If Being Gay is alright in the eyes of God then.....

And the same people who use the Bible to condem gays, most often say that masturbation is also condemned in the Law, in the story about Onan. This also shows their limited knowledge and lack of understanding. They simply don't know the Law. The reason God condemned Onan, wasn't simply because of the physical act that he "jumped off" and thereby spilt his semen. The reason he was condemned, was that he didn't give his brother offspring which he was commited to by the Law, since his brother died childless. The Law says that is a man dies childless, his brother or his nearest member of the family on his father's side is obligated to sleep with his widdow, and the first male child shall be reaconed as her late husband's heir. There are no laws against masturbation in the Bible. But there are laws for lying and leading children astray.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 5-2-2004 by Hamilton]

Them there gays are all going to hell for what they been doing to god........but then I retained my sanity.

What I don't get is why homosexuals would want to enter into an agreement under an organization that considers them 'unnatural'. I can see the urge to get married under the state/goverment, but why such a religion?

The only reason that Gay's wish to be married is so that they can feel justified by Religion as well as government. They want to feel as if what they are doing is natural and they want the rest of the world to justify it. Otherwise they could give a crap less about getting married.

Originally posted by BlackJackal
The only reason that Gay's wish to be married is so that they can feel justified by Religion as well as government. They want to feel as if what they are doing is natural and they want the rest of the world to justify it. Otherwise they could give a crap less about getting married.

Well, I guess that is good enough for me. Thanks,

uh let me think about it a while........

(thinking)

My answer: Hell no.

The only reason that Gay's wish to be married is so that they can feel justified by Religion as well as government. They want to feel as if what they are doing is natural and they want the rest of the world to justify it. Otherwise they could give a crap less about getting married.

Why do people marry in the first place?

I think you should all listen to what hamilton has to say.

Deep

You wanna use the bible? That's fine. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were gay like male maximum security prisoners are gay. It's about complete sexual debauchery, having sex with men and women, having sex with men to dominate them, it's about violence and the interconnectedness of all banal lusts and appetites.

Originally posted by hexagramfifty
it's about violence and the interconnectedness of all banal lusts and appetites.

Sooo.....where do I sign up?

Originally posted by hexagramfifty
The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were gay like male maximum security prisoners are gay.

In other words: There weren't more gays in Sodom than you would find in any other city. Well maybe a little more, since they infact tolerated them there. If you read Ezekiel I think it is where God lists up the iniquities of Sodom, homosexuality isn't even mentioned. Howeve God finish his list by adding: And they worked abominations before me. Here we get another clue as of why God hated the sexual acts of Sodom: They did it before the altar in the presence of the divine. For God's sake, if I was God and they chose to celebrate me by forcing young girls to be screwed by calves in the temple.... Well I would have destroyed them. No remorse.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 5-2-2004 by Hamilton]

I think that everyone should be excepted regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, or anything. We are all humans, and all diserve equal rights. If someone is going to use the Bible to hurt the case for gay ppl to get rights, then they should also own slaves- slavery is in the bible. Also, women are abused in the Bible, they hadve equal rights now.

I'm straight, but not narrow. I think that if the world was more accepting, we wouldn't have half the turmoil we have now.

Originally posted by Valedamar
I'm straight, but not narrow.

Kudos! Clever line!

Will some of you commonsensical people explain to me how what one does with their genitalia entitles them to any other special rights outside of common law??

When did SEX in any form (deviant or otherwise) become a vehicle for entitlement and special consideration??

And if I hear one link to Blacks in America I will puke on this board and ruin it!!

..a little food for the state of others rights!

Company's 'Tolerance' Clause Prompts Religious Discrimination Lawsuit
By Melanie Hunter
CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor
February 18, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - A Denver man is suing AT&T Broadband after he was fired for refusing to sign off on "tolerance" portions of the company's employee handbook that he felt violated his religious beliefs.

www.cnsnews.com.../Culture/archive/200402/CUL20040218a.html

Originally posted by BlackJackal
The only reason that Gay's wish to be married is so that they can feel justified by Religion as well as government. They want to feel as if what they are doing is natural and they want the rest of the world to justify it. Otherwise they could give a crap less about getting married.

This is crap and you know it. Gays wanting to marry is about commitment in the eyes of the law not god. God has very little to do with it. Think before you make ignorant comments. Married couples are able to visit each oher in the hospital...make decisions regarding health care...etc....gay couples CANNOT. That is what it is about.

Originally posted by Garon

Originally posted by BlackJackal
The only reason that Gay's wish to be married is so that they can feel justified by Religion as well as government. They want to feel as if what they are doing is natural and they want the rest of the world to justify it. Otherwise they could give a crap less about getting married.

This is crap and you know it. Gays wanting to marry is about commitment in the eyes of the law not god. God has very little to do with it. Think before you make ignorant comments. Married couples are able to visit each oher in the hospital...make decisions regarding health care...etc....gay couples CANNOT. That is what it is about.

No, it is not crap. that you can not respect the belief in God in others labels you the bigot you say others to be.
To call the poster ignorant for a legitamate opinion that did not flame, labels you as ignorant.

Gay couples can designate lawful wills and beneficiaries the last time I checked under the law???

Anyone you want can come see you in the hospital..................................................

Originally posted by Tyriffic
Will some of you commonsensical people explain to me how what one does with their genitalia entitles them to any other special rights outside of common law??

When did SEX in any form (deviant or otherwise) become a vehicle for entitlement and special consideration??

Why would what a straight person does with their genitalia, justify giving them special treatment and entitlements which are denied to others?

Gay people who wish to be married are not asking for permission to do something nobody else gets to do. They are asking for the right to do the SAME thing that everybody else gets to do. That is not special treatment, it's equality! What additional rights have they asked for, that are above and beyond the rights of any other "normal" person?

Originally posted by BlackJackal
The only reason that Gay's wish to be married is so that they can feel justified by Religion as well as government. They want to feel as if what they are doing is natural and they want the rest of the world to justify it. Otherwise they could give a crap less about getting married.

So you have spoken with all the gay couple's wishing to marry and they have told you that it's all about easing their conscience by getting the religious community to justify their "unnatural" love for each other, and if it weren't for that they wouldn't care? It's not at all possible that they want to get married for the same reasons that straight people get married? That maybe they always dreamed of falling in love and getting married, like other people do? Are you implying that homosexual people cannot be religious? That all of the gay people who are active in their churches and who claim to love their God, are really just pretending?

How is it that you have been granted such wisdom and insight into the hearts and minds of the homosexual community? They sure are lucky to have someone, who knows what they really think and feel, that is willing to pass those insights on to the rest of us! Tell me, do you have as much sagacity when it comes to the straight population?

Originally posted by jezebel

Originally posted by Tyriffic
Will some of you commonsensical people explain to me how what one does with their genitalia entitles them to any other special rights outside of common law??

When did SEX in any form (deviant or otherwise) become a vehicle for entitlement and special consideration??

Why would what a straight person does with their genitalia, justify giving them special treatment and entitlements which are denied to others?

Gay people who wish to be married are not asking for permission to do something nobody else gets to do. They are asking for the right to do the SAME thing that everybody else gets to do. That is not special treatment, it's equality! What additional rights have they asked for, that are above and beyond the rights of any other "normal" person?

Originally posted by BlackJackal
The only reason that Gay's wish to be married is so that they can feel justified by Religion as well as government. They want to feel as if what they are doing is natural and they want the rest of the world to justify it. Otherwise they could give a crap less about getting married.

So you have spoken with all the gay couple's wishing to marry and they have told you that it's all about easing their conscience by getting the religious community to justify their "unnatural" love for each other, and if it weren't for that they wouldn't care? It's not at all possible that they want to get married for the same reasons that straight people get married? That maybe they always dreamed of falling in love and getting married, like other people do? Are you implying that homosexual people cannot be religious? That all of the gay people who are active in their churches and who claim to love their God, are really just pretending?

How is it that you have been granted such wisdom and insight into the hearts and minds of the homosexual community? They sure are lucky to have someone, who knows what they really think and feel, that is willing to pass those insights on to the rest of us! Tell me, do you have as much sagacity when it comes to the straight population?

1. Straight people, i.e., those who are correct, have no need to petition for given rights by law, God and natural order in this world.
The genitalias of men and women were meant obviously to conjoin unlike that of women and women and men and men. The anus is not a vehicle for Life.
Sorry!

Your argument is specious at best.

Gays clamour for political power. Many gays regard this thrust for marriage as detrimental to the cause. How do you explain this thought?
Do you think gays will be welcomed as married couples like straights? I doubt that the stigma will fade- I think it will increase the focus on the stigma instead, making the unseemly even more distasteful in the eyes of those already inclined to think so.

Originally posted by Tyriffic
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This is crap and you know it. Gays wanting to marry is about commitment in the eyes of the law not god. God has very little to do with it. Think before you make ignorant comments. Married couples are able to visit each oher in the hospital...make decisions regarding health care...etc....gay couples CANNOT. That is what it is about.

No, it is not crap. that you can not respect the belief in God in others labels you the bigot you say others to be.
To call the poster ignorant for a legitamate opinion that did not flame, labels you as ignorant.

Gay couples can designate lawful wills and beneficiaries the last time I checked under the law???

Anyone you want can come see you in the hospital..................................................

I didn't say anything about belief in God and I will thank you for reading my posts before attempting to discredit what I said. I did not say the poster was ignorant i said his post was ignorant, BlackJackal is a very bright guy. He has some great posts on other threads. This isn't one of them. Also, not anyone can come see you in the hospital. In most cases strictly family, spouse etc can visit or get any type of information. Gay people want to get married so that they have the same legal rights that straight married couples do. We want to be recognized under the law as a marriage.

[Edited on 3-10-2004 by Garon]

The bible clearly states several times Homosexuality is a "detestable sin", "destestable to God"

If you regard the bible as the truth. then you would agree. If you dont then this shouldnt matter to you!

Though many bible christians are conserned how the quality of the earth is falling under sin.

The bible says to be actively gay is wrong, If you felt gay feelings but did not carry them out that would not be wrong. Huge arguements have been made inside the anglican church due to this. If a priest was to be activly sinning how can he lead a church when he himself is delibratly sinning.

Just say no!!! Please, for the love of god!!! The last thing we need on Earth is a bunch of flaming homos trying to marry each other.

Mr. M