Tom Carew and his book, another person who claims he was in Afghanistan in '81 with the SAS.

All British SF personnel are picked not just for there physical abilities and soldiering skills but also for there ability to keep there mouths closed there heads down and blend into the back ground not just for operational reasons but also when out on the p*** they don`t want every s***e digger trying it on, as well as family security.There very nature means that they don`t do the job for some shiney piece of tin.
There are medals awarded to SF what they are or for what who no`s,they may not have VC`s recently they may have,the most important item for a newly badged trooper is the club he has become a member of not any future recognition.

The VC is one of the hardest if not the hardest to get, there will be only another 52 made, last time i checked.
Also in korea , a major war, there was only 1 VC.

Originally posted by weirdo

All British SF personnel are picked not just for there physical abilities and soldiering skills but also for there ability to keep there mouths closed there heads down and blend into the back ground not just for operational reasons but also when out on the p*** they don`t want every s***e digger trying it on, as well as family security.There very nature means that they don`t do the job for some shiney piece of tin.
There are medals awarded to SF what they are or for what who no`s,they may not have VC`s recently they may have,the most important item for a newly badged trooper is the club he has become a member of not any future recognition.

These are the qualities shown by all SF's not just the Brits. Please the Brits aren't superior in any way to other major units.

Originally posted by devilwasp
The VC is one of the hardest if not the hardest to get, there will be only another 52 made, last time i checked.
Also in korea , a major war, there was only 1 VC.

Thr Brit contribution was tiny in Korea compared to the Americans.

Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by devilwasp
The VC is one of the hardest if not the hardest to get, there will be only another 52 made, last time i checked.
Also in korea , a major war, there was only 1 VC.

Thr Brit contribution was tiny in Korea compared to the Americans.

And what does the the British contribution to Vietnam have to do with the VC being awarded? You gotta stop turning everything into a pissing competition.

Originally posted by D

Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by devilwasp
The VC is one of the hardest if not the hardest to get, there will be only another 52 made, last time i checked.
Also in korea , a major war, there was only 1 VC.

Thr Brit contribution was tiny in Korea compared to the Americans.

And what does the the British contribution to Vietnam have to do with the VC being awarded? You gotta stop turning everything into a pissing competition.

Devilwasp was pointing out that the VC is harder to get than the MOH based on numbers awarded. I was merely pointing out that the US has seen far more combat threfore they have awarded more MOH's than VC's.

Dude look at the title of the thread, it was a pissing competition as soon as it was posted. Get over it, or don't bother posting GAWD.

Originally posted by rogue1
Thr Brit contribution was tiny in Korea compared to the Americans.

I dont remember the USA saying, "no we dont need you, go home.", did i miss this press statement?

The british VC is the hardest if you compare it to the MOH, in WW2 one man went into 3 fire fights out gunned, manned and often alone and even then he STILL wasnt in line for the VC. Hell the man was fireing a mortor at the enemy from the hip horizontaly.

There was a show on him and one of the german soldiers remarked he looked like the angel of death walking towards the germans with wounds over his body, covered in soot and fireing a mortor from the hip.

Cant remember his name....will look for it when i get home...it was at normandy though...

These are the qualities shown by all SF's not just the Brits. Please the Brits aren't superior in any way to other major units.

Yes we are.

Originally posted by LazerLordz
How do you guys rate Singapore's SOF?

There pretty good they did a succesfull hostage rescue operation on march 26 1991. Five minutes was all the four pakastani terrorist's that hijacked the singapore airlines plane gave to the authorities, if their demands were not met they said they would start killing a hostage every 10 minutes. Barely three minutes had gone by when the order was given to the SOF to storm the plane. The commandos went in at 6 50 AM and in 30 seconds it was all over, the four hijackers were dead and none of the 123 hostages wer inured. For their bravery they were awarded the medal of valor and a unit citiation.

Ok rogue 1. It is a pissing comp. But I would like to see some links or maybe some books so that you can back up all your claims. You shoot off your mouth saying this didn't happen, this did, this person is lying in his book, and crap like that. How about some evidence? And I don't accept, "I watched this TV documentary 3 years ago" and stuff like that.

Originally posted by D
Ok rogue 1. It is a pissing comp. But I would like to see some links or maybe some books so that you can back up all your claims. You shoot off your mouth saying this didn't happen, this did, this person is lying in his book, and crap like that. How about some evidence? And I don't accept, "I watched this TV documentary 3 years ago" and stuff like that.

I have named books in past posts, it's all there.

Try reading Ultimate Risk : SAS first contact with Al-Qaeda

The guy who is full of BS is Tom Carew, who wrote the book Jihad

These books are some amongst many.

[edit on 25-2-2005 by rogue1]