Why The Criticism Of John Lear?

Originally posted by Access Denied

this post of mine to correct the bogus information given to you by Mr. Lear that you posted about the technical data regarding those images took me about an hour to research and prepare…

I would appreciate if you could post, from the 'new, improved' NASA data, an image of what the 'building' on the Copernicus 2 picture looks like now without the 'Venetian blinds'. I was unable to upload the 1mb tiff from your other post.

And just to be sure I understand this correctly, you are proposing that all the items, buildings, vapor, tanks, silos, cranes, DC-6's (cockpit sections) are just accidental artifacts, accidentally occuring somewhere between the original and 4th generation print?

Oh. You see them too, huh?

The more I read of John Lear's responses to these threads, the more I respect his position. I am also amazed at what idiots some people are. No offense of course.

Hydraulic fluid may have a color, but does it have to be that color? Isn't it processed and can't color be altered? What bothers me is when people say "I am an expert..." but then they are not able to put brackets around what they know, and consider the possibility of what else might be.

If we are talking about aliens, then we are talking about pixie-dust, ships which fly like butter and turn on immediate right angleswith no g-forces, etc. Please step forward and hold your hand way up if you are an expert on these things.

To try and discredit John Lear on these little trivial things is laughable and shows that some users really just want to be heard. They want to be the ones at the front of the pack watching for him to slip up. In my opinion however, they would be better served by sitting quietly and thinking up a good question.

It really is true that people will die --even disembowel themselves, to protect a lie which has been absorbed by them. Cognitive dissonance makes people cry and whine that NASA must be real. "It MUST be real because look at all the noble effort which goes into it!" But IMO, the things which are not spoken of, in our society, are the real touchstones for what is true and what is false. The things that get spoken of a lot (like religion, politics, NASA) are obviously all 'rigged'. The things that cannot be rigged, (ET, occult, past lives) are encouraged NEVER to be discussed, and if they are discussed, there must be a delphi-type attack on persons who raise such topics. I'm not sure how many NASA engineers have explored the taboo subjects above. Probably fewer than need to.

In looking at the world, I find many more truths "behind the curtain" where the big firey OZ-head is telling me NOT to look. I believe John Lear and sleeper are pulling that curtain aside, and I think the crocodile tears being cried by the traditionalists (fools and liars) and experts are really the most entertaining part. I have recently had extra-physical confirmation of everything sleeper says. I have been told that it is true, and actually is the way things work.

Also please note that John Lear is comfortable to engage himself in the pursuits that interest him (his small gold mine he is trying to enliven) and also that he has not lost his sense of humor or his love for his family. Love for family is primary in both John Lear's and sleeper's messages, yet so few of the critics mention this. There is a lot more here than meets the eye, but I feel that the whole quality of discussion could be raised by people looking INSIDE themselves before they post.


[edit on 5-10-2006 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by ignorant_ape

secondly -- and more distrubing -- you have claimed to be qualified as as "Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic" but claim as one ` get out clause ` that you might not have ever known what colour hydaraulic fluids ever were --

Actually, ignorant_ape, I was facetiously calling into question DEFCON5's spelling of 'hydraulic' fluid. (DEFCON5...."What color is Hydroic fluid?")

Yep you got me there…
You got me an a typo...
You should see how bad i type in chat.
Ask ape...
You would not happen to be a Freemason, would you?


Those that have been here awhile will get the joke…

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Hydraulic fluid may have a color, but does it have to be that color? Isn't it processed and can't color be altered?

Things happen fast on a ramp and stuff is the way it is for a specific reason. When you have limited personnel and you have late flights backing up into existing flights you need to be able to note something at a glance. Thus fluids have a certain color, texture, and smell to them.

There is a ton of stuff leaking off an aircraft at anyone time, condensation, oil, etc. You need to be able to walk up to a puddle dip a finger in it and tell by its color, feel, and smell if it is something that requires a maintenance call.

Would the color be altered? Yeah possibly somewhat, but pink/purple is not going to turn brown, clear or blue/green.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
If we are talking about aliens, then we are talking about pixie-dust, ships which fly like butter and turn on immediate right angleswith no g-forces, etc.

Many of his posts, especially that specific one are in relation to 911 aircraft.


[edit on 10/5/2006 by defcon5]

Originally posted by defcon5

Yep you got me there…
You got me an a typo...
You should see how bad i type in chat.
Ask ape...

You would not happen to be a Freemason, would you?


Those that have been here awhile will get the joke…

Thanks for the post DEFCON5. No I am not a Freemason. But, when you brought up the color of hydraulic fluid it reminded me of some of the disadvantages I had of being 'medium red-green' color blind and working as a pilot for living. I had a waiver for color vision deficiency. Identifying and checking levels of hydraulic fluid was a major pain because I could not see the 'level' especially inside of that usually dirty tube or round piece of glass. Another was identification of AvGas. Another major pain was seeing the VASI. On a night visual I cold absolutely not tell red from white until within about 2 miles, so I would end up asking the co-pilot (if I hadn't intentially given him the leg) "How's it look to you?"
"Look both red to me...." "HOLY SHEEEEEEEEEE!!!" "Climb! Climb! Climb! Aoooogaaaa! Aoooogaaaa!Aoooogaaaa" And for those of hiding under your beds in case I might be still flying out there, I retired 6 years ago. My certificates, all 11 of them, are safely laminated, framed and hang on the wall in my den, never to be used again. My biennial has been expired for 4 years, my medical for 5, all my aviation subscriptions have lapsed except for ProPilot and for some reason I can't get it stopped. Heck, I don't even look up anymore unless there is a flying saucer.

Originally posted by johnlear
No I am not a Freemason

I really did not mean for you to answer that, it was a reference to the fact that the Mason crowd on here would often resort to picking on grammar and spelling at times to disprove a poster..

It was a joke, although one you would have had to be around for a while to understand.

Originally posted by johnlear
I had of being 'medium red-green' color blind and working as a pilot for living. I had a waiver for color vision deficiency.

Yeah that would make it tougher. My father had this problem and once he actually bought a pink dress shirt to wear with a brown suit…

He of course thought it was white.


It always killed me how pilots could become master mechanics when they knew that this or that broken part would take to long to get there and they could stay an extra day in Florida….

Originally posted by johnlear
VASI. On a night visual I cold absolutely not tell red from white until within about 2 miles, so I would end up asking the co-pilot (if I hadn't intentially given him the leg) "How's it look to you?"
"Look both red to me...." "HOLY SHEEEEEEEEEE!!!" "Climb! Climb! Climb! Aoooogaaaa! Aoooogaaaa!Aoooogaaaa"

Yep, I hated those little lights when I was trying to learn to land a plane the first time too.

Well, John, I guess we don’t have to agree on everything, but you seem like an ok guy.
Talk at you later on…

[edit on 10/5/2006 by defcon5]

This forum rules. I don't even have to talk to anyone on here to learn anything

Yeah, I tell you what, John. Regardless of whether or not I believe what you have to say, you seem like a very level-headed guy, you've got wit, and you aren't easily riled. I'm going to start a tenative look at your material before passing any judgment. I'd like to get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. What thread link, in your opinion, do you recommend I start reading to give your material proper consideration.

This is in no way a suggestion that I believe what you have to say, but your responses have intrigued me enough to approach your information a little more open-mindedly and give it some thought. Thus, I would like you to be able to make the best case you can, or read your best case already existing out there. I'll withhold any further judgment until then.

I've never even heard of John Lear but I have been followed around for years by critics.

A critic is someone with no life of their own.

When things are taken out of context then they are not relevant.


Context is Everything


[edit on 5-10-2006 by probedbygrays]

Originally posted by thelibra

Yeah, I tell you what, John. Regardless of whether or not I believe what you have to say, you seem like a very level-headed guy, you've got wit, and you aren't easily riled. I'm going to start a tenative look at your material before passing any judgment. I'd like to get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. What thread link, in your opinion, do you recommend I start reading to give your material proper consideration.

This is in no way a suggestion that I believe what you have to say, but your responses have intrigued me enough to approach your information a little more open-mindedly and give it some thought. Thus, I would like you to be able to make the best case you can, or read your best case already existing out there. I'll withhold any further judgment until then.

Thanks for you comments thelibra. Unfortunately since I was never trying to sell any particular idea or 'case' I never wrote a book or started a website. I wrote a paper or 2 but they are way outdated. I join various threads that others start to put in my 2 cents worth but because I have no particular ax to grind have never started a thread of my own.

I sorry that I don't have any suggestions of where to begin. And I don't have a 'best' case. Its all weird.

John, I just want to thank you for taking the time to reply to people here. I'm sure you probably have more important things to do, yet you use some of your time to post here. Some of the stuff you say is outrageous, and I'm not saying I believe you, or that I don't believe you....but I once heard someone say "The truth is weirder than the lie"

Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks for you comments thelibra. Unfortunately since I was never trying to sell any particular idea or 'case' I never wrote a book or started a website. I wrote a paper or 2 but they are way outdated. I join various threads that others start to put in my 2 cents worth but because I have no particular ax to grind have never started a thread of my own.

I sorry that I don't have any suggestions of where to begin. And I don't have a 'best' case. Its all weird.

(blink)

Umm... Well... would you like to start one? I'd offer to read your papers, but if they're out of date, then it would serve neither of us a good purpose. You obviously have enough of a following here to have merited writing one, and enough people who are curious to see what your claims were (or are) about.

I wouldn't think about it as a way to capitalize (sp) on anything, or to grind any axes, but rather just to state your case, what you believe, and evidence that lead to those conclusions, all in one nice thread. I honestly want you to have a chance to make your case. I can't guarentee it will change anyone's minds, or that everyone will take you seriously, but you know that at least several of us are willing to listen and decide for ourselves, instead of having to rely on the judgments of others.

(edit +) I mean, to be honest, I have no idea who you are, why people would pay you to speak, and what you would have spoken about. I don't mean that as an insult or anything of the sort, but rather that I was completely oblivious that there was even a "John Lear" up until a couple of weeks ago, and the only reason I became curious about all this is that I suddenly started seeing post after post of "John Lear says this", "John Lear says that," and "John Lear says th'other." Well, not to discount the vision of my fellow posters, but I'd rather hear it from you.

[edit on 10/5/2006 by thelibra]

Originally posted by thelibra

Umm... Well... would you like to start one?

Thanks thelibra but I just don't have the time not to mention I don't even have a 'case'. I consider it an honor for you to make the offer but I wouldn't know where to start.

You might start with the Questions for John Lear thread. Then if there was an area that you were interested in maybe I could suggest another thread.

Again thanks for your posts.

sorry, this is kinda out of nowhere, but john i really think you should go on the radio program coast to coast, that would really help put your word out and i think you could explain your views much more and i think people will understand you better

Originally posted by IRDCC

sorry, this is kinda out of nowhere, but john i really think you should go on the radio program coast to coast, that would really help put your word out and i think you could explain your views much more and i think people will understand you better

I was on for the whole program just a few months ago. George was a real nice guy.

Oh really, i didn't know that, ill have to download it and listen. Do you remember the date by chance?

You know i read this whole thread and it was some what of a task, im just a simple minded hillbilly probably not as smart, or as articualte, as most here ,and when some of you post all these facts and figures, about planet and moons stuff like that to try and disprove something someone said it really makes my head hurt, because if there getting their info, from some other source does that make it hard to believe maybe, but were are you getting yours? THANK GOD FOR SPELL CHECK.

Originally posted by IRDCC

Oh really, i didn't know that, ill have to download it and listen. Do you remember the date by chance?

May 11, 2006

John, does knowing what you know ever make it hard to keep living? I mean...you have to be pretty paranoid.

Originally posted by UnstoppableForce

John, does knowing what you know ever make it hard to keep living? I mean...you have to be pretty paranoid.

Nope. As a matter of fact its kind of neat. I never know whats going to happen next. Like one day last year, in the dead of winter, I'm all alone in the evening in my cabin, 50 miles from nowhere, and a trapper stops by to say hello. Pretty soon I'm learning all about one of the most secret areas of the test site (not Area51) being told by one of the guys who built it. Really strange.

Always a phone call, visit or email to keep life interesting. Of course there is always that possibility that you step on someones toes without realizing it. Some little seemingly inconsequential piece of information that makes you wonder, "Now why would that piss anyone off." But whatever it was, some nice chap steps through the door and says, "Time to go bye bye, John. BLAM.