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how can a plant that does so much good for society be banned across the world?
Originally posted by optimus fett
how can a plant that does so much good for society be banned across the world?
ive never seen it do 'so much good'....sure i agree it can assist in relief from artharitic conditions and some stress like you mentioned..
but....
i have friends that have been turned into recks by the stuff; granted after many years of participation in large quantatties, paranoia, emotional imbalance, short term memory loss, respiratory problems to name only a few of the side effects.
As long as they can measure wether a persons being taking it at the road side then fine..legalize it and put up big penaltys like drink driving for offenders of miss use.
Id like to see all those scally 'penny drug dealers' put out of buisness by making it freely available in the shops.
Originally posted by forestlady
You mention that MJ has been used to "cure" MS, epilepsy, etc. I've never known it to actually cure anything except glaucoma. Do you mean that they help the sick person deal more comfortably with their illness such as using MJ for the nausea that comes with cancer treatments? Or is their research that it has actually cured something?
And I agree, alcohol and cigarettes are far worse drugs. There are no withdrawal symptoms and no side effects. It has been used medicinally by indigenous Mexican curanderos (healers) for an extremely long time. And, lately, there is some evidence that MJ may prevent Alzheimer's.
Originally posted by TheAnt
In ancient times, it was believed to be a panacea. I never said that it was smoked to help relieve these diseases. It has somewhere over 60 chemicals in it, that if extracted from the plant can help with curing.
Originally posted by forestlady
Originally posted by TheAnt
In ancient times, it was believed to be a panacea. I never said that it was smoked to help relieve these diseases. It has somewhere over 60 chemicals in it, that if extracted from the plant can help with curing.
OK, I'm confused. MJ IS smoked to help relieve the suffering of some illnesses, that is a fact. Are you saying it doesn't? ANd I will certainly agree that it is a "panacea", it's good for a whole lot of things. But can you provide sources for your claims of curing? I'm not trying to be rude, I try to be as informed as I can about the medical MJ issue, I think it's important. But I do like to be careful in what/who I'm quoting, so references are very helpful. Thank you.
Originally posted by TONE23
Also MJ does NOT cause cancer.... no link to cancer... so it being bad for the resperatory system is crap...
Smoking any substance- tobacco, marijuana, or "crack," a smokable form of coc aine-increases a smoker's risk of developing bacterial pneumonia and other infections of the lungs, according to the findings of drug abuse, smoking and health, and AIDS researchers.
Although some drugs seem to have specific damaging effects when smoked, smoking anything appears to damage or paralyze the cilia, the hair-like projections in the lungs that sweep out microbes and other matter that can cause disease, according to NIDA-funded studies. Damaging the lung's cilia, the respiratory system's first line of defense, can have severe consequences for people with weak immune systems, the studies note.
www.nida.nih.gov...
The researchers found that smoking either marijuana or tobacco produces significant damage to the cilia in the lining of the airways. Among smokers of both marijuana and tobacco, it appears that the effects of marijuana add to the effects of tobacco, and vice versa. "The damage to the ciliated cells in the lining of the airways caused by smoking tobacco, and/or marijuana weakens the ability of the lungs to remove inhaled particles, making the lungs more vulnerable to infection," says Dr. Tashkin.
Cocaine smokers had fewer significant abnormalities than marijuana or tobacco smokers did- but more abnormalities than were detected among nonsmokers, Dr. Tashkin says. Among people who smoke both tobacco and coc aine, coc aine smoking appears to produce injury to the mucosal lining of the airways beyond that caused by smoking tobacco alone.
Originally posted by TONE23
NOONE has EVER died from pot....ever!
Originally posted by TONE23
I can get sources to back up everything I say on this subject and already have on multiple other threads here.
Originally posted by chissler
Noone has ever smoked a doob and got in a car accident? I'll save myself the time and energy of producing facts surrounding motor vehicle accidents involving drivers who were under the influence of Marijuana.
Originally posted by TheAnt
MJ makes a person more focused and attentive, so I really don't see how they could get in a car accident under thhe influence.
Central effects of cannabinoids include disruption of psychomotor behaviour, short-term memory impairment, intoxication, stimulation of appetite, antinociceptive actions (particularly against pain of neuropathic origin) and anti-emetic effects.
brain.oxfordjournals.org...
Bolding added by chissler for emphasis
Effects on the Brain
Scientists have learned a great deal about how THC acts in the brain to produce its many effects. When someone smokes marijuana, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to organs throughout the body, including the brain.
In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement4.
The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana abuse indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system5 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine6. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.
www.nida.nih.gov...
Originally posted by chissler
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So inhaling smoke is good for the respiratory system? No links to cancer?
U.S. study sees no marijuana link to lung cancer
Baby-boomer research results surprise doctors expecting to find connection
LOS ANGELES - Marijuana smoking does not increase a person's risk of developing lung cancer, according to the findings of a new study at the University of California Los Angeles that surprised even the researchers.
They had expected to find that a history of heavy marijuana use, like cigarette smoking, would increase the risk of cancer.
Instead, the study, which compared the lifestyles of 611 Los Angeles County lung cancer patients and 601 patients with head and neck cancers with those of 1,040 people without cancer, found no elevated cancer risk for even the heaviest pot smokers. It did find a 20-fold increased risk of lung cancer in people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day.
source: msnbc.com
original quote by:chissler
You all make great points in the defense of Marijuana. But your biggest flaw is the fact you can not admit to the problems to the drug and try to outweight them by the so called Pro's.
roginal quote by: chissler
So it can be proven that inhaling ANY form of smoke is certainly detrimental to your health and respiratory system. Do I need to discuss the importance of the cilia in the lungs?
original quote by: chissler
Noone has ever smoked a doob and got in a car accident? I'll save myself the time and energy of producing facts surrounding motor vehicle accidents involving drivers who were under the influence of Marijuana.
original quote by: chissler
Which is why you are a great member of ATS and the reasoning why I am willing to battle it out with you on a subject that has no answer.
original quote by: chissler
I will call you out on one thing. You often talk about the CIA, DEA, etc. and their involvement in the drug trade. The importing of drugs so they can prosper and whatnot. Provide some support to these claims.
original quote by: chissler
We do not want to read something that Joe Shmo has typed on the internet. Something with some credentials.
original quote by: chissler
Marijuana can be beneficial in two ways. To help with pain on cancer patients and to help the victims of Glaucoma. Nothing else, to proclaim it has is to knowingly post false information.
Marijuana might cause new cell growth in the brain
22:00 13 October 2005
NewScientist.com news service
Kurt Kleiner
A synthetic chemical similar to the active ingredient in marijuana makes new cells grow in rat brains. What is more, in rats this cell growth appears to be linked with reducing anxiety and depression. The results suggest that marijuana, or its derivatives, could actually be good for the brain.
In mammals, new nerve cells are constantly being produced in a part of the brain called the hippocampus, which is associated with learning, memory, anxiety and depression. Other recreational drugs, such as alcohol, nicotine and coc aine, have been shown to suppress this new growth. Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, Canada, and colleagues decided to see what effects a synthetic cannabinoid called HU210 had on rats' brains.
source: newscientist.com
original quote by: chissler
Why do we believe that legalizing Marijuana is the path to take? If anything, decriminalization is the path. Members are screaming how they are sick and tired of filling our prison systems with these innocent people.
original quote by: chissler
Well someone who is busted with a small amount of marijuana is the victim. They recieve a criminal record for something so miniscule, and are affected for years to come. If your busted with large amounts you could be charged, busted for dealing you could find a bigger fine.
original quote by: chissler
I know PLENTY of people who have been busted on drug related charges. Possession, Dealing, Intent to Deal, etc. None of them have done a night in prison, but all have seen some heavy fines. If anyone is doing in time for a Marijuana related offense, they must of had an awful amount in their pocket.
Originally posted by TheAnt
Did your facts happen to say if they were also intoxicated under alcohol? MJ makes a person more focused and attentive, so I really don't see how they could get in a car accident under thhe influence. Now if alcohol was mixed into the equation, which I'm almost positive it is, then thats where the problem arises. I'm sure that most statistics, especially if from government and agencies that want thhe plant to stay illegal will always leave out thhis fact of the amount of alcohol in the system as well.
2e.) Illegal Activity: Discussion of any illegal activities such as drug use, drug paraphernalia, hacking, etc. are strictly forbidden.
Originally posted by TONE23
side note
so far this thread is going great.. I just want to take this opportunity to remind everyone that posts in this thread to adhere to the ATS T&C
2e.) Illegal Activity: Discussion of any illegal activities such as drug use, drug paraphernalia, hacking, etc. are strictly forbidden.
not that anyone has violated it yet in this thread.. but these MJ threads always seem to degenerate into a personal account of how they feel while smoking pot. I just wanted to make sure that anyone that posts in this thread is aware of this rule before they post... I do not wish to see this thread close.. so lets all just keep this in mind....Like I said noone has broken T&C yet in this thread .. but I just want to keep it that way....
thanks for your time.
[edit on 9/24/2006 by TONE23]
Originally posted by John Nada
However, I have friends who have smoked it for years and they don't operate any differently to when they're off it, it just relaxes them. I guess this means its effects are pretty much down to the individuals state of mind, a bit like alcohol.
Originally posted by chissler
Well it is a bit like alcohol, but it is not based on their state of mind.
Its called Tolerance.
Repeated use of MJ is going to build up a tolerance. If they continue to use the same amount of the drug, its going to have a very little effect on them. So this should not be used as an example to minimize the effects of MJ, but it should be used to understand the tolerance our body can build.