Hugo Chavez speaking at the UN Against American Imperialism and Bush the Devil

Chavez is so full of crap he could float back to Venezuela.
I'm no Bush fan, but as others have said, when addressing the U.N. council one should maintain a level of professionalism and decorum. But instead he jumped on the anti-America bandwagon and shot his mouth off, revealing a humorous ignorance of the U.N.'s purpose and threatening to make his own little club of angry nations. Kind of reminds me of making 'no girls' clubs when I was a kid.

His statements also are a threat to America, no way you can ignore that. Remember, we're denying ignorance here. And if you think it's cool that he hates the administration so much but you're confident that he sees a clear divide between regular citizens, stop and think whether the bombs will only fall on the White House if a war starts.

Astygia

Right now I am more afraid of my own elected government in the white house than any of the so call evil regimes been tagged by them.

But that is just me.

WIth that said, I think it is time to cut off his balls.


Personally, I do not think that the US has stepped up anything around the globe, and they are slowy realizing that technology now goes to the highest bidder, and alot of our tech has been smuggled or sold by the israelis.

Chavez threatened the US with his statements. The difference between what Bush siad and CHavez, is that we are at war with the countries and individuals that Bush is speaking of, short if Iran if not by truth by proxy war.

The US is now surrounded by China/Russia to the West, Venezuela/Cuba to the south and Europe is shaky at best and will sit out another WW if they can. He is fueling a fire that our country cannot turn the cheek too. In 20 years, there will be no superpowers, but superpower.

why do you kid yourself on that these countries have any chance of threatening the states in WAR? no medium sized country is more than 1000 miles away is going to pose an a threat to an alert conscious US, Cuba on the other hand was "something" to "maybe think" about but when the leader of the country is dying and tensions have died down between the two in the past 15 years or so its "highly unlikely" an attack from cuba will ever happen, as long as the US doesnt hatch an "ingenious" plan to "assassinate" an already dying man, no blood will be spilt between the two.

The US is now surrounded by China/Russia to the West, Venezuela/Cuba

yeah "totally surrounded" m8

marg I agree you should be more scared of your own government

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Did Chavez also mention the Axis of Evil, and call out the evil doers? Oh wait, wrong script from the wrong politican using rhetoric and hyperbole to make his point.

Originally posted by marg6043
Astygia

Right now I am more afraid of my own elected government in the white house than any of the so call evil regimes been tagged by them.

But that is just me.

Aside from your cute rolly-eyes, I agree with you. Actually I'm compiling a really big report which I plan to post as a thread documenting the shifty and outright horrible things that our government has done in the USA within the last few decades.

But we've got enough to worry about without obviously unbalanced leaders of obviously unbalanced countries threatening us as well.

Originally posted by esdad71
WIth that said, I think it is time to cut off his balls.

Sure, I'll do it, where's the rusty butter knife?

Okay, here's the thing. The time of empires is long gone. The "sovereign" nation we invaded only made the dictator mad. The people of Iraq are happy to be free, and I don't think any of them expect an easy transition to a democracy. If countries like Venezuela and Iran were so confident in their type of government and it's appeal to it's people then they would not be threatened at all by what's going on in Iraq. The truth is that they are shaking in their boots because they know that theocracies, dictatorships, socialism, and communism are all doomed to failure and the only way to maintain their shaky hold on power is to yell louder than the other guy, threaten, and scare people.

Originally posted by Astygia
Actually I'm compiling a really big report which I plan to post as a thread documenting the shifty and outright horrible things that our government has done in the USA within the last few decades.

I will be looking for that thread, it will be a hot topic.

Originally posted by Astygia
Chavez is so full of crap he could float back to Venezuela.
I'm no Bush fan, but as others have said, when addressing the U.N. council one should maintain a level of professionalism and decorum. But instead he jumped on the anti-America bandwagon and shot his mouth off, revealing a humorous ignorance of the U.N.'s purpose and threatening to make his own little club of angry nations. Kind of reminds me of making 'no girls' clubs when I was a kid.

I guess you haven't been keeping track of our representative to the UN's statement Mr. J. Bolton. He has been shooting his mouth off regularly in regards to a majority of those nations calling for regime changes and so on. Blame people like him and Bush for being the eloquent ones who air their feelings on an almost daily basis. Chavez is speaking up for himself and he's doing it in the right place where representatives from every country can witness it. People like Bolton have been nothing but an AIPAC stooge working against the American people. It gives the illusion the government is trying to pass off as fact, a little reality to it.

When we have people like Bolton representing us , is it a wonder why our foreign policy is failing? We are losing allies faster then any time in history. Its people like this who are bringing down the longstanding good reputation of this great country
and not the political leaders outside of it.


Pie

well I have to agree with Chavez on that one.

I don't think anymore that it's Bush only that makes up these times...
There Is somthing behind him... Somthing Is In control of Bush - Speaking through him...
Either that - or they a pulling their underpants over your head - so You can't see anything.

How should most of you people know what Evil means?

You see Hitler as Evil - The Icon... But can't recognize the feeling of Hitler - It's back...And It's getting stronger every day...

You still look for the flesh of Hitler to recognize him? - You don't see the spirit... Cause your caught in it...! Just like the German people where - And most of the people where In those days...1939 - Welcome Back Adolf.

I see you - You can't fool me...

And I can see that Chavez And The Iranian President - have spotted him to...
And It wouldn't surprise me If many European Ministers and other top officials have seen him too - And have been deceived by him also.

I see them wake up... I see crisis comming for the human spirit is blinded... By the bright light of the Illuminati.. Lucifer is here folks...

Join him.. or run away...To the big forrest far away from civilization...
I think we have 3 years TOP before they start hunting people down and kill them for being on the wrong side...

And so will you start calling In on people - to make them arrest them - send them to death...In some sorta prison out west..

The center of Universe is inside you.

iran,chavez and islam in general are a cancer to freedom.everything upsets them and then they kill.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
I guess you haven't been keeping track of our representative to the UN's statement Mr. J. Bolton. He has been shooting his mouth off regularly in regards to a majority of those nations calling for regime changes and so on. Blame people like him and Bush for being the eloquent ones who air their feelings on an almost daily basis.

Bolton is no peach, but can't seem to think of a time when he addressed a foreign leader as "the devil" in front of the U.N. Also can't remember him forecasting "the end" of another nation just because he's mad at it.

Chavez is speaking up for himself and he's doing it in the right place where representatives from every country can witness it. People like Bolton have been nothing but an AIPAC stooge working against the American people. It gives the illusion the government is trying to pass off as fact, a little reality to it.

Good for him, glad he's speaking for himself. It doesn't change the fact that he did it in a childish manner. I might have enjoyed his speech if he had used some tact, like "I believe President Bush isn't speaking for the American people in his actions, and that his foreign policy is purely self-serving."

But no, instead we got "George Bush is the DEVIL!" Silver tongue, that Chavez.

When we have people like Bolton representing us , is it a wonder why our foreign policy is failing? We are losing allies faster then any time in history. Its people like this who are bringing down the longstanding good reputation of this great country
and not the political leaders outside of it.

Something pretty much nobody seems to realize is that foreign politicians are just as corrupt as our domestic ones. They have their own agenda to push, and hopping aboard the anti-America train is only a means to an end for them. Never forget that.

what if bush is satan? why has nobody asked that question? he fits most of the specs for him to be in these late days. every christian knows that we are not suppose to recognize and mingle with other gods yet bush does this very thing and supposably is a christian. every christian knows that there is only one way off this forsaken planet and that is thru the blood of christ, but bush says even muslims and the rest of the non christians will make it if they belive in peace and liberty...oh yeah satan is not real so how can this even be discussed. maybe chavez was being serious and not just namecalling. ah well this subject is on many threads here on ats so ill just move along.

Chavez actually made good points in his speech with the exception of the devil, sulphur and cross comment. If it wasn't for those funny but insulting comments, more Americans might have taken the time to listen to exactly what he said.

Seems to me, he's trying to convince us the American people to "oust" our current government.... hmmm kind of like how Bush spoke directly to the Iranian people and told them to do the same thing.

like I said before, the man's paranoia is rightly justified, however his actions well that's yet to be seen..

Chavez is not making any friends with most of his SA neighbors especially Brazil. He's been sponsoring a communist-style rebellion in the NW of the country. He's a typical SA neo-socialist who blames hundreds of years of class driven social ills on anyone but themselves. He fancies himself as the new 'Castro'. Standing up to the Great Gringo Devil, the US president, whoever that might be. As soon as his nations oil production runs out, we'll see him flee to some country with no extradition treaty with a large portion of his nation's treasury in a Swiss or Bahamian bank account.

Originally posted by stanstheman
Really if we are interested in giving any kook in the world a platform for spouting off then the UN is no longer a useful organization. There should be some accountability here.

And yes I'm a name caller, so much for my future in the diplomatic corps!

He's not "any kook in the world" ... he's a president of a UN member nation. He may be a "kook" but he's a presidential one. Doesn't make him right ... he's obviously not very diplomatic but it does allow him the freedom to express his opinion to the UN council. Our president isn't always right but he seems to have the freedom to express his less-than-eloquent ideas.

I haven't seen a link to the full speach placed in this thread yet, only links to stories that seem to be taking much of the speach out of context and only quoting the sensational remarks.

Further, it looks like many people here are forming opinions based only on these articals and not the actual address. Wrose, I've noticed that it's the same artical edited slightly being posted all over the place. This means that only one version of the story is being propogated. That's not good.

Here's a link to a the full speach in RM fomat:
Click Here

Link to an artical with a full transcript: Click Here

Some interesting quotes that haven't made it into mass media:

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?

And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.

But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that we re-establish the United Nations.

I, personally, find it very hard to find fault in those statments.

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he's obviously not very diplomatic

what so because he had an aggressive speech against the US he is now not very Diplomatic, the US is trying assassinate the man for christs sake!!diplomatic pshh!

Originally posted by esdad71

The US is now surrounded by China/Russia to the West, Venezuela/Cuba to the south and Europe is shaky at best and will sit out another WW if they can. He is fueling a fire that our country cannot turn the cheek too. In 20 years, there will be no superpowers, but superpower.

Maybe it is time for the US to make nice with the world and quit trying to control everything. An elected leader of another country wishes to align himself with other countries to assure his own's safety. The only real reason that we dont like him is because he makes our oil companies play fair and gives the countries natural resources to the PEOPLE. God, he must be a jerk if he does that.

I dont understand why people hate him so much. From all I have seen and read, he is for the most part a good guy. He puts the interest of the people ahead of big business, how terrible that must be for BushCo.

That speech sounds like something concocted by an American for the Americans.

If you think about it, the lower-class americans may not understand or comprehend a lot of what is said by the Middle East Leaders. So the US Shadow Government puts together a speech that these people CAN understand. Something down and dirty that puts the "rest of" the U.S. population behind their government to "open a can of whoop-ass"... giving the U.S. even more probable cause to invade the middle eastern countries.

Our media is designed to brainwash and manipulate us. Watching things for the past several months has me thinking that "they" are moving to a whole new level of propaganda.