october 5th mass demos

Originally posted by selfless
to shadowflux,


It's mostly about demonstrating to the WORLD that the american people do not support their own goverment and this notion will give a perception that the own people of the facsist goverment wants things to change.

It must be heard that the people have no say in their lifes and they won't stand for it anymore.

It will show the people in control that their brain washing methods are flawed.

It's a step foward in our collective consciousness, there will be many more of these frequencies.

Selfless,

I understand what you're saying but what about the thousands of Americans who do support their government? Whether they are brainwashed or misled or whatever, they still have the right to support their own government. I personally think it's a bad idea to convince the world that the American people no longer support the American government. Whether or not you support it, if you live here, you sure as hell depend on it. If this group managed to convince the world that there is no confidence in the Government what do you think would happen to the value of the dollar, to our international influence, our political alliances, to our trade and exports?

My point is that you have to research who you're protesting for, the Revolutionary Communist Party would probably love to see the Dollar go belly up due to a lack of confidence in the Government. If you feel a certain way about somthing then speak up for yourself, you don't need to wait for someone else to set a day for you to speak your mind. Protest anyday you'd like, do it all day any day. Maybe if you did it whole heartedly you would convince others to do the same.

From what I've read this "protest" seems to be like all the others, there're more concerts, cookouts and sing a longs planned than actual protests. No wonder everyone is skipping work to go :p

Hmmmmm... what was that? Did someone say something? Protest you say... something about people leaving their jobs and leaving school to voice displeasure with the government. Hmmmmm... what year is it again? Is it still 1969??? It's not!? 2006 you say!!!??? Like Wow, man! Does that mean that I should leave my tie-dye and my bong at home, man? Trip-py!!!

Come on people!!! Get a FREAKIN' LIFE!!! Protest with your vote in November! Walking around, blocking traffic and chanting your gay slogans and your stupid mis-spelled signs is a complete JOKE! I mean, it's LAUGHABLE!!! It doesn't change a damned thing! 90% of these bonehead incumbents are going to be re-elected and we'll still be simmering in the same exact sh*tpot that were simmering in now. Take some of that energy and channel it into something meaningful that will result in tangible and palatable change - not some stupid media event that will give you your 15 seconds of fame and give the rest of us something to laugh at. Stupid hippies!

To shadowflux,


The people that will go protest against bush are doing it because they want things to change for the better, they won't be advertising the site for the protest.

I am prety sure that some of the people who will follow the protests aren't even aware of that site.

You can protest against bush with out having to support the indivisual reasons of every persons that protest.


It's about peace and control of out own lives.


And...... standing up for our selves.

Originally posted by Shadowflux
If you feel a certain way about somthing then speak up for yourself, you don't need to wait for someone else to set a day for you to speak your mind. Protest anyday you'd like, do it all day any day. Maybe if you did it whole heartedly you would convince others to do the same.

I protest every day i am alive, my way of life is not the same as those who accepts the system they are living in, my way of life is my very own and it does not support the goverment in any way.

I am a test that failed in the eyes of the goveremnt.

I am encouraging people to protest today because it's today that everyone will do so and it's a stronger message when everyone all stand up at once to deliver the message that we are not gonna take it anymore.

Reply to kozmo,

maybe it's because some people think like you that things don't change.



Edited: quote taken out.

[edit on 5-10-2006 by selfless]

[edit on 5-10-2006 by selfless]

They won't even talk about it on CNN. Please take pictures and videos of the protesters and the polices against you, it would be interesting.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
They won't even talk about it on CNN.

Please take pictures and videos of the protesters and the polices against you, it would be interesting.

yeah insted they are showing bush pretending to care about kids.

Kozmo

I think many people found in the election before last in America that voting no longer has any effect in the race for the white house.

Also the revelations recently of the software and fixed votes may leave people feeling a bit untrustworthy of exercising their right to vote in the worlds leading democracy (mmm ahem well its called that).

In addition I feel you may find that if someone miss spells a statement they would like to make, it may actually be the governments fault that their is not secure, safe or good education for certain parts of the population.

Also waiting till November isn’t really a very good way to confront something, if you believe that thing is corruption, and that your fellow citizens are being killed daily in Iraq over lies. Also many of the people going to these rallies believe that there exists a very hard right or nearly Nazi government in control, a real wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Also many many of your citizens rightly believe there is really no way that Sept 11th has been explained properly and some government knowledge or involvement was there.

Many many people are concerned that the Bush administration has been proven to be withholding and manipulating evidence on the facts of Climate Change, for their own personal financial benefit, disregarding the very real and growing danger to all life forms that live upon the earth.

I think maybe you need to get a life and I applaud those who exercise their fast decreasing freedoms and liberties.

Welcome to my ignore list, truly the most one sided, unintelligent and blind faith post ive read in some time. goodbye.

Regards

Elf

ps if you know your stuff on this issue you may find that a large reason that the Vietnam war stopped was due to such protests, and that the people who were water cannoned, tear gassed, shot, and baton charged, were at the time the crop of Americas intelligentsia or those waiting to be in some of the best universities in the country. Bloody Hippies eh? well I prefer Hippies to Muppets any day. I also think you may find that as 10% of the population is homosexual or "gay" as you term it your comments may be offensive to some. They have their own marches way of changing popular culture to accept their group more and are a separate issue, so I find that remark actually homophobic and Puerile.

Also please tell the followers of Martin Luther King that protests make no changes, these actions like Miss Parks refusing to get off the "white only" seat on a bus DO lead to changes in policy, law, and social structures. The very act of dumbing down the US population has reinforced your view nation wide, that we cant make change. This is what they want you to believe, if only people realised, and acted on their Personal Power like this in huge numbers, we could make the world that Humanity wants and deserves, not one that a few billionaires and politicians wants.


[edit on 5-10-2006 by MischeviousElf]

Thank you elf, simply for having a conscience and a mind of your own.

I was talking about peace to a person from usa and he called me a ****ing commy.

Then a ****ing hippy and also a ****ing liberal.

I am what i am, i am not a category, i want peace, i want nature not to be destroyed for it is more important then the invented concepts that leads to nowhere except the destruction of nature it self.

This goes to show me the mindset of some people when they try to categorize you it's almost as if the goverment warns them to do so, oh wait they do....



I am not a hippy, i am not a commy, i am not a liberal.

I simply am.

I try not to categorize people. But my main argument to all these protestors has always been "What're you gonna do?"

Honestly, protesting is good and all but what if it actually gets Bush out of office? What plans have these people set up in case they succeed?

It's easy to call people closed minded and wrong but I think it's completely negligant to have all these people protesting and not have a better plan drawn up. It's easy to complain when things go wrong but how would you make it go right?

None of these protestors ever have a clue of what they would do if they won, they go into it knowing it's a fruitless effort. It's nice to say you want peace and love and honesty, but does anyone have an idea of how to make these ideals a reality?

People are going to this protest today for a group created by a communist revelutionary party and advocating the downfall of the federal government and expecting that peace and love will just be the default.

shadowflux,


At least it will show that they don't like the way things are going and when a new dickhead is president and he's just as bad as bush they won't like him more then bush.

It shows that the people are not fooled by this facade they placed infront of them and it's the first steps towards a revolution.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
First test for the new fascists law they passed on the 28. It'll be interesting, i hope this bring revolution. I won't be able to participe, because i'm not even in the US but if I would be able to go, I would go for sure to show them that we don't fear to demonstrate that the entire world is tired of this crap and want their constitution back no matter what.

Vitchilo, I was wondering if you could tell me what the "New Facist Law" is about?

[edit on 10/5/2006 by darkbluesky]

And ironicaly the people would know how to acheive peace if they were not brain washed and this will only be done when they take control of their own reality.

when that day comes it will be the true next level of perception.

So how's that protest going? I haven't heard anything about it on the news.

I haven't heard anything yet either. From my office in Williamsburg in Brooklyn you'd have no idea anything was going on at all. Though I hear most of it is going on down near Union Square where all the rallies, particularly communist ones, have been held since forever.

By the way ClosetTrekkie, come out of the closet! Be proud! Without Trek we wouldn't have the world we live in now!

Originally posted by closettrekkie
So how's that protest going? I haven't heard anything about it on the news.

No kidding, they won't show us the news important to us...


I heard they actually show ufo's on the news in mexico.

Maybe it's not on the news because nothing really ever came of it? The first time I ever heard of a protest was on this site.

Originally posted by jsobecky
There are occasions where free speech zones are warranted.

Obviously a selective fan of the constitution.

And Chavez shouldn't have to "allow" protests. It should be in their constitution.

You just never bother looking things up, do you? Spout away... two minutes on Google is all it takes to find a copy of the Venezuelan Constitution. And we find:

Article 52: Everyone has the right to assemble for lawful purposes, in accordance with law. The State is obligated to facilitate the exercise of this right.

Article 53: Everyone has the right to meet publicly or privately, without obtaining permission in advance, for lawful purposes and without weapons. Meetings in public places may be regulated by law.

Article 57: Everyone has the right to express freely his or her thoughts, ideas or opinions orally, in writing or by any other form of expression, and to use for such purpose any means of communication and diffusion, and no censorship shall be established...

And I don't see how what amounts to a pep rally for Palestine equates to a protest against the Venezuelan gov't.

Why didn't you also cite the Nov. 16 action that Chavez took?

I just found some protests that had taken place and put the first ones up I came across. I'm not going to spend endless time over it when all it takes is a couple of instances to disprove your point. You made the sweeping statment that no demonstrations were allowed. I'm just trying to deny ignorance. I have a lot of sympathy for Chavez, but it's not like I think the guy can do no wrong. I'm fond of seeing people standing up to the world's bully, though. Wish my government did more of it.

[qupte]There are too many other anti-US people around for me to spend any more time in this thread arguing with you. I'm outta here.

Ok bye bye



[edit on 5-10-2006 by rich23]

Originally posted by closettrekkie
Maybe it's not on the news because nothing really ever came of it? The first time I ever heard of a protest was on this site.

well acording to the site there were millions who were ready to protest.