Hugo Chavez speaking at the UN Against American Imperialism and Bush the Devil

I myself was offended , but thenhe said americans want peace , but the government wants war...he is a good speaker he almost had me believing him, and seeing his side grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I saw what Hugo said live from Fox.

What I dont understand is how we ignore everything else that he said and instead only focus on him comparing bush43 and imprealism to the devil. You can find many, many Americans who would call bush worse names.

Listen to his whole speach and get the message he was saying. The reasons why there are extreamists is because there are people who are tired of thr way the world is running and they are standing up.

America has much blame for this. Hugo said that if you ask an American if they want peace, they will tell you yes; But if you look at the actions of our Government... well thats a diffrent story.

Why dont people think instead of trying to jump on this guy and say he should be arrested?

If anything, people in our government should be arrested.

Originally posted by esdad71
To me, this is an outright threat and a cause for national security concerns. If he is doing this, after his contact with Cuba and Iran, this may not be good. If Iran accomplishes its nuclear weapons technology, why would it not then spread it to his new goodwill neighbors. I mean, after all, it doesn't sound like Chavez likes Bush. We would be crippled with a Cuban missle crisis that involved Venezuela.

Just wait...

SCO (China and Russian technology) + Cuba (positioning) + Venezuela (fallback positioning) + Iran (Money, Resources) + Bush = Were F'd

Dirt strip capable Mig-29s, sold to Ven. By Russia can hit ANYTHING coming into or out of our oil depots in the Gulf of Mexico. They can launch from Cuba firing mach 3 Sunburn/Onyx missiles at tankers and platforms... IF w go to Cuba, they can fall back to Ven.

Venezuela already has the dirt stri, blue painted Mig-29s and they train in Cuba with them.

We have NO DEFENSE against supersonic cruise missiles except for the barely deployed SEARAM anti-missile system.

We are falling into a TRAP... Iran with Onyx/Sunburn missiles can hit ANYTHING in the Persian Gulf... again, little or no defenses on our naval vessels against this.

ESDAD... we really do not get along in the 9/11 forum, but I just want people to see the bigger picture.

Originally posted by coolheretic
wow just wow.He leterally owend bush and co.I wonder if the illuminati are getting scared against this new movement NAM.

How do you know that Hugo Chavez is not part of an illuminti plot. If the illuminati did exist, I'm sure their plots would be highly complex.

-- Boat

SIRR1

posted on 20-9-2006 at 11:41 PM
I am confused???

Venezuela are they not as a majority the country Catholics?

Iran, who Hugo has sided with as a partner in crime are Muslims.

Are not Catholics infidels in the eyes of Islamic Fundamentalists?

Wrong! you are thinking to much into religion! this is the what everything is portrayed in the news these days! War on Terror has been directly associated with Religious aspects, obviously no question but this is a totally different ball game these countries are pissed because the US stops them from doing what they have to do to become a more stable and developed country!

the US stops them becoming richer because they want their oil for themselves so they can become richer or benefit the US in some way.

The US portrays their leaders as crackpot lunatics who rule the land by an iron whip.

The "Leaders" of these countries, quite expectedly do not appreciate these gestures and return the favour.

Hugo is a communist along with Fidel and they really don't follow religon, but sometime, somewhere, somebody has to wisper in Hugo's ear and tell him that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad believes that the people of Venezuela's are not worth the time of day and are infildels because they are Catholics

They dont care they just know that by sticking together they will have strength against an overwhelming adversary, at the end of the day Iran is hardly going to cross the Atlantic to fight Venezuela (or vice versa) ever you know why? because neither has an agenda to OWN (NWO) the World one day, so why be stupid and bitter about something like that and say NO we arent working with you! its against my Religion!. No these Leaders are doing their job in their countries BEST interests!NOT their Religions, NOT the US's, theirs and thats why the sneaky parts in an UNBELIEVABLY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT want these guys dead or a reason to invade their countries.



"We were worried about Saddam, but yet look at what Chavez has accomplished lately....

Chavez: New arms deals to make Venezuela 'impregnable fortress'

Bolivia and Venezuela, military cooperation agreement

not to mention, his oil deals and deals with Iran and Cuba.

While I don't agree with his sentiments about Bush being a devil and felt the "sulphur" comment was unnecessary, I do question the mentality of our president when it comes to the some of the decisions he has made and the path he has cast us on."

Wordwatcher look at it this way? this is a DEFENSE strategy they are expecting to be attacked. why shouldnt they be allowed to spend some money on Armed forces in a country which is in a very volatile/dangerous part of the (3rd) world, that itself is a good enough reason. Heck the US is sitting quite pretty yet it spends so much it cant justify a missing 3 trillion dollars (which was announced Sep 10th 2001).
Impregnable Fortress does that not tell you that it is DEFENSIVE.


I do not agree with Terrorism at all, or a War which is unjustifiable.

I hate the way people are sucked into thinking Iran is a bloodthirsty nations of radical Jihadists "dying" to blow themselves up at the earliest opportunity.

I hate the way the most succesful Leader of Venezuela is wanted dead because he wont deal oil with the US because it will probably get a better deal elsewhere. even if it didnt its that Leaders prerogative to choose who it wishes to do business with.






[edit on 20-9-2006 by marcopolo]

[edit on 20-9-2006 by marcopolo]

wait stop!! so you're saying that Chavez isn't a bigger threat to the US than Saddam? I disagree, Chavez is wielding power in the Americas which directly threatens the US. The failed attempt to depose him, has made him bitter, cynical and overtly paranoid against the US, causing him to take the actions that he does, such as stockpiling weapons and building his defences. The man's paranoia is justified, but it is also a dangerous threat to the government of this country.

Personally I wouldn't slur the Devil's good name by comparing him with Bush. Satan might take offense...even demons have their standards below which they will not go.

Originally posted by marcopolo

SIRR1

posted on 20-9-2006 at 11:41 PM
I am confused???

Venezuela are they not as a majority the country Catholics?

Iran, who Hugo has sided with as a partner in crime are Muslims.

Are not Catholics infidels in the eyes of Islamic Fundamentalists?

Wrong! you are thinking to much into religion!

Is Iran Not ruled by the Mullahs who control the President of Iran actions?

The WOT is all about Religon. If you are not Muslim you an Infidel.

I am an Infidel, what are you?

Hugo can do what he wants as long as does not invade his neighboring countries, and yes his country has oil and yes he is upset with our current Adminmistration, who isn't.

It's just too bad the CIA missed !

Oh, I am still waiting for Citco to pull out of the US market, I got the feeling Citco's Board pulled the strings on that P.R. blunder.

Regular Unleaded Fuel In St. Louis Missouri today $1.96 a gallon and dropping like a rock everyday. Hugo's frustrations seem to rise as fuel prices drop, I guess he is more of a Capitalist than a Communist, hmmm.

Slaps, your my pal. People should see the big picture here though.

What he said about Bush did not bother me, it was what he said about the nightmare he would endure. I would take that to mean something that could occur before the administration is out and that we should watch where we step as not to land in any sh#t.

Venezuela/Cuba/Iran/Syria is not a good combination, and it is one that they are allowed. However, with tensions in Mexico the way they are, and regime change evident soon in Cuba, Iran is calling out the US at the UN and Syria is supplying Hebollah while we supply Israel.

Do you see the cycle here? This is not about oil per se (seen the pumps lately), it is about security and the growth of nations who want respect (venezuela), power (Iran) and military strength (Cuba). Chavez has oil, and has access to a vast majority of weapons worldwide. To me he is a SA gangster version of Kin Jong, except that as he showed today he won't take any garbage from a country who 'may' have tried to have him killed.

Should we nuke anyone, no, but should we be strengthening our borders, yes. Should we worry about invasion, no, but shipping lines in the Gulf of Mexico or nuclear missles in Cuba, yes.

The US is investing ALOT of money in the small country of Belize, which is between Mexico, Cuba and Venez. Look into it..


PS I actually admire the guy for having the cajones to get up there and "keep it real"..wu-tang!!!!

It sgood IMHO to see a leader of a country giving the resources back to the people as apposed to his pals. Before anyone slags him off look at what he has done for his people as apposed to what bush has done for his, maybe it would be balanced then.

Regards

Elf.

yeah chavez robinhood take from the rich give to the poor, chavez has done nothing for his people, creating new jobs, government help for the poor, better schools, better hospitals thats giving back, but takin from the opposition to give to his followers ins't doing anything for his people. at least bush takes from other nations

Everywhere I look on these forums I see how Bush has failed us, how Bush is an idiot, how Bush was in on 9/11, how Bush is part of some kind of secret society and possibly worships the Devil...

.. But -NOW- when someone else goes to an international council and openly calls Bush on a lot of the same things that are discussed here, it seems that lots of you are quick to jump to Bush's defense??

I don't really have much of an opinion on his motives.. okay, I do, but this is not exactly what I am getting at here.. I am just wondering what everyone is so worked up about.

The United Nations is a place for the WORLD to air its grievances. If Pres. Chavez has a bone to pick with Bush, and has such a platform as the United Nations to do it from.. why not? Did Bush not do the same thing the day before, singling out several of the nations of the Middle East and speaking directly to it's citizens?

Perhaps Pres. Chavez is a little more flamboyant than Bush is, but their messages where similar.

"THE GOVERMENTS OF ARE BAD! THE CITIZENS MIGHT NOT BE BUT THEIR LEADERS ARE!"

This is the kind of thing I see here that makes me chuckle to myself.

Originally posted by Shar_Chi
this guy said something unpleasant about bush? how dare he. shoot him & nuke his country & all other countries around his just to be sure. wouldnt it be great to nuke mexico as well and detach south america altogether..
ps can i please nuke canada? i dont like the way they talk and i think they mite be commies.

you seriously need to find something else to do.

On the other hand chavez isn't really a threat, he's got a big mouth and looks powerful, but he's nothing but fidel castros dog. look at him speak it looks just like castro. Am Cuban and i remenbered that at least once a year the whole country would go into red alert, the army would be put on duty and fidel would come on tv saying that the americans were coming and it would last weeks, thats basically what chavez is doing. he is controlling the media and the trade and pushing the smart, rich, powerful people out.
but what people dont realize is that his followers arent loyal they'r loyal to whoever has the money or the power

politics.abovetopsecret.com...

This is what I said last year about him on ATS and now look he is still acting the same.

People ridiculed me on that post and seems people here have had Time to tell that this guy is for real not just a big mouth.

I see how the Iranian president shook hands for so long on TV with him, how can the most 2 controvercial speakers of modern politics get together, its like they are lost soul mates. People may criticise Blair and Bush but these two are a Joke.
If not just plain funny to know the two most insensative politically inncorrect speakers of the work uniting. It's so funny to watch but don't laugh too much they take them selves seriously.

Bush and Blair
vs
Chavez and Ahmadinejad

Who wins the rasberry awards for speaches?

Very interesting to see the responses to Chavez speech, I saw it and yeah I do pretty much feel the bush comments were the least significant except for the fact that we have a world leader on a massive stage speaking to an international audience and pretty much making fun of our leader (if you're an american) though I have to admit that when he made the sign of the cross and said the place still smelled like sulfer, i don't care who you are that's pretty funny.

But what came to mind when I was watching the speech were those lines from animal house:

"Hey he can't do that to our pledges"

"Yeah, only we can do that to our pledges"

It's one thing if american citizens make fun of our president, but it's another when a nations leader uses such language to describe another leader. I have no doubts that he made some big points on the international side but he probably would have gotten through to more americans if he didn't call our current leader the devil.

I am not a bush fan and cant wait for his term to be over and I also disagree with pretty much everything he's done since he got into office and even I didn't like the comparison.

Also keep in mind most americans wont see the whole speach but just the most inflamatory parts which will most likely upset them somewhat.

He really didn't have many nice things to say in general about anything he slammed the crud out of the U.N. which I think most americans funnily enough would agree with him on some of those points.

But yeah I don't believe he wants peace with americans or america.

IMO of course and as always.

Spiderj

I'm sorry I did not mean to say that I just get pissed off when I here stuff like that. I retract my previous statement. I was completly wrong.

About time the UN got interesting. Said the room smelled like sulpher and made a cross..

Too funny.

quote]wait stop!! so you're saying that Chavez isn't a bigger threat to the US than Saddam? I disagree,

World watcher you can take this in a rational way or you can take it the wrong way, Saddam never was a threat to the USA… more Kuwait and Iran (neighbouring countries).

“I am an Infidel, what are you?”

I am a Catholic by tradition in my family I used to think I gave a # but now I realise that a lot of the troubles in the world are down to religion. Maybe if the Vatican gave away some of the money they have been saving up for all the past centuries their wouldn’t be so much poverty in the world, and if extremist Muslims stopped allowing themselves to be labeled terrorists by blowing things up their wouldn’t be so much hate, maybe if Catholics and Protestants just said # it 300 years ago, if Jews weren’t trying to bring about the end of the world, then the world might be safer place, so to answer your question I certainly don’t see myself as an “infidel”, you could say I am a Goddist cause I believe in God. Though I do question. Oh and also don’t put yourself down like that calling yourself that

“I am an Infidel”

What he said about Bush did not bother me,

Why would it ever bother you? What good has Bush’s (any of the BUSH’s) time in office done?

The US is investing ALOT of money in the small country of Belize, which is between Mexico, Cuba and Venez. Look into it..

Yes I believe this is due to the coming about of the agreement for the NAU (North American Union,US,Canada and Mexico) which will see all borders open so they now need/have an excuse to start occupying forces in neighbouring countries to those who just happen to be somewhat, could you say hostile to the US.

It sgood IMHO to see a leader of a country giving the resources back to the people as apposed to his pals. Before anyone slags him off look at what he has done for his people as apposed to what bush has done for his, maybe it would be balanced then.

Exactly Solidsnake1331,

On the other hand chavez isn't really a threat, he's got a big mouth and looks powerful,

I agree he is not a threat, he is a very good speaker and he indeed does portray a good model for a leader in that he talks and acts with so much power.

but he's nothing but fidel castros dog.

See here is were I cant agree, Chavez is no-ones dog. If anything he has a lot of time and respect for Fidel, but at the end of the day is not carrying on with some hidden agenda.

I could go on and on about how liberals spit in the face of their own country but I'm sure it would start a riot.

Suffice it to say, it's easy to sit back in a cushy chairs and shoot off at the mouth against a country that provides the very freedoms you enjoy. I am sickened that Americans would show any support for this nutjob Chavez.

Of course when the time comes that you will either praise Allah or have your head removed you will think back to the good ol' days when you could freely hate Christians.

Michael Savage may be a little twisted but he makes more and more sense every day.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
After all the things that have happend to South American countries in the 20th century in the name of big business and/or dictatorships I can hardly be surprised at Chavez's comments.

I tell you when it comes to historical facts and the people of our nation I am a shame of the education our children are getting here.

I guess many things that America is only US

Nobody cares about any history in our nation but just the one that the media and the TV shows and movies teach our youngsters.

Chavez is a very controversial man and for many with enough intelligent to recognize he have survive more than one attempt on his regime by America.

But he has stood against he corrupt corporate powers of our nation and took hold of his nation destiny.

That may be what many wants is just over stepped when trying to justify how evil he is.

But the man got cojones and he is no afraid to tell the truth.

I just laughed at what he say, he was funny because when you do the sign of the cross in Spanish countries it means to asking God to guard you from evil spirits or I guess in this instances Bush.


[edit on 20-9-2006 by marg6043]

I wouldn't spit in the face of the country, but I would love to have my top-o-the mornin' loogie land dead center of Bush's face. And I think that's a problem that many "patriots" have. They can't distinguish between a country and those in control of it.

And Chaves was right. I want peace, but the current administration wants war to line their greedy pockets.