How did Atta's passport actually survive?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

As you the same effect as USA buying middle Eastern oil?

So you have no citable proof then?

And you did not answer “By the way, is the Obama administration on the hook for the next big terror attack? By releasing millions to Iran? ”

Why do conspiracists always throw little rants asking questions and demanding evidence, but never practice intellectual honesty by answering questions leveled at the? By not providing evidence?

Because it not about truth, it’s about pushing innuendo.

Are you saying we are not funding terrorists, or never have funded terrorists. Are you saying that?

a reply to: Jay-morris

Quote where I ever said that.

Now, can you cite evidence the USA government directly funneled money to the Middle East to pay for the 9/11 terrorists’ flight schools, flight time, and simulator training.

How is the money the USA sinks into the Middle East any different than the profits created by the millions of consumers that buy Middle Eastern oil?

Are you saying crude oil and gasoline profits don’t go to support terrorists?

a reply to: Jay-morris

Nice of you to forget to cite the part from my posts the 400 million to Iran that ended up in terrorists pockets. Like to try to create anymore false arguments about my posts?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

Nice of you to forget to cite the part from my posts the 400 million to Iran that ended up in terrorists pockets. Like to try to create anymore false arguments about my posts?

No, just try to figure out how much of your head is up your governments a**.

So, do you belive that the West has funded, and still fund terrorists?

a reply to: Jesushere


You're right about all that, the numbers don't lie, and they damn sure do not support the official story. As Kean said, they were set up to fail, for all the obvious reasons.

neutronflux You don't find it strange the neocons proposed in 1997 removing hostile regimes in the middle east? They talked about regime change in Iraq pre 9/11. When Bush won the election and neocons got important jobs in defence positions 9/11 just happens to occur?

It obvious the Pentagon attack was a staged event.

FDR information placed the 757 plane NE of the Navy Annex and NE of the Cisco station. The FAA Reagan radar returns placed the plane NE. Eyewitnesses on the day saw a plane NE, not South West. All this information together proves a conspiracy and 9/11 commission findings are wrong. The downed light poles have to be a staged event when the plane was heading NE..

a reply to: Jay-morris

Do you believe the profit made by Middle Eastern Governments by selling oil goes to terrorists.

Please quote where I ever said no to: “So, do you belive that the West has funded, and still fund terrorists?”

And I did quote from a source the 400 million given to the Iran government helped fund terrorists. So what do you think the answer to your question is.

Now provide evidence or cite a source the USA government directly funneled money to the Middle East so the 9/11 terrorists could be trained.

Here is this.... do you have anything to supersede the information linked to the article below?

www.cnn.com...

Prince and the '28 pages': Indirect 9/11 link to Saudi royal revealed
By Jennifer Rizzo

Is it false to say Middle Eastern terrorists don’t care where the money flows from, the only common denominator is to wage jihad on the west

a reply to: Jesushere

FDR information placed the 757 plane NE of the Navy Annex and NE of the Cisco station. The FAA Reagan radar returns placed the plane NE. Eyewitnesses on the day saw a plane NE, not South West. All this information together proves a conspiracy and 9/11 commission findings are wrong. The downed light poles have to be a staged event when the plane was heading NE..

Is a false argument by you.

Show where:

By Pilgrum
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It must be about 10 years or more now but it was a subject of much discussion here on ATS at the time so perhaps you could still find something in this forum. I've studied the FDR data and the compass heading in the 757 was magnetic back then (2001 pre GPS). I noticed that the map overlay was actually aligned to geographic north and a check confirmed that the declination for Washington DC in 2001 was approx 11 degrees and that almost perfectly corrected for the discrepancy.

The animation for public consumption used the raw numbers out of the FDR without accounting for declination by adjusting the map accordingly but I wouldn't think it was intended to be a precise representation, just a visual aid to show the final movements of the plane.

All I could find right now is this pic I marked up long ago which should be self-explainatory.

Is wrong. Hats off to the hard work of Pilgrum. Now show how Pilgrum is wrong.

By the way, the vast majority of the 12 or 15 north approach witnesses atest to a large commercial jet hitting the pentagon. Compared to the 100 plus eyewitness that attest to a large commercial jet hitting the pentagon along the contact damage flight path.

You do not have a counter argument to the explanation from the goof up in the National Safety Board’s simulation as presented by Pilgrum. And you are using a simulation to discredit the physical evidence attested to by witnesses without providing a more credible argument what caused the physical evidence?

You don’t have a case? Endless you want to state a theory to supersede flight 77 hit the pentagon.

a reply to: Jesushere

If you think one messed up simulator as outlined by Pilgrum is evidence of flight 77 not hitting the pentagon, then create a thread about it?

Why do conspiracists have to go off topic? If it was impossible for the passport to end up on the street?

Do you have any evidence it would be impossible for the passport to end up on the street?

I think it might have been in a carryon opened by a curious person on the street?

Do you have a possible theory and motive?

neutronflux I never told you flight 77 did not crash at the Pentagon? My dispute is the location of the plane before it hit the west wall.

Even if this was true NTSB animation was wrong. The FAA animation is separate and the Reagan airport radar returns also place the plane NE of the Pentagon. Two f**k-ups And the animation match with eyewitnesses view of the plane.

Witnesses saw as plane nobody disputing that but how many of those eyewitnesses were asked about where they saw the plane exactly what side North or South?

originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux I never told you flight 77 did not crash at the Pentagon? My dispute is the location of the plane before it hit the west wall.

Even if this was true NTSB animation was wrong. The FAA animation is separate and the Reagan airport radar returns also place the plane NE of the Pentagon. Two f**k-ups

And the animation match with eyewitnesses view of the plane.

Witnesses saw as plane nobody disputing that but how many of those eyewitnesses were asked about where they saw the plane exactly what side North or South?

Sounds like a great chance to start a new thread by actually citing sources to prove there was a mistake. And how to rectify it with the actual documented physical evidence and the 100 plus eyewitness accounts you have to discredit. And cite a more credible explanation for the evidence than the impact of flight 77. Because, so far in this thread about a passport in New York you are batting about 100 on all the off topic crap you are flinging at the wall.

Now, what would be the motivation for planting the passport in the street. Something to do with the actual title of this thread. “How did Atta's passport actually survive?”

a reply to: neutronflux

If these 100 eyewitnesses saw a plane hitting light poles you have a point, most of them just saw a plane hitting the Pentagon.

We have two animations released by the FAA and NTSB both support an NE flight path for 77 and multiple eyewitnesses saw a plane NE of Cisco station. This evidence would win a court case for the truther camp.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jay-morris

Do you believe the profit made by Middle Eastern Governments by selling oil goes to terrorists.

Please quote where I ever said no to: “So, do you belive that the West has funded, and still fund terrorists?”

And I did quote from a source the 400 million given to the Iran government helped fund terrorists. So what do you think the answer to your question is.

Now provide evidence or cite a source the USA government directly funneled money to the Middle East so the 9/11 terrorists could be trained.

Here is this.... do you have anything to supersede the information linked to the article below?

www.cnn.com...

Prince and the '28 pages': Indirect 9/11 link to Saudi royal revealed
By Jennifer Rizzo

Is it false to say Middle Eastern terrorists don’t care where the money flows from, the only common denominator is to wage jihad on the west

Look, it is not a hard question to answer! Do you believe the was has funded, and still is funding terrorists?

I am not even talking about 9/11.

Just answer the question with a simple yes or no please!

originally posted by: Jesushere
a reply to: neutronflux

If these 100 eyewitnesses saw a plane hitting light poles you have a point, most of them just saw a plane hitting the Pentagon.

We have two animations released by the FAA and NTSB both support an NE flight path for 77 and multiple eyewitnesses saw a plane NE of Cisco station. This evidence would win a court case for the truther camp.

Would be a great new thread.

Do you have anything concerning something that actually happen in New York in line with this thread: “How did Atta's passport actually survive?”

Back on topic!!!!

How did Atta's passport actually survive?

Other aspects of 9/11 belong in other threads!


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It is absolutly rediculus to think that a plane, that pretty much disintegrated on impact, dropped a passport that so happened to be from one of the terrorists. You really could not make this nonsense up!

originally posted by: Jay-morris
It is absolutly rediculus to think that a plane, that pretty much disintegrated on impact, dropped a passport that so happened to be from one of the terrorists. You really could not make this nonsense up!

In your mind maybe but you'd be surpised what can survive an impact like that

a reply to: Jay-morris

Maybe think about it in terms of probability of passengers on a domestic flight having their passport with them. There might a few citizens but pretty much all foreigners in the country on visas would be carrying their passport and/or other papers. Kinda ups the likelihood of a found passport belonging to one of those foreigners wouldn't you think?

If a passport were to be found at all that is.

I've seen mention of a number of other identifying items like ID cards, drivers licenses etc found belonging to passengers on the planes but this one passport gets all the attention.

How many other passports were found?

originally posted by: Jay-morris
It is absolutly rediculus to think that a plane, that pretty much disintegrated on impact, dropped a passport that so happened to be from one of the terrorists. You really could not make this nonsense up!

Really from a thread I did on the Empire State Building crash.

The body of the Navy hitch-hiker Albert Perna was found two days after the crash at the bottom of an elevator shaft

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