Uk and Guns

Originally posted by neformore
This is why guns were banned in the UK to the extent that they are..

Hungerford Massacre

It was a bloody awful event that actually shook the whole nation and I for one have no qualms whatsover about the action taken because of it.

I think it is safe to say that Americans will easily trade 17 dead and 15 wounded for a nation chock full o' guns.

That's just how we roll over here.

Good luck during the breakout.

Originally posted by CRB86
Guns are one of the subjects that two US and the UK will never, ever agree on. We should probably stop trying!

A few points though:

We've never had a gun culture comparable to the US. I often see American posters on here talking about how the government took "our" guns, as if every home was packing heat before and now there's a big empty gun cabinet covered in dust. A very small percentage of the population owned guns before the Hungerford massacre, and now that number is even smaller.

Getting a gun in the UK is actually fairly easy. As i've often said on here, my house has a shotgun in the attic. It was my dad's from when he used to live on a farm. The police come round every 5 years and check it. He's never been a part of the gun club, and he has no real reason to have one anymore. We now live in the suburbs of Birmingham -The reason most people don't have a gun, is because most people don't want one.

There's no bears or cougars to protect yourself from in Britain.

Lots of people in the countryside still have guns. A stroll through the beautiful countryside of North Worcestershire on a sunday will often be accompanied by the popping of shotguns in the distance.

You believe guns ensure your freedom. That's fine. I prefer voting.

You can vote man, I'll vote too, but in my gun cabinet, ready to rock and roll will be some of my little friends if TSHTF.

Points to note:

In Paris when a Richard Durns goes on a spree killing and wastes 8 councillers wounds and maims dozens in number with 2 machine-pistols you don't see the supposed 'weak' French people outlawing handguns or semi-auto rifles.

The UK isn't the worst place for firearm ownership (I think Japan and China have that honour) but it could be a lot better.

The reason gun ownership is such a small thing (at the moment) is because the ptb have made it as hard as possible for the little-man to own firearms.
I'm not too bad as I've a decent income and manage my cash well.

If you want to own a rifle or 'longarm' pistol then you have to join a gun-club (money), travel back and forth (money) to said club in order to keep your membership live. Then you need to install a gun-cabinet (money) most people may not be capable of installing it into solid brickwork with masonry bolts so have to pay a guy to come and do it (money).
Then you've got the police who say whether he's done a good enough job and if it's to be 'approved' or not.
The license itself is £100 or so (shotgun and rifle).
Ammunition for the weapon is expensive, although .22 calibre and reloading larger ammo helps.
The more UK gunowners the better as it shows that the populous is less likely to be sheep and roll over for big government to come stomping in

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If it does hit the fan, I want to be in a comunity that sticks together, rather than be alone and act out a lone gunman instict..

Tho this gov likes to undermine those types of communities.. depend on nanny, and nanny knows best... when nanny knows sod all...

A community that sticks together with gunmen in their ranks will be a fortress of safety.
Farmers in the UK already know this.
In the UK the lone gunmen will be usually criminals or gangs.
The UK gunowners will be in the best position to support and help each other out, especially good people in trouble.

reply to post by WatchRider


That's the thing tho isn't it.. a lot of rural communities do stick together.. that mix is what makes them safer...

Talking of fortresses.. even now, my way, Cliffe declares itself an independent kingdom each year (fun days, with many drinking games) but this is not a small group of people sticking 2 fingers up at the globalists and the government, but rather a whole community doing it..

It is those rural communities that are best placed to survive intact (they also have guns).. since they already able to pull together and help each other out. I feel for anyone stuck in a city if anything hits the fan.. chaos in no time.



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reply to post by The Wave


Why not ban people?

They are the killers behind the gun.

Oh... so that is what Climatologists and Eugenicists are on about!

reply to post by DeusEx



Same problem here in The Netherlands when Situation X happens. How can you defend your family and belongings.....a cross-bow is a good alternative. Some handheld cross-bows shoot straight through a lunatic who doesn't believe you.



[edit on 5-2-2010 by zatara]

Details what happened in the UK and Australia during the wave of gun bans in the 1990s and early 2000s.



Use them or lose them, make your voice heard if there's talk of more regulation and useless bans on guns.

Well i'm sorry but who needs a gun really in the UK!??

I was a soldier in HMF's & became a marksman whilst in the forces, & to be honest a gun is only as good as its owner/operator & really there isn't much need for joe civilian to arm themselves here....ok there is the terrorists to be worried about...but how will a gun help you against a bomber!???...please by the time you know he's a bomber its way to late!! (BOOM!!)

& should the SHTF well good old English know how will prevail i'm sure....we have some seriously imaginative people here so i'd say expect the very weird & unexpected to be flying your way in a fire fight.

Take my post else where here.....Golfball launchers, handmade flamethrowers & steam cannons.....& thats just me

reply to post by Rogueduke


You should learn American Constitution and WHY they gave the right to people to own guns.

Why!??...i can kill someone without a gun!!

reply to post by Rogueduke


The SHTF scenario is government elements tearing you a new one whilst wearing a bullet proof vest and armour.

I'd like to see how a 'golf' ball can defend against that.

Ever been hit by a golf ball????....now imagine it really travelling....but if your on about the Gov ripping us off thats been going on for years...but i think its getting close to crunch time, what with the economy going the way its been predicted to

But then again Americas economy seems to be going down the same route just faster lol

reply to post by Rogueduke


Maybe rogueduke would be ok but not everyone would have the resources to build such things.

UNless you are suggesting that people start preparing now....

[edit on 5-2-2010 by Jinni]

Originally posted by Rogueduke
Ever been hit by a golf ball????....now imagine it really travelling....

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


LOL!!!!! Awesome! not exactly what i had in mind but still very good

Originally posted by Jinni
reply to post by Rogueduke

 

The SHTF scenario is government elements tearing you a new one whilst wearing a bullet proof vest and armour.

I'd like to see how a 'golf' ball can defend against that.

I'd say The SHTF scenario is when there is a total break down of government. Everyman for himself, no police or Army to instill order.

I dont believe the government plans to round us up in to any thing like fema camps or anything like that.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Thats exactly what i was aiming for...should the Gov fail & the SHTF what you gonna do if you can't get weapons or ammo & you want to even out the odds against anyone who may have the advantage of a firearm!?

Got to think outside the box in that kind of scenario people!!

reply to post by woodwardjnr



It was only 50 years ago that such a thing happened in Europe. When the military in the name of a war by bankers resulted in the deaths of millions.

Of course it is entirely possible!

Originally posted by Rogueduke
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

Thats exactly what i was aiming for...should the Gov fail & the SHTF what you gonna do if you can't get weapons or ammo & you want to even out the odds against anyone who may have the advantage of a firearm!?

Got to think outside the box in that kind of scenario people!!

I hear you dukey, but he major advantage a firearm wielder has over professor ratchet's inventions is it's small, compact and designed for killing quickly and repeatedly.
A funky invention firing balls and even arrows won't have the edge for being humped and dumped all over the place like a rifle / pistol would.
Against a reasonably competent gunman they'd probably laugh before shooting you.

Also if you were on foot bailing out from dodge would you be wanting to be humping a bulky, heavy and largely useless contraption?