If Being Gay is alright in the eyes of God then.....

I personally think 'the church' should be concentrating
on prosecuting the pedophiles in it's ranks.
I don't spell pedophile with a cap' P...
they don't deserve it
S.

yeah its kind of funny how the xians are running around like they are experts on marriage and how it should be as if they were the first people to pratice the custom when infact they are the "jhony come latelys" in this case as there are many other religeons older then xianity that were not only practiceing the custom but also allowed for homosexual marriage.

lets look at the christains wedding custom for a sec, they mount a ring on the finger of venus which originated in greece to honor the greek goddess and is a form of Chiromancy.

not only that but the ring was also a protective talisman to ward off evil, are christains supposed to be practiceing such arts? isnt that witchcraft? lol

the point is the tradition wasnt christain to begin with so its not theirs to defend.
and the bible isnt your "win the debate for free card" I can teach a parrot to spew verses from the bible so that isnt very impressive to me when I see people do it.

one last interesting thing is that a christain organisation (barna) set out to prove that religion reduces divorce rates, it winds up being christains have a higher divorce rate then athiests do.

so if your the keepers and protectors of this tradtion your not doing a very good job at it lol

well what about the noahs ark story[(c)] so we cant really take anything the bible says seriously...not anybody that actually thinks for themselves anyway

www.answersingenesis.org...

this link should help. The flood did happen btw, however much you wish it didnt the evidence shows us it happened.

Why believe in something, thats sprouted out of the minds of [maybe mad] people ?

It was written by people. it was given to them by God. It propasises the future

The bible is the most acurate history book of all time, not one part can be prooved untrue, although there are a few unimportant mistranslationsn (these make up about a page out of 1300 pages).

Christians are the ones doing the persecuting in the Western world.

Wrong religious people are, theres a difference. Look at the bible, Jesus did not like the pharasees, they were the religious people whobthought themselves better than everyone, but he went round with the outcasts.

Also please explan the 200% increase in the number of gay's during the period of 1990-present. Is it that kids are now exposed to some sort of outside agent that makes them gay that was not around for the past 3000 years?

Its considered ok now- people are more open about it.

and i can see they brainwashed you too, *see below for star*

no one is trying to brainwash anybody.

quote:
"God hasn't destroyed San Francisco, so guess he don't care... "

He cares, he cares. Thats why he hasnt destroyed it, he is a God of love.

I WILL STAND AND DEFEND GOD,LIBERTY, MARRIAGE, AND THE MOST SACRED, THE FAMILY!

how is the family more sacred than God. Theres taking a stand and leading an assult, quite frankly all youve been spewing is hate towards gays.

There are way to may pages to read.

The bible says to hate sin but to love the person who does it.

I believe being gay is wrong in the eyes of God, however that does not mean I should hate them.Being gay is no different than shouting at parents, theyre both sin. I have no right to judge only God has, im sorry for all you reading this who see some christians persecuting gays. that is wrong.

I believe marage to be sacred and seeing as it makes promises to God i cant see how its right that gays should get married. I do not hate them, I dont agree with what they are doing.

Originally posted by Adrianay
The bible is the most acurate history book of all time, not one part can be prooved untrue.

Nor can it be proven true any more then a Dr. Sussie book. I truely believe that Horton heard a who, but that does not believe that it actually happened.

Nor can it be proven true any more then a Dr. Sussie book. I truely believe that Horton heard a who, but that does not believe that it actually happened.

It had to happen because Dr. suess is the infalable word God therefore correct 100% of the time regaurdless what logic and common sense might tell you.

What more proof do you need you heaten Bastard....LOL

Here's just a simple thought...


THE BIBLE ISN'T TRUE!!!

Just maybe, ya know...

[Edited on 15-3-2004 by Thorfinn Skullsplitter]

All of the research and debate that has gone into 'what makes a person gay' would have been much better suited to things like, 'what makes a person a bigot', or 'what makes a person condemn others in the name of a book'.



[Edited on 15-3-2004 by Joseph Knecht]

THE BIBLE ISN'T TRUE!!!

try backing that up.

Nor can it be proven true

Actually a lot of it can. for a long time they believed Acts to be worng because it mentioned a roman emperor that didnt exist. only a few decades ago they found information of this man.

History points to the flood.
The bible gives us archeological evidence of places. and historical records of kings e.t.c which can be backed up with other books.

A book that can be backed up, backs up itself, never once contradicts, is extreamly well translated considering its age e.t.c, has never been prooven wrong once, has been proven correct many times cannot just be considered a fairy tale. its ilogical

Originally posted by Adrianay

THE BIBLE ISN'T TRUE!!!

try backing that up.

Nor can it be proven true

Actually a lot of it can. for a long time they believed Acts to be worng because it mentioned a roman emperor that didnt exist. only a few decades ago they found information of this man.

History points to the flood.
The bible gives us archeological evidence of places. and historical records of kings e.t.c which can be backed up with other books.

A book that can be backed up, backs up itself, never once contradicts, is extreamly well translated considering its age e.t.c, has never been prooven wrong once, has been proven correct many times cannot just be considered a fairy tale. its ilogical

The New Testament was edited and added too, by many Scribes.
S.

Nor can it be proven true

History points to the flood.
The bible gives us archeological evidence of places. and historical records of kings e.t.c which can be backed up with other books.

A book that can be backed up, backs up itself, never once contradicts, is extreamly well translated considering its age e.t.c, has never been prooven wrong once, has been proven correct many times cannot just be considered a fairy tale. its ilogical

as for the flood its said to have happened arround 2350-2400, bc the bible doesnt give an exact date.
in wich durring that time,
2350 BC: religious texts are inscribed in the burial chamber of pharoah Unas/Wenis
babylon
2350 Akkadians record solar & lunar eclipses according to tablets of Sargon of Akkad. Sargon summarizes astrological records of his era into 70 tablets. His heirs add their findings to this data base and call it the Namman-Bel
The earliest known record of exchange is around 2400 BC between Mesopotamia and Egypt.

so as you see the world was as buisy as it ever was durring the time it was suposedly under water lol

as for the flood its said to have happened arround 2350-2400

I think it happened a bit before this time, imn not sure.

People in the past dated things from kings, not years. for example in isaiah it says in the 40th yr of king ussiah... This means we can never be entirely sure on the exact dates in B.C history.

Also carbon dating can be used

this is taken from answersingenesis.org

First published in The Revised and Expanded Answers Book
Chapter 4

How does the carbon �clock� work? Is it reliable? What does carbon dating really show? What about other radiometric dating methods? Is there evidence that the earth is young?


People who ask about carbon-14 (14C) dating usually want to know about the radiometric1 dating methods that are claimed to give millions and billions of years�carbon dating can only give thousands of years. People wonder how millions of years could be squeezed into the biblical account of history.

Clearly, such huge time periods cannot be fitted into the Bible without compromising what the Bible says about the goodness of God and the origin of sin, death and suffering�the reason Jesus came into the world.

Christians, by definition, take the statements of Jesus Christ seriously. He said, �But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female� (Mark 10:6). This only makes sense with a time-line beginning with the creation week thousands of years ago. It makes no sense at all if man appeared at the end of billions of years.

......

Conclusion
There are many lines of evidence that the radiometric dates are not the objective evidence for an old earth that many claim, and that the world is really only thousands of years old. We don't have all the answers, but we do have the sure testimony of the Word of God to the true history of the world.


Dating is very hard to be precise on, the flood is extreamly likely. (alythough this is diversing from the subject this thread should be about.)


[Edited on 20-3-2004 by ProudAmerican]

Originally posted by Adrianay

THE BIBLE ISN'T TRUE!!!

try backing that up.

Trying back up it's validity.

Old Testament and New Testament. There ya go. That alone is proof enough for me that it's not true...

hey Adrianay no need to paste a whole website when all you got to do is post the link. and yes I know what website its from because I have been thru there before

the point is during any date around the time the flood was supposed to cover the earth and I can find proof from other sources it didnt.

the main point is the tradition of marriage did not belong to the christains to begin with and nor are they any good at upholding it as they have the highest divorce rate compared to athiests.

now if you want to believe in that stuff fine I have no problem with that what I do have a problem is when you try to force this a life style on others because you think yours is right.

no one is going to force you to abandon your life style and marry the same sex.

Religion, at its best, provides its believers with a means to improve themselves and their lives by providing a framework of relating to the Divine. Lifestyle choices are between the individual and his/her God/dess. Live your life as best as you can, and leave judging to the Gods.

Originally posted by sirCyco
if youd read the Bible you would see that the world is chaos, (even more than you may think now.)

so when exactly was the world not in chaos??? the garden of eden?? oh wait..according to the bible man #ed that one up right from the beginning...

Chaos existed in heaven way before Eden was created. There was unrest in heaven, a war to be exact. Angels were cast out.

Interesting that people think about going to that peaceful place of rest when they die!

All aspiring to go there, but not in a hurry to get there. Life as we know it may be all that we have. We just don't know. Hang onto it as long as you can, accept that death my be the "end" No biggie. I am perfectly content to have experienced my life no matter how bad it could be.

Life after death is a beautiful idea, but its not a fact.

Otherwise we would have no use for faith. We must have faith in things that we "hope" for and cannot be proved.

To all of you bible thumping fanatics:
No one is saying you are not entitled to your opinions! You are just as entitled as I am. I happen to be a huge supporter of gay (civil) rights. For those of you that are quoting scripture I have a few things to ask you�
1.) Do you believe that minorities are less than whites? For years people used the bible to justify slavery. So, if you abide by the word of the bible shouldn�t you endorse slavery?
2.) Do you believe that women are less than men? For years people used the bible to justify the oppression of women.
3.) Do you believe that unruly children should be executed? The bible says that is okay.
The bible has been used for years to justify oppression and slavery. It seems that that trend is continuing today with homosexuality.

Just because the Bible was used to "justify" all those things doesn't mean God thinks it's right. The Bible contains many metaphorical passages that can mean many things, and back then they had a different way of speaking. The people who used the Bible to "justify" most likely took the words out of context/exaggerated them.

God never said being a homosexual was alright. Where the hell did you come up with that?

My God is loving and forgiving. He doesn't prefer Christians over Muslims or any other religion. He doesn't hate Gays for bing born different anymore then he would hate someone born blind or with Down Syndrome. We are the ones intolerant. We fear our differences. Don't use religion for an excuse to hate.

Originally posted by dollmonster
Don't use religion for an excuse to hate.

Too many people here are doing this. On what do you base your religiously charged hating of this minority on our planet?

Does the bible actually mention that those two cities were destroyed because they were gay cities?

I've noticed nothing in those versus about gay is a sin.