latest terror message (hanmannpi.com)

they wont do anything they know another attack is what the u.s. needs to wipe them out. the u.s. is slowing down becuase they have lost support from manny. another attack would regain that support. and would fuel the u.s. initative

He's an article from CNN regaring the plan over the white house in case anyone missed it.


"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Secret Service at the White House went on alert briefly Monday morning after an aircraft crossed into restricted airspace in what appeared to be an accidental violation.

The aircraft -- listed in federal aviation records as a four-seat, single-engine, propeller-driven Mooney M20E -- was intercepted and ordered to land.

After receiving word of an unauthorized aircraft in the restricted District of Columbia airspace, armed Secret Service officers began patrolling the White House grounds, some with rifles and other firearms drawn.

Neither President Bush nor first lady Laura Bush were at the White House at the time, but Vice President Cheney was.

At no point did the Secret Service activate an internal White House alert system, which is used to inform the staff of possible security breaches or attacks.

Fighter jets were scrambled to intercept the plane, and the pilot responded to instructions to change course. The pilot will be interviewed after landing, a Secret Service spokeswoman said.

Another government source said the initial conclusion, based on the pilot's cooperation when contacted and intercepted, is that it was an inadvertent violation, as happens periodically. But in all such cases the pilots are interviewed by the Secret Service.

From John King
CNN Senior White House Correspondent
Monday, November 10, 2003 Posted: 1:07 PM EST (1807 GMT)"

Personally, this seems like a coincidence but who knows. Great work on all this guys, I'm sort of new to this place and I am astounded by the information that you all provide. Hats off to you all. I don't think youre feeding ideas or causing chaos or panic. It's simply a heads up, an eye opener that this type of thing can be even hinted at, and no one mentions it on mainstream media until it is too late. I applaud you all, keep up the good work.

www.stratosaviation.com...

A moony M20E for those who love planes.

During the event Dick Cheny and chief of staff, Andrew Card were moved to a secure loaction. They're out of there now...taking the threat serious.

Bush has moved from Cali to Little Rock, Arkansas for a fundrasier.

They're all getting out of the areas Muslims were told to leave.

Originally posted by Nerdling
Just a quick interjection...

HAARP has been really throwing some power out, i decided to check it out after me and observer felt light headed and dizzy at the same time even though we're a continent away (freaky actualy)

137.229.36.30...

can someone explain all this HAARP stuff to me? I don't understand the information/implication.

Originally posted by mishapscott
During the event Dick Cheny and chief of staff, Andrew Card were moved to a secure loaction. They're out of there now...taking the threat serious.

Bush has moved from Cali to Little Rock, Arkansas for a fundrasier.

They're all getting out of the areas Muslims were told to leave.

Little rock has an AFB i think, a nice big bunker too.

Originally posted by tealc
they wont do anything they know another attack is what the u.s. needs to wipe them out. the u.s. is slowing down becuase they have lost support from manny. another attack would regain that support. and would fuel the u.s. initative

Before you sign up for the "wipe us out" thing...understand that many of us don't agree with what's happening. I guess we need to exert more influence to protect ourselves.

Does anyone have the original time of the FIRST warning from yesterday??? When they loaded the second warning on they wiped out the the time tag on the first warning. It was 5:xx 9-11, but I don't know if it was a.m. or p.m.??? I am almost certain it was Mecca Time.

Hmm that plane thing is alil disturbing. What would a small plane like that just be flyin around in the middle of the day. It also sounds like the piolet was alone. That make me think alil. If your flyin around dc you have to be awar of all those dang flight restrictions. And he had his transponder off!! Im thinkin like it was said earlier this is mearly sometin to justify putting our leaders in a safe place. Also if it was no big deal y did they rush them to secure locations. OH btw where is President Bush sposed to be tomarrow??

Found this on another thread.


reviewjournal.printthis.clickability.com...



Hmm tie in to anyone elses suspicions

I just came across this from the Scotsman...

US officials warn of more terror attacks


AMERICAN officials today warned of the threat of further terrorist bomb attacks like the one which killed at least 17 people at a residential compound in the Saudi capital Riyadh at the weekend.

The suicide car bomb on Saturday night was being seen as proof the al-Qaida terror network is even willing to shed the blood of Muslims in its campaign to bring down the Saudi royal family.

"It�s no longer an issue of terrorism for them," said Saudi analyst Dawood al-Shirian. "It�s become a war on the regime, a war to turn the country into a new Afghanistan ruled by a Saudi-style Taliban."

After searching through rubble in a residential compound, a Saudi official late last night said six more bodies had been found, raising the death toll to 17, including five children. At least 13 were Arabs, with the others as yet unidentified, the Interior Ministry official said.

Some 122 people were injured, most of them Arabs as well.

The blasts came around midnight local time, after gunmen exchanged fire with security guards in a compound of about 200 houses.

Most of the residents were Lebanese, but some Saudis, German, French and Italian families live there as well. The attackers, believed to be in a police car, then drove into the compound and blew themselves up.
For the rest:
www.news.scotsman.com... nal%2Ecfm&referringquerystring=id%3D1241662003

[Edited on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

So if these threats were true, and the government did take these threats seriously, when do you think they'd raise the terror alert? They were pretty jumpy with it not too long ago, one would think if these threats had a lot of substance they would have raised it by now.

Well I have searched and cannot find any photo's,

but today at work, we had three Blackhawk heliocopters fly over. A friend at work that used to be in the 101st Airborn, said they were Blackhawk's with "Tank Killer's" on them.


I forget the name he called them,
Not knowing what those were, I could only describe them as long forward protruding thin missles.

Keep in mind, this was a civilian international airport in the southeast, north-west of Fort Bragg by a couple of hundred miles.

Only the second time in the last two months seeing military choppers in well over a year of working near the airport.

They took off headed toward Bragg.

Originally posted by smirkley
Well I have searched and cannot find any photo's,

but today at work, we had three Blackhawk heliocopters fly over. A friend at work that used to be in the 101st Airborn, said they were Blackhawk's with "Tank Killer's" on them.


I forget the name he called them,
Not knowing what those were, I could only describe them as long forward protruding thin missles.

Keep in mind, this was a civilian international airport in the southeast, north-west of Fort Bragg by a couple of hundred miles.

Only the second time in the last two months seeing military choppers in well over a year of working near the airport.

They took off headed toward Bragg.

Experienced the same today, just one though, i think yoiu mean hellfire missiles in the tank killer reference.

Oh happy...

WASHINGTON, Nov. 10 � Federal investigators have documented 1,300 cases of lost, stolen or abandoned radioactive material inside the United States over the past five years and have concluded that there is a significant risk that terrorists could cobble enough together for a dirty bomb.

www.msnbc.com...

No I think I would have remembered hellfire, instead, god I wish I could remember, it was a one syllable word, like tow or toe missle.

Something like that.

Anyway I thought it real odd to have three around a civilian airport, in a well populated area.

This is something like it looked like



[Edited on 10-11-2003 by smirkley]

Oh dear Val.

Does anyone feel a little... glow in the dark?

Here are two new related articles from CNN, not sure if you guys have heard or mentioned this yet. Seems to be coming to a head.

"RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (CNN) -- Saudi security officials are deploying thousands of troops to the city of Mecca because of concerns that terrorists may be planning new attacks during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Saudi government sources told CNN.

A U.S. official also said there is intelligence suggesting additional terrorist attacks are possible in Saudi Arabia in coming days.

Seventeen people, including five children, were killed and 122 people were wounded in Saturday's suicide car bombing in a mostly Arab neighborhood in Riyadh, the Saudi Press Agency said.

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, echoing Saudi assessments, said it was clear to him "that al Qaeda wants to take down the royal family and the government of Saudi Arabia." Excerpts of his comments were broadcast Monday on Al Arabiya.

Officials expect the toll to rise as rescuers continue searching the rubble for any other victims.

U.S. to close embassy in Sudan, officials say
The attack occurred a day after the United States said it was shutting its embassy and consulates in Saudi Arabia, citing intelligence of an imminent terrorist attack.

On Monday, two senior U.S. State Department officials said the U.S. Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan, would be closed through the week due to an unspecified threat.

A delegation from the Lebanese Foreign Ministry has arrived in Riyadh to help their citizens cope with the attack, the Lebanese consul said.

Consul Ali Ghazawi said four Lebanese were killed in the attack and three members of a Lebanese family -- a father, mother and son -- were missing. The Saudi Press Agency said seven Lebanese were killed. Some of the 28 Lebanese wounded have been released from hospitals.

The bodies of Lebanese citizens killed will not be returned to Lebanon for several days, Ghazawi said.

U.S. official says attack 'shocking'
In Washington, President Bush expressed his condolences to Crown Prince Abdullah and told him the United States stands with Saudi Arabia in the war against terrorism.

Armitage, in Cairo Monday, called the attack "shocking" and offered condolences to Egyptian officials. Four Egyptians were killed.

Asked by CNN whether the Saudis were doing enough to fight terrorism, Armitage commended their efforts following car bombings at housing complexes in Riyadh in May that killed 34 people, then added:

"We, the defenders, have to be right 100 percent of the time, and the terrorists only have to be right once."

Armitage flew to Cairo after a visit to Saudi Arabia and a meeting with members of the royal family.

The car that exploded Saturday night left a crater in the center of the neighborhood, which was littered with rubble and burned-out vehicles.

The attackers stormed the affluent neighborhood near Riyadh's diplomatic quarter, first firing on security guards and then driving their explosives-laden cars through the gates.

Sources said the attackers apparently had stolen a jeep from Saudi security forces to disguise themselves. Saudi guards opened the gate upon seeing the jeep before the attackers opened fire, the sources said.

Westerners who work in Saudi Arabia are considering sending their families home because of the dangers there and moving their companies out of Saudi Arabia until it becomes safer, some Western businessmen told CNN.

In addition to Saudi and Egyptian fatalities, a Sudanese and an Indian were also killed in the attack, the Saudi Press Agency reported.

The 122 wounded included Jordanians, Palestinians, Indians, Pakistanis, Sudanese, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Indonesians, Filipinos, Turks, Sri Lankans, and Romanians, the agency said.

Officials, citizens, and journalists were shocked at the attack because it hit a target where most of the people are Arabs.

CNN's Caroline Faraj, David Ensor, Nic Robertson, Nada el-Housseini, Sandy Petrykowski and Elise Labott contributed to this report. "

2nd one here is about a soldier killed by a rocket propelled grenade.

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. soldier with the 18th Military Police Brigade was killed Sunday night in a rocket-propelled-grenade attack in central Iraq, the Coalition Press Information Center said Monday.

The incident occurred about 7 p.m. (11 a.m. EST) west of Iskandariyah, about 40 miles south of Baghdad. The attack is under investigation.

The soldier was the 38th killed in November, and brings the number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war to 398. Since President Bush declared the end to major combat on May 1, 259 U.S. military members have been killed.

There is no reliable source for Iraqi civilian or combatant casualty figures, either during the period of major combat or after May 1. The Associated Press reported an estimated 3,240 civilian Iraqi deaths between March 20 and April 20, but the AP said that the figure was based on records of only half of Iraq's hospitals and the actual number was thought to be significantly higher.

Meanwhile, U.S. military officials who had backed away from confirming a surface-to-air missile attack in Friday's Black Hawk crash said Sunday they believe the helicopter was hit by a Soviet-built Strela-3 SAM.

All six U.S. military personnel on board the helicopter died in the crash near Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit.

Friday's deadly crash added to a bloody week for the coalition. Thirty-seven U.S. troops and one Polish soldier died in Iraq in the first week of November alone.

Sources with the 4th Infantry Division told CNN they suspect a Soviet-built Kolomna KBM Strela-3 low-altitude surface-to-air missile hit the helicopter, using an infrared guidance system.

"We do believe it was brought down by ground fire," said Lt. Col. Steve Russell, commander of the 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment.

Only one of the 37 Americans who died during the week was killed in a non-hostile incident. The military has confirmed that all other deaths were caused by coalition enemies.

Three U.S. soldiers were killed Saturday in two separate vehicle attacks.

Two soldiers were killed when their vehicle ran over a homemade bomb on a main highway west of Fallujah about 8:30 a.m. (12:30 a.m. EST) near the village of Sichir, about 30 miles (48 kilometers) west of Baghdad.

A third soldier was killed Saturday night when an improvised explosive device hit a mounted convoy in Baghdad's al-Wehda district about 7:45 p.m. (11:45 a.m. EST).

On Saturday, U.S. forces attacked targets in the Tikrit area in what they called a "show of force."

Two F-16 fighter planes flew low over the marshy region and dropped at least two 500-pound bombs near the crash site north of Baghdad.

U.S. forces also used Apache attack helicopters, Bradley fighting vehicles, M1A1 Abrams tanks and close air support, said coalition spokeswoman Maj. Josslyn Aberle.

Red Cross pulls out
The International Red Cross said Saturday it is temporarily closing its Baghdad and Basra offices because of "extremely dangerous" conditions in Iraq, said Florian Westphal, a Red Cross spokesman in Geneva.

"We remain determined to remain active in Iraq," Westphal said, adding the agency would monitor the security situation "day-by-day."

The Red Cross reduced its international staff last month after two staff members and 10 other people were killed in an October 27 car bomb attack on its Baghdad offices.

After that attack, the agency asked its staff members if they wanted to stay in Iraq under the current conditions.

The Red Cross had a staff of 30 international workers and 600 Iraqis before the October attack.

Other developments

The casket of of Staff Sgt. Joe Nathan Wilson is removed from a hearse Sunday, in Copiah County, Mississippi. Wilson died in the November 2 Chinook crash in Iraq.
� Queen Elizabeth II on Sunday led a somber ceremony of remembrance for Britain's war dead, including more than 50 British troops killed this year in Iraq. (Full story)

� Iraqi and coalition forces Saturday arrested a person they said they think is one of Saddam's former bodyguards. The coalition conducted the early morning raid south of Kirkuk after receiving information that the suspect was involved in recent anti-coalition attacks.

� The U.S. military Saturday captured 12 people in Iraq suspected of being involved in an attack on a Baghdad hotel that killed one U.S. soldier and wounded 15 people last month. (Full story)

� Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage said Saturday the United States in Iraq is walking a fine line between liberator and occupier. (Full story)

CNN's Dana Bash, Jamie McIntyre, Nic Robertson, Matthew Chance, Ben Wedeman, Pelin Sidki and Barbara Starr contributed to this report."

Im thinking it may be a good idea to start a new thread recapping everything you guys discovered. We're passed 230 messages so if someone doesnt want to filter through all of them, it would be nice to have one thread that has it all right at the beginnig.

Keep it up guys and gals!

Did any have the original time on the First warning yesterday?

Here's what I've got worked up if the 36 25 36 is hours FROM THE TIME THE WARNING WAS ISSUED:

The time I remember was 5:03 or 5:30 one of those, but I don't know if it was a.m. or p.m., but it was Mecca Time:

First set is Mecca time, second is US Time in CST:

If it was 5:30 a.m. 11/9: (US 11:30 pm 11/8)
+36 hours is 5:30 pm 11/10: (US 11:30 am 11/10)
+25 hours is 6:30 pm 11/11: (US 12:30 pm 11/11)
+36 hours is 6:30 am 11/13: (US 12:30 am 11/13)

If it was 5:30 p.m. 11/9: (US 11:30 am 11/9)
+36 hours is 5:30 am 11/11: (US 11:30 pm 11/10)
+25 hours is 6:30 am 11/12: (US 12:30 am 11/12)
+36 hours is 6:30 pm 11/13: (US 12:30 pm 11/13)

Well, if it was am, we have already missed the first deadline without incident. Or without mention of incident. So either it was PM or the coordinate assumption was right. Unless, of course, it is something completely different all together in which case we have no idea what we're in for.