Loooks like it's Amensty for Illegals....

Originally posted by Mdv2
Perhaps your government should start investing in the Mexican economy - the root of the problem. Don't be greedy, there would be more than enough money to invest in the Mexican economy if the government would discontinue funding Israel and playing war games.

What you are suggesting is precisely why our country borrows two billion dollars everyday just to exist. Back in the 40s and 50s when the U.S was propping up other countries, we should have been using that money to secure our own future. Now, we are no better off than the countries we helped back in the 40s and 50s. Why should we bail them out?

Originally posted by ferretman2

Congress will approve an immigration bill that will grant citizenship rights to most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the U.S. after Democrats take control next month, predict both sides on Capitol Hill.

Well I guess the next question is......will the Government actually enforce immigration laws after this debacle to advoid having to do this in the future AGAIN!!!

The United Kingdom has parallel problems with illegal immigrants on a lesser scale
with similar problems that these illegals bring. Our government seems to be a toothless tiger in enforcing immigration controls and illegals tend to be sheltered in their respective communities.
The complexion of local british communities are changing at an increasing pace and many previously outspoken political representatives of native british people have been silenced by the 'politically correct baton' hanging over their future.
Freedom of speech is the death knell to any employer, politician, law enforcement officer, newspaper journalist who dares to tell the truth in print or spoken word. Immigrants almost certainly have a higher priority over the native population with housing and other occupational and social matters.
Daily we read or are informed by the media of a plethora of nonsense... like the BA employee who had to cover up her crucifix jewellery.

I assume that illegal immigration is a problem everywhere. However,it seems to me that it has been a problem here in the states for quite some time. I can remember when I was a youngster back in the 80s people complaining about it.

It is way past time that something be done about it. These people who want a borderless country or what have you are living in a fantasy world. They think that such a proposal is good? Wow... Yeah, let's all give up sovereignty and become one huge conglomerate of nations. Hell,everything else is becoming a conglomerate.

Really, to me, this globalism that many seem to be in favor of frightens the hell out of me. I am just going to be honest here, I personally think that such a unification would leave the door wide open for a one world dictator.

I really do not see any real pros to globalism but I do see quite a few cons to it. Some will argue, "Well,it would certainly end war." Would it? Nah... There would still be something to fight over. Namely,beliefs. "Well that's why we will form a unified religion," globalists assert. It will never happen. There is not a single world religion that all people will adhere to, not one.

Then some bring this whole globalist ideology into the immigration argument and say,"Hell, remove all borders." What? So, we should all just be this smorgas board of different ethnicities and have no culture to call our own,eh? I am sorry, but it just doesn't wash with me.

[edit on 5-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by Rockpuck
When I get cash out of the ATM it ask "English or Spanish?" .. IF you CANNOT speak ENGLISH... what the HELL are you doing with an AMERICAN bank account???

My ATM asks for English/Spanish/Chinese (Mandarin) and sometime Vietnamese. I manage to get through the process without being offended. Just because they are not an English speaker does not mean they are not here legally. The bank is a business and it will cater to it's customers, that's what they do.

What about the DMV documents and voter ballots here in California they are issued in English, Spanish, Chinese, Korean, Russian, Tagalog and Vietnamese ... and depending on specific area or county there may be a few more languages as well.

Originally posted by Creedo
Solution

SEND THEM ALL BACK HOME!

No matter what country of origin. Every street cop in America should immediately detain and begin process of deportation anyone who cannot show LEGAL and CURRENT documentaion that they are allowed to be here. PERIOD.

We are a nation at WAR. This is reason enough. We dont need the homefront threatend by enemies slipping past the borders... let alone illegal immigrants. This should be TOP priority by our local governments right now.

Immigration laws are a FEDERAL offense and should be enforced by the FEDERAL government. How would street cops immediately detain anyone without LEGAL rights to be here? Are you open to being stopped ... would you be able to prove your citizen status while walking down a street or driving your vehicle? A drivers license or ID is not proof enough of citizenship.

Or should they only stop people of a certain color?

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by Mdv2
Perhaps your government should start investing in the Mexican economy - the root of the problem. Don't be greedy, there would be more than enough money to invest in the Mexican economy if the government would discontinue funding Israel and playing war games.

What you are suggesting is precisely why our country borrows two billion dollars everyday just to exist. Back in the 40s and 50s when the U.S was propping up other countries, we should have been using that money to secure our own future. Now, we are no better off than the countries we helped back in the 40s and 50s. Why should we bail them out?

I agree with you speaker that we do indeed prop up other nations when we don't need to, and our desire to run around the world doing good and evils are why we are in debt.

Mdv2 - I don't know if you have me blocked or not, I have you blocked I just happened to see your spew here on this quote.

I understand your incredibly anti-American, and would never agree to anything America did unless it was roll over and shoot it's self.

Mexico is a rather rich nation compared to other people we help.

Mexico has a lot of natural resources.

Mexico has a lot of tourism.

Mexico has a fast growing industrial economy. Go look at a Ford, or a GM. Made in Mexico. I mean.. they are domestic.

I just cannot fathom why a nation, more concerned with keeping wealthy people wealthy and poor Indians poor instead of creating a prosperous state deserves help of any kind. Yeah, I called Mexico racist. Because they are. You HAVE TO be a Mexican citizen to be able to have a job in Mexico. And the trick with that is you have to be born in Mexico to be a Mexican citizen.

Makes you wonder, why a nation would yell at it's neighbors for thinking about closing it's borders when theirs is sealed shut. Except the lucrative tourism and our generous free trade (designed to make our major corporations richer off slave labor - Ford )

Mexico doesn't get help because they don't deserve it. Their leaders are in bed with drug runners, human trafficking, kidnappings for ransom, and of course outsourcing the absolute scum of their society, the ones that come here, who send money back home, where it gets taxed. - yeah Mexico profits off sending their Indians to America. Of course they just want to send them off to a better life right? Mmmm yeah, because they are kind people.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
What you are suggesting is precisely why our country borrows two billion dollars everyday just to exist. Back in the 40s and 50s when the U.S was propping up other countries, we should have been using that money to secure our own future. Now, we are no better off than the countries we helped back in the 40s and 50s. Why should we bail them out?

Your assertion is false. Financial mismanagement is the primary reason for the current mess. Especially, the current government doesn't seem to care about financial management at all. Just spend till you drop. They should bear in mind that bills should be paid as well, and one day the collection agencies of China, Japan and Europe will come to collect their revenues.

However, back on topic, please analyse the following graphs and let me know the conclusions you draw:





Still convinced that the American aid/loans to Europe's recontruction is the primary reason for the current mess you should think twice. The US has spent much more on weapon deliveries, including Weapons of Mass Destruction, to former friends such as Osama, Sadam, rogue states and other dictorial regimes compared to aid on reconstruction of Europe.

In that perspective the Cold War doesn't differ from the current situation ''you're either with us or you are with the Bolshevists''. We'll give you arms to massacre your countrymen in exchange for your support to us. If that's what you define as 'what we propped up other countries with' I definitely agree.

MDV,well,it makes perfect sense that America would spend money on self defense,especially since the same countires that we give aid to would like nothing more than to destroy us.

Have a good day!!

[edit on 6-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
MDV,well,it makes perfect sense that America would spend money on self defense,especially since the same countires that we give aid to would like nothing more than to destroy us.

Of course it does, I just debunked your false assertion.

Have a good day!!

Originally posted by razor1000
.....when was the last time you saw latinos out in the street asking for money. i will admint this is based on the few states that i've been too but i've never seen one standing in the corner.

True. In fact I have found myself stating the same thing through the years here in Miami. It does appear, from where I have been, being born and raised here, that there are very very very few latin homeless or begging. I do however see latinos selling everything from cold water, fruits, flowers, to newspapers in traffic in 100 degree heat on a regular basis. Hard workers no doubt.

Originally posted by infinite8

Hard workers no doubt.

Infinite,that is one thing that is not even up for debate.. Latinos are extremely hard workers. However, I just don't see how many more immigrants, legal or illegal, that the United States can take on. Not only economically, but also it terms of space..."Civilization" has already crept into some very remote areas of the United States... It's getting harder and harder to term any area the "country" anymore due to population growth..

It has been and i my opinion that the U.S made a huge mistake by taking on the role of "The melting pot" of the world. Look at our society.. We really don't have a culture that we can call our own. It's a hodge-podge mixture of all of the world's cultures.. No wonder why some refer to us as the "New Babylon."

Anyway, my main concern is more from an economic and security aspect.. We can sit here and argue that immigrants bring more economy into the country, but that still doesn't address the fact that illegal immigrants are getting free health care.. Something that I don't get and I am a legal citizen!! It's not right. No matter how you want to slice, dice or chop it,it's not right!!

[edit on 9-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]

Well friends, we have been told that what we want as a nation whose government is supposed to work for us, does not apply. We want a secure border, and they have done nothing but provided us with more empty promises. Now they are rewarding illegal’s while the entire country is saying no, but remember, “It’s not amnesty”. With every new bill comes one side or the other claiming victory. Funny thing is, I thought victory came with doing the will of the people. Until they do that, both sides loose, and so do we. A temporary Visa becomes permanent. Background checks will now be difficult. Gang members can now have a choice to apply for what, amnesty? No, they wouldn’t do that right? Well, I think they would, and they are! As long as they have a job, or are related to someone who has a job, they’re in. $5,000.00 fine, well not so much. That would be unfair right? Several citizens are handing in their voter registration cards, now refusing to be affiliated with either side. I have seen talk radio personalities that have always defended the “President”, now saying that they have been betrayed and to email all officials you can and tell them that if the bill pass’s, they will be voted out on the basis of “no confidence”! I did however have to turn off Limbaugh today though because he still blames the Democrats for everything, but at least he is the only one now who is willing to do so. He even blamed them for the price of oil! Yes, he even defended the oil companies that have purposely reduced the refining process from oil to gas, to CREATE a lack of supply! We have big oil that has purposely reduced production to dictate the price of gasoline, which has set new records while the price of a barrel of oil is around 20 to 30% lower than it was last year while prices at the pump were lower. The government knows this and says that the oil companies are not breaking any laws. But all in all, the people are united: no amnesty, secure the border! If we the people break the law, we answer for it. What about the term “illegal” alien? The politically correct term is now “unregistered workers”. Like I said: “by any other name…” Both sides are defying the will of the people. When they do that, they become dictators. And that my friend, is when they have to go!!

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
It has been and i my opinion that the U.S made a huge mistake by taking on the role of "The melting pot" of the world. Look at our society.. We really don't have a culture that we can call our own.

well, that's mainly because we essentially annhilitated the indigenous culture...
i mean, it's a colonist nation, why the hell would we have our own culture? hell, the country isn't even 300 years old, where the hell are we going to derive a culture from?

It's a hodge-podge mixture of all of the world's cultures..

yep, a little bit of the best from everywhere. it makes us stronger.

No wonder why some refer to us as the "New Babylon." :

babylon wasn't that bad of a place at the time. just look at the zeitgeist of the era and you'll see that it was a fairly progressive societ compared to the rest of mesopotamia.

Anyway, my main concern is more from an economic and security aspect..

why the hell is security the be all and end all for america these days?

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We can sit here and argue that immigrants bring more economy into the country, but that still doesn't address the fact that illegal immigrants are getting free health care.. Something that I don't get and I am a legal citizen!!


you're right, we SHOULD ALL GET FREE HEALTHCARE. since when is health a privelege and not a right?

It's not right. No matter how you want to slice, dice or chop it,it's not right!!

so we should take it out on those that come into the country instead of taking it out on the lawmakers that won't support universal healthcare?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

why the hell is security the be all and end all for america these days?

Are you freaking serious? Have you just been so suckered into liberal clap trap that you fail to see where the security of a nation comes before all else? Why should I be more concerned about a citizen of some foreign country than the welfare of my homeland? Please, prey tell, do tell me.

I don't understand the mindset of the youth of this country at all. When I say youth, I mean people who are 25 and younger. I just don't understand it.

Madness, excuse my tone, but really, surely you didn't ask that question in seriousness.

"Why should America's security be the end all?" Wow, you must have already forgotten about 9/11. Would you be asking such a question if you had lost someone on 9/11? I think not. I think not.

Wow, that's all I can say. I tell you all the truth, if that is the kind of mindset that Americans that will soon be leading this country will have, let me get out of here now!!

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Are you freaking serious? Have you just been so suckered into liberal clap trap that you fail to see where the security of a nation comes before all else?

i'm pretty sure that my well being and freedoms come before my security. sure, security of a nation can be an extension of my well being when it DOESN'T infringe on the rights of others.

Why should I be more concerned about a citizen of some foreign country than the welfare of my homeland? Please, prey tell, do tell me.

well... imagine that i'm yelling this at the top of my lungs:

BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL PEOPLE
mexican=american=bangladeshi=australian=italian=brazilian=canadian etc.
we're all people

I don't understand the mindset of the youth of this country at all. When I say youth, I mean people who are 25 and younger. I just don't understand it.

it's called compassion.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Madness, excuse my tone, but really, surely you didn't ask that question in seriousness.

"Why should America's security be the end all?" Wow, you must have already forgotten about 9/11. Would you be asking such a question if you had lost someone on 9/11? I think not. I think not.

and that shows how much you know about me.

Wow, that's all I can say. I tell you all the truth, if that is the kind of mindset that Americans that will soon be leading this country will have, let me get out of here now!!

yes, compassion for humanity over paranoia and fear is going to ruin us!

You know it's well and good to be compassionate and all, but when that "compassion" starts to cause you to become a doormat, I think it's time that something is done.

Look, I don't think most Hispanics cause any real safety concerns. However, just about a month a go, the Feds thwarted a plan to bomb Fort Dix. Yes, that's right, people right here in this country were planning on bombing a military base right here in the U.S. While two of these terrorists were citizen's, guess what. Three of them that were planning this were illegal immigrants. Guess where they admitted crossing the border. Yes Sirrrr, through Mexico.

So, I ask you, is giving amnesty and having open borders worth your personal safety. Sorry, folks, but my having "compassion" is not worth my safety. No way, no how.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

yes, compassion for humanity over paranoia and fear is going to ruin us!

Not as long as there are people like me around that maintains equilibrium it won't. However, if we adopt this very naive globalist mentality that some seem to be such powerful proponents of here, then yeah, we as a nation are doomed. You are correct.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
You know it's well and good to be compassionate and all, but when that "compassion" starts to cause you to become a doormat, I think it's time that something is done.

you're only a doormat when these people hurt you. again, almost all of these people you'd accuse of being illegal are contributing to society.

Look, I don't think most Hispanics cause any real safety concerns. However, just about a month a go, the Feds thwarted a plan to bomb Fort Dix.

yeah, it was on the news.

Yes, that's right, people right here in this country were planning on bombing a military base right here in the U.S. While two of these terrorists

define TERRORIST.

were citizen's, guess what. Three of them that were planning this were illegal immigrants. Guess where they admitted crossing the border. Yes Sirrrr, through Mexico.

but we caught them, it's a non-issue. as long as we have the law enforcement in place to catch them before the attacks happen it doesn't matter if they get in.
and, since you brought up the incident earlier. all the 9/11 hijackers came here legally.

So, I ask you, is giving amnesty and having open borders worth your personal safety.

i actually think it would be more safe. better international image = less animosity towards us and we'd be able to impliment more screening.

Sorry, folks, but my having "compassion" is not worth my safety. No way, no how.

so your life is worth more than the life of any of these border-crossers?

speaker, stop trying to prey on fear.

It's amazing that this country was attacked by Islamic fundamentalists from the middle east yet, Mexicans are to blame for all of America's social ills. I used to think that there was intelligent people on these boards. I am realizing just how bigoted you folks are. It doesn't matter. We aren't leaving this country no matter what you say or do. Keep B#tching and moaning and raising your blood pressure. This country is slowly but surely turning brown. Viva la raza y chinga tu pinchi madre gabachos.