Its gonna kick off in the UK first! *Muslim troubles that is!*

Originally posted by Neon Haze

Originally posted by Mezzanine
Muslims in western countries are openly discriminated against and often times treated as a suspected terrorist (and there is no proving otherwise).

The very fact that you're buying into anti Muslim propaganda is what’s really concerning about this thread.

The truth is simple.

Global War on Terrorism is the response to the Muslims war against everyone else.

Not ALL Muslims are terrorist but the majority of terrorist are Muslim.

So therefore everyone who is not Muslim has the right to suspect anyone who is Muslim of being a terrorist.

Agreed.

And its self inflicted

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There's a simple way to solve this in the UK or any other Western country, you introduce laws that state that any person(s) or group irrespective of their race colour or creed pose a threat to the indigenous population then they will be jailed and/or deported. Anyone preaching hate, murder and mayhem against other groups should be jailed, (that incudes the BNP) we all have to live together and we cannot afford the luxury of any radical group in a peacful society. There is a fine line in being free to express ones views in a democracy and using a democracy as a means to ferment hate and fear.

If people feel strongly about whats happening abroad then please go and support your brothers and sisters in those countries, we all have a right to express our views and support for others. If you are not happy where you live, do not like the people or politics then move no one is forcing anybody to stay here. My wife and I are hoping to move to France when we retire and we will be proud and happy to embrace the French way of life and laws, thats what normal people do, as I said before when in Rome do as the Romans.

@ magicmushroom

Fair comment Magic, my family and I will also be moving to France (Spring next year) and expect to follow their norms and rules.

I would also follow up on your comment re fear.

Do you feel as I do that Western nations are being cowed out of offering criticism of anything to do with Islam by the way that the Islamic world reacts? - i'm thinking Cartoon rage and pope rage for starters.

I read the other day of a girl in Lyon being pelted with stones in the playground of her school because she ate a snack before sundown and therefore broke fast, she is of an ethnic background herself, but this excuses nothing, in the West this behaviour is not acceptable.

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Originally posted by radoult
There is a little bit more to that than you seem to be implying, if I read you right you think it was just because "whitey" didnt like Muslims in his area?

THe only mention was that line in the article and that there had been violence between muslims and white gangs. If a group of people firebombed a place because it was ownded by muslims, then they were in the wrong and are savages that should be dealt with. Its the ostracising of muslims from society that lead to the major riots in france, which were far worse than anything in the UK. If the UKers want riots like that, then, by all means, they should give up peaceful living with their neighbhors and start attacking them.

neon haze
So therefore everyone who is not Muslim has the right to suspect anyone who is Muslim of being a terrorist.

Nothing gives anyone the right to firebomb the business of a fellow citizen, suspicions or not. And just as the britishers have the right to suspect the muslim ukers, the muslim ukers have the right to suspect the britishers of being racist bigots. Incidents like the above demonstrate that such suspiscions aren't unfounded.

magicmushroom
There's a simple way to solve this in the UK or any other Western country, you introduce laws that state that any person(s) or group irrespective of their race colour or creed pose a threat to the indigenous population then they will be jailed and/or deported.

How can you possibly say that such a thing can be done 'irrespective of race', and then set it up to protect one race???? Just who is the 'indigenous' population in the UK, white poeple no? So you are saying that anyone that says anything perceived as a threat to white people in the UK should be thrown out of the country, even if they are a citizen?? I beleive that the british have a response to that kind of suggestion.
"Bollocks".

If you are not happy where you live, do not like the people or politics then move no one is forcing anybody to stay here

A person does not have to sit idly by and keep silent merely because they disagree with the majority. I agree that its insane to permit people to rouse the rabble in the street and agigate them into violent revolution against the government. But there is a hell of a difference between that and, say, protesting the UK participation in the WOT, or calling for the prime minister to step down, etc.

My wife and I are hoping to move to France when we retire and we will be proud and happy to embrace the French way of life and law

You won't be so happy if they throw you and everyone that looks like you into ghettos and prevent you from having acccess to their tightly regulated job market. Or if there were gangs of french kids prowling throwing firebombs into english style pubs no?

, thats what normal people do, as I said before when in Rome do as the Romans.

UK muslims seem to mostly speak english and don't practice polygamy. Thats about all that they are required to do to assimilate. The Romans, when they accepted a foreign population, made them 'romanize', this meant speaking latin, it didn't mean the extinction of their local gods, customs, and way of life. The Muslims, largely, have assimilated, what more is expected of them? They use british money, live in britsh towns, speak english, etc etc.

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Nygdan - read this for starters

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Originally posted by radoult
Nygdan - read this for starters

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A PETROL bomb launched at a Muslim-owned dairy on Wednesday night may have been in retribution for alleged attacks on three residents involving pitchforks and lead pipes.

Seems pretty straight forward, a gang of angry savages threw a bomb at some people because they were muslims.

Now it seems outrage has hit boiling point with the property already being used as a prayer room without hearing the outcome of the application to use it as one.

Even worse then, it had little to do with the attack, but more to do with suppressing a minority. Foolish, barbaric, and uncivilized.

Sardar Hussain, managing director of Medina Dairy, claimed it was his security guard who was initially attacked and said: "I want to work co-operatively with the West Windsor Association. I wish to be more involved in the community here in West Windsor if given the opportunity.

"I have friends and colleagues of many religions. I am a strong believer that people of all religions should try to co-operate and play their part in communal life."

Ah, clearly this man is a threat to the British Nation.

@ Nygdan

You have heard of cause and affect? thought not.....

You seem to write off anything that doesnt fit your pre conceived ideas about what happened.

Oh well, I tried.

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Please explain how my initial understanding, that the place was firebombed by angry white youths who wanted to target a muslim, was wrong????

The article you cite explicitly confirms that. That the bombers felt justified is meaningless.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
we all have to live together and we cannot afford the luxury of any radical group in a peacful society.

Well put and exactamondo...

But unfortunately it's not quite as simple as that.

WE can't all live together when there is an obvious conflict of belief.

Example.

In England we have traditional values and our culture is as deep as it is old if you look (looking below the candy floss Americanization’s).

If I as an English person were to travel to Dubai or Saudi or Indonesia or Malaysia or any other Muslim country. Do you think my values and my culture would mean anything at all to the local population?? Do I have the right in those countries to practice my beliefs??

However....

On the other hand....

Here in England, we have the exact opposite. Here, no matter what you believe you have the right to practice (within reason and within the LAW). Most often you have the right to practice your belief even if it means the local people have to suffer because of it.

It is this unbalanced and unreasonable situation that is now causing such bad feeling in all the free societies around the world.

The Koran itself has been changed at its core to suite the needs of a few people of power. Mostly the basis of the Koran just like all so called holy books is to convert those who don’t believe into believers. The bible does this with fear – fear of everlasting damnation in hell, the Koran also motivates through fear – if you don’t convert then you will be killed and the Muslims at the fundamental level feel that they are justified in killing all that refuse to convert.

Having said that I’m not saying that all Muslims are fundamental, but they do all read from the same book and so must have the same direction of thought.

I think they only way to resolve this situation is for the Muslim community to re-educate themselves to open their eyes and look toward a future where they can see that the truth is not about how people treat Allah but it is about how people treat people!!!

NeoN HaZe.

Originally posted by Neon Haze
Do you think my values and my culture would mean anything at all to the local population?? Do I have the right in those countries to practice my beliefs??

Nope. Whats that matter? Is saudi arabia the the peak and goal of civlized behaviour? Are englishmen supposed to strive to be like a sheik?

Most often you have the right to practice your belief even if it means the local people have to suffer because of it.

Just like the so-called 'local' people have the right to practice their beleifs, even if the 'non-local' people don't like it.

It is this unbalanced and unreasonable situation that is now causing such bad feeling in all the free societies around the world.

Liberty is a problem eh?

the Muslims at the fundamental level feel that they are justified in killing all that refuse to convert.

Since the koran explicitly forbids this, i think we will need more than just your word to accept this statement. The muslims I know haven't tried to kill me for not being a muslim. If anything, islam, as a culture throughout its history, is a far more tolerant of other religions than christianity and the like. In europe, the christians exterminated the old religions. In the islamic world, the old religions still exist.

but they do all read from the same book and so must have the same direction of thought.

This book, of course, being the one that demands that people of other religions be treated fairly, and that forced conversions are meaningless.

I think they only way to resolve this situation is for the Muslim community to re-educate themselves

Sounds more like that the English are the ones ignorant about the muslims, thinking that they are required to kill non-converts, when precisely the opposite is demanded.

to open their eyes and look toward a future where they can see that the truth is not about how people treat Allah but it is about how people treat people!!

And where does firebombing a muslim business work into this? Where does making patently false statements about another people's religion work into 'understanding'? How can the british muslims have good relations with the british christians if the british christians are completely ignorant about the muslims and think that they are all out to get them? Fear and paranoia based on ignorance as the foundation for community realtions?

I think that the british need to take a good hard look at themselves, and ask, why is it that in the places where muslims are treated the worst, that there is the most violence between muslims and the non-muslims? Why are there riots of massive scale in france, where they are put into ghettos and excluded from the majority culture, and gang violence in England in the places where muslims are hated, but not in the places where they aren't hated and are treated like everyone else??

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Originally posted by Nygdan
Nope. What’s that matter? Is Saudi Arabia the peak and goal of civilized behavior? Are Englishmen supposed to strive to be like a sheik?

You missed the point completely - a totally peaceful society can only exist when there is balance. Why should people in the UK accept what Muslims think and feel when they are unwilling to accept how others think and feel??

Just like the so-called 'local' people have the right to practice their beliefs, even if the 'non-local' people don't like it.

Again you missed the point. what I mean is NO ONE should have the right to do anything that is in contravention of other people.

Example .1. .. I do have the right to play my music when ever I want.... I DO NOT have the right to play my music at FULL VOLUME at 3am in the morning.

Example .2. .. I DO have the right to my religious beliefs - BUT I DO NOT have the right to shove them down someone else’s throat and say they are WRONG for believing anything else.

Liberty is a problem eh?

No Liberty is the ideal. It is the very perversion of Liberty that I am talking about here.

Since the Koran explicitly forbids this, i think we will need more than just your word to accept this statement. The Muslims I know haven't tried to kill me for not being a Muslim. If anything, Islam, as a culture throughout its history, is a far more tolerant of other religions than Christianity and the like. In Europe, the Christians exterminated the old religions. In the Islamic world, the old religions still exist.

I think you should read the Koran again if you think that.

Try following this link for a few of the more direct examples

]Koran Quotes

Source Link above

Today, the Koran continues to be at the core of 95%+ of all terrorism worldwide. If indeed we are at war with terrorists, then we ought to be informed about what the terrorists believe and why. What follows are only a few quotes from the Koran. The Surah’s (chapter & verse) reference number is provided so that you can affirm for yourself that these quotes are accurate.

This book, of course, being the one that demands that people of other religions be treated fairly, and that forced conversions are meaningless. Sounds more like that the English are the ones ignorant about the Muslims, thinking that they are required to kill non-converts, when precisely the opposite is demanded.

Please refer to the info above.
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And where does firebombing a Muslim business work into this? Where does making patently false statements about another people's religion work into 'understanding'? How can the British Muslims have good relations with the British Christians if the British Christians are completely ignorant about the Muslims and think that they are all out to get them? Fear and paranoia based on ignorance as the foundation for community relations?

The Muslim communities of the world will find that violence begets violence. The unfortunate events of a firebombing on more than likely innocent people is a response to the overall Muslim attitude. The attitude of Muslims to think in terms of Muslims against Christians is indicative of a culture so far behind in terms of cultural growth that it is almost ridicules. This is not a fight Muslim v. Christians This is a fight for peace for all people of all beliefs.

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Well it will start soon. People are more bothered about muslims than they let on. Its a shame we have to sit behind a computer to voice our opinions whilst they are openly doing it in our streets. I pay my taxes my national insurance and my bills with the rest of you and I want to voice my opinion out there on the streets but I cant as I will be branded a racist and/or arrested. But they get away with it because it would be to much hassel for the police to do anything as then the police would be branded as "WRONG". Well I am fed up to the back teeth with this and soon with be the begining of the end and once more Britania WILL rule the waves.

Peace out

Getting back to the original thread I think the future for Muslim's here in the UK is very bleak indeed. For all our alleged tollerance of others the British are a war like people far more so than anybody else on this planet. You have only have to look at our history to see that, we have been fighting wars abroad for the last thousand years and most of them were and are about asset stripping and the indoctrination of our religion and way of life on others.

Out of this has emerged many people and groups who look on us as a danger to all and in their own way are seeking to redress the balance. But we in the West have always had the upper hand and despite the lies and disinformation about people of the Muslim faith and others they will never succeed in making the World a Muslim one. The people in control here and the USA will stop at nothing to bring this about, they will you us and any means neccesary to propogate wars on none white people.

All these radical Muslim's are achieving is an acceleration of this process and are sowing the seeds for the destruction of the Muslim faith. I dont know why we have come to this and why we have allowed it to happen. Its not religion thats the problem its all those who seek to use it as a means of division and superiority. Many say the teaching of Islam are wrong, that women are treated no better than cattle, that is true to a point. But remember it was not so long ago that women in this country were treated the same, and in the Middle Ages thousands were persecuted and burnt as witches. But we advance and become more civilised, that is what Islam needs, that all are seen as equal, men and women must have the same rights. All Religions must respect others and we must achieve this otherwise were as doomed as the dodo.

Originally posted by Neon Haze
Why should people in the UK accept what Muslims think and feel when they are unwilling to accept how others think and feel??

The muslims ARE willing to accept other religions and co-exist with them, its one of the distinctive characteristics of Islam! Meanwhile ignorant westerners are going around saying that muslims are required to exterminate other religions, which, again, is ironic, since its the western religion that has exterminated the most of the other religions.

Again you missed the point. what I mean is NO ONE should have the right to do anything that is in contravention of other people.

And what are muslims doing in the UK that is violating the rights of non-muslims???

Example .2. .. I DO have the right to my religious beliefs - BUT I DO NOT have the right to shove them down someone else’s throat and say they are WRONG for believing anything else.

Of course you have that right, and that right is constantly re-iterated by the non-muslims in the west, by saying, for example, that islam is an evil religion that requires its members to kill non-beleivers, and suggesting that muslims have to be 'isolated' or 'dealt with'.

No Liberty is the ideal. It is the very perversion of Liberty that I am talking about here.

What you have been suggesting is a perversion of liberty. The muslims in the UK have every right in the world to call for the resignation of anyone in the british government, to vote in muslims as their representatives, to protest the foreign policy of britain, to try to convert fellow UKers to Islam, etc etc.

I think you should read the Koran again if you think that.

I certainly don't need to read the koran to see that the islam-dom is one of the most religiously diverse regions of the planet, and that christen-dom is one of the most religiously monolithic.

What follows are only a few quotes from the Koran. The Surah’s (chapter & verse) reference number is provided so that you can affirm for yourself that these quotes are accurate.

Like this one:

"There is no compulsion in religion" (Qur'an 2:256)

Period. Forced conversions are reprehensible and not allowed. Muslim terrorists ignore this, and other directives demanding peace with non-muslims, just like the followers of jesus ignored his message of pacifism and killed all the non-beleivers. At least, in the long run, the muslims didn't exterminate the non-believers within their borders, a far cry from what the christians did, stuffing snakes down the throats of native germanic religionists, etc.

The Muslim communities of the world will find that violence begets violence.

So your saying that because there are people that have heard that muslims have done something bad, it is fully justified for them to run out and bomb a place becuase muslims are in it.

The unfortunate events of a firebombing on more than likely innocent people is a response to the overall Muslim attitude.

And its a pathetic, immoral, and criminal response.

The attitude of Muslims to think in terms of Muslims against Christians

Again, it is the christians that have the history of exterminating other religions, and it is the muslims that have a requirement from their religious texts to not force conversions, and to accept that not everyone is going to convert to islam.

This is not a fight Muslim v. Christians

And yet, so many in the west ignorantly assume that the muslims beleive it is, and then declare war upon that beleif, thus making it a war between themsevles and muslims.

theukman
Its a shame we have to sit behind a computer to voice our opinions whilst they are openly doing it in our streets

Then go out in the streets and say that you won't let anyone force you to accept their religion. Nothing is stopping you.

I pay my taxes my national insurance and my bills with the rest of you and I want to voice my opinion out there on the streets but I cant as I will be branded a racist and/or arrested

And yet, you want the arrest of other citizens who pay their taxes and bills and voice their opinions, merely because they are muslim.

because it would be to much hassel for the police to do anything as then the police would be branded as "WRONG".

It would be wrong for the police to arrest people for exercising their rights.

and once more Britania WILL rule the waves.

What a joke. You guys had an empire, and gave it up. Now you're going to pretend that you can get it back? You couldn't even hold on to India, a vital part of the empire, when the people merely asked you to leave, without even attacking you, and you think you'll be able to 're-take' the world? Well, this time those people are going to have the same weapons as you. You couldn't keep the empire with the advantage of technology, history, government and economy. Now you have none of that.

08.10.06

This leaked document claiming to emanate from The Church of England, criticises the British government's policy on Multiculturalism and it's favouritism towards muslims:

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i think we can all agree that this things gonna happen but another question is when is it!? if we had a different government in power would that help to progress multiculturalism (canada is a prime example of multiculturalism)? if the police werent thugs and did there jobs properly would that help?

if not i think the only thing we can do is pick sides and duke it out

Phew, read all the four pages off posts, quite a heated debate, here my 2 cents on this debate:

..On Wednesday a Muslim-run dairy was firebombed..

..and who was responsible for that atrocity? muslims bombing their own businesses, or Sun-reading BNP extremists? Seems like complete anti-muslim bias to me that there are no reported details of that event

Teenagers are responsible not BNP sun - reading haters, they do not want a mosquw in their area. Weither you agree with it or not that should be left up to the individuals who liv in that community. On another note you could condemm the attack on that boys mother, who was hit on the leg by a lead pole from one of the workers/security guards at the dairy farm. Both sides are just as bad as each other, they all need to calm down before it gets worse.

People didn't go round calling the IRA, catholic terrorists did they?

They were classed as Catholic Terrorists in the past, they do not now because the IRA do not carry out terroist attacks on mainland britain anymore. Or threaten to bomb airports or blow up airplanes.

But who's to say that the war is illegal? us? No, that's for the government to decide, and we can't really do much about it now. How would you go about punishing the government if they are the punishers and who exactly would you punish?

Ive been through this before, Im sick of repeating myself. The UN did not and Ill repeat did authorise the Invasion of Iraq. So yes it is illegal, maybe according to this country or the US it is not. Think if you ask the ordinary people on the street you willfind their views different.

And yes they is something you can do, when the next general election comes up, use your democratic vote if you live in the UK and vote them out.

The BNP may be a joke to you

As for the BNP, I wont even comment on that party.

I mean, come on. These muslim youths attacking the homes of four soldiers coming back from war? I'm sure as hell Brits there would be pissed off, they allow Muslims to immigrate to their country and suddenly they attack the homes of returning soldiers?

Do you have a source for that man, I want to read it thanks

Unfortunately there is no way to fight Radical Islam through the military. It has to be through education. Western culture and ideals brought to the Middle East and anywhere else.

Agrees with you 100%, through education and open discussion, is the only way each side are going to get through this, instead of violence or racial attacks.

There's a simple way to solve this in the UK or any other Western country, you introduce laws that state that any person(s) or group irrespective of their race colour or creed pose a threat to the indigenous population then they will be jailed and/or deported. Anyone preaching hate, murder and mayhem against other groups should be jailed, (that incudes the BNP) we all have to live together and we cannot afford the luxury of any radical group in a peacful society. There is a fine line in being free to express ones views in a democracy and using a democracy as a means to ferment hate and fear.

Would not even make a difference, laws will still be broken, and racial attacks will continue, with or without new laws being introduced.

The only way to solves problems like this is through open discussion, (without the violence), or through education.

On a side note though. If we in the Uk are not allowed to openly express our views, without being ridiculed for doing so. The what is this so called democracy for that we supposingly live in?

Just my 2 cents on this debate

Originally posted by Ross Cross
This leaked document claiming to emanate from The Church of England, criticises the British government's policy on Multiculturalism and it's favouritism towards muslims:

THe CofE of course has a history of hating and suppressing other religions, such as catholicism. THey have no moral authority on the matter and their saying that multiculturalism is 'bad' is utterly meaningless. The last time they tried to suppress another religion, it resulted in disasters for england that are still with us today, in the form of irish-n.irish hostilities.

Better to ignore the CofE.

The Church says 'privileged attention' has been given to the Islamic faith

? Stunningly hypocritical, considering that the hereditary head of state of england is the head of the CofE. If anyone is priviliged its the CofE.

These include "using public funds" to fly Muslim scholars to Britain, shelving legislation on forced marriage and encouraging financial arrangements to comply with Islamic requirements.

THe government should be working to promote peace and stability between its peoples. Not taking a stand against forced marriages is of course, assinine. But equally assinine is complaining about banks working with muslims to give out religiously acceptable loans.

spencerjohnstone
they do not want a mosquw in their area

They really don't have any right to bomb a building in order to prevent it from becoming, NOT a mosque, but a prayer room.

Weither you agree with it or not that should be left up to the individuals who liv in that community

Sure, but not the criminals who've decided to use violence instead of their voices. Arrest anyone that was using violence in this instance, muslim or otherwise. And why the heck should the community care if there is a simple official prayer room in a muslim owned business? If they don't want traffic, fine, but it seems that they simply feel that islam is stupid and these people shouldn't be allowed to practice their faith.

Both sides are just as bad as each other, they all need to calm down before it gets worse.

Says who? The muslims didn't firebomb the local church in order to prevent people from praying.

The UN did not and Ill repeat did authorise the Invasion of Iraq. So yes it is illegal

Preposterous, the UN has no authority to prevent all war. War is not illegal.

If we in the Uk are not allowed to openly express our views, without being ridiculed for doing so. The what is this so called democracy for that we supposingly live in?

It seems that the only people being oppresed in the UK are the muslims. Its a muslim business that was firebombed, and its the british that have a political party like the BNP calling out for their oppression. Everyone keeps complaining that if they speak out against muslims, they'll get labeled as racist. So what, if a person acts racist, then they are racist, people noting that isn't oppression.

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Originally posted by theukman
I pay my taxes my national insurance and my bills with the rest of you and I want to voice my opinion out there on the streets but I cant as I will be branded a racist and/or arrested.

Well said , the "PC" brigade would smear you a "Little Englander" or a "Islamaphobe" .

I Find myself boiling over with with rage when I see My Country being riden over rough shod by the Hate filled adgendas of these so called Muslims , Councils bending over backwards to comply with the seeming neverending lists of demands from the Left , often they are not even acting on the request of normal Muslim subjects , Preachers allowed to rant and rave in the streets , and so on.

Now I write from the heart when I say this , I have never ever met a person in my town who has not when the issue arises in conversation , who has anything but hostility for theese kind of people , Young, old, black , white male female , all kinds of normal folk who when pressed on this subject will sometimes respond with a degree of hatred that one would associate with the typical Nazis view on jews , others will respond with racsist jokes others with a shrug and a look of disdain and comments on there percieved views on what the government should do (send em back etc etc)

Now my opinion on the root cause of this problem is the Left , the "PC" brigade pandering to there whims , and as I have said before even taking action where none is even requested by regular Muslim subjects .

HOW IN THE NAME OF WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE IN CAN IT BE RIGHT THAT A SUBJECT OF THIS GREAT NATION NOT BE ALLOWED TO PROUDLY DISPLAY ITS FLAG??

its theese things that stir up the hatred theese things that when you open your paer in the morning , and yes I read the sun and the Telegraph I wouldn't wipe my Arse on the Mirror or the ridiculous rag that is the Guardian , you have come to a point where nothing shocks you anymore , nothing is too ridiculous there is nothing theese PC Garbage would not propose in order to pander to the mad mullahs and hate filled indoctrinated muslim youths who have very little prospects simply because they are not trying to integrate in to our society , THEY MUST INTEGRATE , I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PANDER TO THERE WHIMS .




Look at this picture taken in the capital of my Country The mind truely does boggle ........ Flanders ,Ypres , Normandy , what did they die for ? How long would I last standing in the Market place of my insignificant midlands town with a balaclava on , wearing jackboots , carrying a banner saying massacre those who insult England , 10 minutes? what ?

I say to the vermin in the picture and there ilk , stop claiming benefits , stop leaching from the state , if you hate it so much go home and do it now , and to all those who are quite thankfully in the majority (Muslims) hardworking taxpayers who are about as likely to want Sharia law as much as me keep at it pour shame on theese insects , go about your business with pride that you live in the greatest nation that there has ever or will ever be .

The normal people of Britain will eventually snap one day , and when they do chaos could ensue , hack away at the cancer of politiatcal correctness let us be decent and welcoming to those who deserve and let us shame and vilify those who would want to see the flag of "Islam" flying over Buckingham palace , let the police do there job in weeding out terror suspects and cells , with out having to cow tow to theese liberal fanatics who live daily the laughable fantasy of Multiculturalism , let people voice there opinions (if they are not down right inflamatory and indecent) with out having a fatwah issued against them .

If the days do come when it does come down to a "kickoff" there will only be one side victorious and thousands of Integrated Muslims will suffer becaus of the idiocy of the few and the ramblings of the misguided fools in townhalls all over England.

Lets hope it does not come to this .................. I too fear it will one day .

God save the Queen.



A memeber of the forgotten but not gone masses.


[edit on 9-10-2006 by buckaroo]

Originally posted by Nygdan
Please explain how my initial understanding, that the place was firebombed by angry white youths who wanted to target a muslim, was wrong????

The article you cite explicitly confirms that. That the bombers felt justified is meaningless.

Your original post on this subject was

"Muslims have it far too easy in the UK eh? By making things difficult for muslims there will be less aggitation from muslims???"

(and you link to an article on a fire bombing of a Muslim Dairy.

Whilst I fully agree the fire bombing was wrong you either through careless language or by concious choice gave the impression that they were minding their own business and were victims of an upnprovoked attack, you would admit I assume that this is not the case.

You will also have noted that at least some of the white youths involved have been arrested (see also BBC), the links I have seen are silent so I assume no action taken over the other attacks by Muslims. (1 law applied to all seems not to much to ask for?)

I note your debate with NeonHaze and it seems to me that he knows more about that religion than you do.

My fibnal comment will be on part of your debate with Neonhaze

(NH): I think you should read the Koran again if you think that.

(you) I certainly don't need to read the koran to see that the islam-dom is one of the most religiously diverse regions of the planet, and that christen-dom is one of the most religiously monolithic.

You havent read it but you can make this claim? on what basis?