John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Zorgon, you asked what I thought about the Rock and Roll. I gave my first impressions of what the rock could possible be a couple of pages back. I forgot to mention a possible giant snail.

After reading and watching the movements of these Rock and Rolls this is my conclusion. On the planet Mars during the Sojourner Pathfinder mission I discovered what I called Marockies. These are strange groups of beings sharing the same rock structure living as one unit on the surface of Mars. No different then coral beneath the surface of the Earth's oceans supporting microbial and much larger lifeforms again as a unit. At first I was shocked and thought impossible.

These lifeforms are bizarre looking and combined together to turn into a solid looking one peice rock. Different faces with each having 2 eyes, and again weird looking, to form one strange solid looking rock. I am thinking these are some kind of shapeshifters similar to a lizard changing colors to camouflage itself. I am talking different planet here, Mars.

Suppose similar types of lifeforms combining together as one unit are moving or roving across the surface of the Earth's Moon. Do not know if they are carbon based, silicon, or biological.

Lets take the Manatee for example or an elephant Walrus sunning from a distance they can look like a large rock. On the surface an elephant, Rhino, or hippo are hard to tell what they are many miles above the Earth. I have seen the Marockies from ground zero photos and they live on the surface of Mars in groups. Who knows this might be similar to what is moving across the surface of the Moon. Ridicule, I am use to that. Rik Riley




[edit on 23-2-2007 by rikriley]

Back to the rolling rock.

Its bright and a sphere due to the perfect cone shadow.

Now we are looking at buildings on the moon, so there must be
evidence of travel on the moon if not all in the air.

That is some dented rock but if not then it might be a vehicle.

I was thinking it was looking a lunar lander sights.

In any case I was looking at magnetic motion and it would cause the
diagonal effect. Due to a series of required field reversals, motion
proceeds in the first pulsed direction. Unless controlled Bessel
ringing has been mastered the pulsed diagonal field is required
and might just show up as that dust print.

For me that is the only evidence of ufos on the moon, perhaps
we never went there because a lot of ufos show up in low orbit
satellite feeds from NASA. Or did at one time. No more good buddies.

No ufos for you.

Originally posted by Toadmund
No, these rocks were on a bouncy roll leaving their mark.

LOL My only problem is envisioning a rock bigger than a house bouncing merrily down a hill... And I don't care how low the gravity might be.

zorgon, I am not picking on you, I merely disagree with you, and that is a good thing, it keeps everybody on their toes and digging a little deeper.

Didn't think you were... disagreement is fine... that's what keeps the research going

When does a person admit they may be wrong?

When someone proves beyond any reasonable doubt... until then the research continues

Originally posted by rikriley
On the planet Mars during the Sojourner Pathfinder mission I discovered what I called Marockies....

Well Rik, even though this is the Moon thread... I was saving this for you. The boys at NASA named it 'Wopmay" . Seems the over Spirit caught it napping...

Ridicule, I am use to that. Rik Riley

Now who would do that? Seems to me the NASA guys are seeing the same things LOL... only they get "close and personal"

But that your working on NANOBOTS... now that might be cause for worry

[edit on 24-2-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon
Now here is what I found in that little innocuous crater...








As Toadmund would say:

"No mystery here, move along people...."

:bash:

[edit on 23-2-2007 by zorgon]

Nice one, Zorg!
Woo, gotta peek around now at that big pic.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
In any case I was looking at magnetic motion and it would cause the
diagonal effect. Due to a series of required field reversals, motion
proceeds in the first pulsed direction.

Hmm interesting theory....wanna do some papers for Pegasus?

While we are in the gravity department... this may be a good time to mention a little about Anti Gravity. One of the key factors in our argument is that NASA already has, and had, anti gravity technology back in the 60's.

Yeah yeah I know everyone will balk at the mere thought... but I have been working on the evidence and it will take a lot more time to present as there is a ton of data available... but one piece came to me via Jane's Defense Weekly...

For those of you who don't know Jane's is THE source of info for intelligence... the professional CIA level accounts cost in the 10's of thousands to subscribe to....

Here is the article that I just had to present as a teaser...

Anti-Gravity for Real -- Discussed in Jane's Defence Weekly

Jane's Defence Weekly is a most respected journal in the defense industry. Jane's has often been the first to break the news about secret development of radically new technologies and equipment.

Jane's Defence Weekly of 10 June 1995, has an article about advanced aerospace technologies, written by Nick Cook.

The idea of anti-gravity is taken seriously and is auspicously present throughout the article -- including three artist renditions of future anti-gravity based craft.

The Jane's article commences with a mention of anti-gravity technology, and also ends with a few paragraphs discussing anti-gravity. In between is the bulk of the article, which consists of discussion of "conventional" subjects, including:
Hypersonics, Gas Turbine Inrements, The Super Cockpit, and Stealth.

At the start of the Jane's article there is some information from the Gravity Rand Report on Electrogravitics which was done for the USAF in 1956, and was recently declassified. Here's an excerpt from the beginning of the Jane's article.

Take this example from a specialist US aviation magazine in 1956. "We're already working with equipment to cancel out gravity," Lawrence D Bell, founder of the company that bears his name was quoted as saying. Bell, apparently, was not the only one working in this field. Others said to be seeking to master this arcane 'science' included the Glenn L Martin Company, Convair, Lear, and Sperry Gyroscope. Within a few years we were assured, aircraft, cars, submarines and power stations would all be driven by this radical new propulsion technology.

Look at the names involved... that would be William P. Lear

I posted this article in the Dulce thread, but as I am soon to make the case for anti gravity flights to the Moon in relation to the Mining Operation... I thought I would share this with all you loonies out there...

Might also explain why John has insights about such technology

In his book of 1957, entitled, "The Flying Saucer Conspiracy", Donald Keyhoe also mentioned some rather indicting news on pages 200-201: "On 2nd February, while visiting Bogota, Columbia, William P. Lear manufacturer of aircraft and electronic equipment, told a news conference that the flying saucers are real". "When Lear's story was flashed to the United States by the AP, it was a hard blow for the UFO censors. But this was only the beginning. Within twenty-four hours Lear amplified his first statement: 'I feel the flying saucers are real', he said, 'because of four points'.

First, he said, there have been numerous manifestations over long periods of time.
Second, many observations have been made simultaneously by reliable observers.
Third, there are great possibilities linked with the theory of gravitational fields.
Fourth, there are now serious efforts in progress to prove the existence of anti-gravitational forces and to convert atomic energy directly to electricity".

"This new AP story dismayed the Pentagon, for it could easily disclose our top-secret research to duplicate the UFO's propulsion.There had already been one hint despite Pentagon precautions. During a meeting of aviation leaders in New York, on the 25th of January, G.S. Trimble, vice- president of advance design for the Glenn L. Martin Aircraft Company, had made an amazing disclosure... "Unlimited power, freedom form gravitational attraction, and infinitely short travel time are now becoming feasible', he told the press. Then he added that eventually all commercial air transportation would be in vehicles operating on these fantastic principles".

SOURCE

You will notice in BOTH articles the date 1956/57. This is just the tip of the iceberg of evidence along this line...

Originally posted by JbT


I posted a while back that in my honest opinion I was not seeing details of structures, walls, tubes, ect... But, I have to come back and be honest again.

Those pictures of that crater with a wall structure and what looks like gases rising is simply a smoking gun for me.

Also, I have to say that the quality of some of these recent picutres/anomolys are far better than what we were looking at in the earlier pages.

Just wanted to let you guys know that Iam seeing what you are seeing at least in the picture above of the high quality picture of craters. I see rectangular wall like structures with what seems to be gas rising from it.

Im shocked, amazed, and kind of mind boggled as to what this all means is happening. Good Work All!

you mean this one?



That's from Tsilokovsky Crater, Far Side of the Moon! Freaky, no?
I wonder if it's completely automated. There doesn't appear to be windows. I imagine they could have the entire thing on auto pilot, so to speak, with only a handful of sentient beings to oversee the particulars.

[edit on 24-2-2007 by undo]

Wow, doesn't take long to find stuff in that big pic you posted, Zorg.

Like the "City"





Location on big pic (but use Zorgon's link www.hq.nasa.gov... to the original pic to find it. This one pixellated too much while sizing it down to fit in the window







[edit on 24-2-2007 by undo]

And an example of camoflage and masking techniques in this image:








Notice the black covering, looks almost like an ink wash, painted
over the area in a thin coating. it's just thin enough that you can
see the anomalous structures underneath

and some more anomalies from the same image










[edit on 24-2-2007 by undo]

Thank you for your reply ArMap.

Originally posted by ArMaP
It would be needed an immensely strong charge to pull a rock.

True, then again a charge spread over a large area can also be considered strong when brought to bear upon a point. Consider lightning for example.

And it would be needed an isolating ground, the electrostatic charge would only be static if it was on an isolating medium, and then all other things not charged and charged with the opposite charge would be pushed towards that charged area, not just a huge boulder.

I have found from available data that lunar dust makes for very good electrical insulation. In fact it can retain a charge so well from solar driven ionization and plasma driven ionization it can levitate indefinitely above the surface, both on the light side and the dark side. A ground would have to be either very flat, long, and wide across the surface or very deep, but nothing like we are used to on Earth.

Not all objects in the vicinity would respond in kind. It depends on composition, weight, and size, strength of the field, duration, direction of greatest and least charge. A larger object could be more susceptible as it presents a greater rigidly bound surface area than say a handful of Moondust. And there is no evidence the track is related to a single event. It could have taken thousands if not millions of years to roll the distance.

Magnetism presents more or less the same problem, it would be needed a very strong magnetic field, and it would be needed that only that rock would react in that way with the magnetism.

You do bring up another possibility. We know there are magnetic anomalies on the Moon, but even less than the data we have for the boulder, we have no way of knowing if they could move around.


[edit on 2/24/2007 by Matyas]

Undo, these are interesting photos. Backing away from the photos and using tunnel vision I am able to see many humanoid faces, buildings and a spacecraft. The last photo is the most interesting to me. To see these things you have to look at them as a hologram away from the screen. Rik Riley

Did we compare the two tracks.

Are there only two tracks.

They look like identical markings in the tracks.

One had a bright rock and shadow, the other nothing.

It can not be caused by a ufo because they do not exist.

It must be some other complicated explanation.

Atomic energy is electrical energy but then what is done with the electricity.

Nuclear energy I see as X ray and gamma ray and other isotope decay
used now to get hot and boil water. A good off product is Helium.

Anti-gravity is anything that produces a force. Jets and rockets the main
anti-gravity generators react according to Force equals mass thats
accelerated by hot gases. Land travel is sideways to the gravity
field.

I might work on many presentations toward Electric and Magnetic
motion theory, it is just that engrossing.

The earth's force field is radial spherical. No way out.

The magnetic force is in the air, space or aether and we have seen
permanent magnetics attract. What is required is currents and
magnetic fields to be pulsed giving a burst of acceleration.
So far the vector analysis of a radial magnetic field in a plane
can only give a forward and to the right direction. Not good,
we want to go forward. Not going into matrix math however
to show this, too geekie. I figure a pulse going forward to the left
or even backward to the left gives you a corrected forward motion.

Thus as I say a diagonal light appears from balls of light that fly by
in low orbit in the NASA videos or perhaps can dust off a trail on the moon.
Just a way out theory, not trying to convince anyone.

The upward force seems easier and is a separate force from the
same radial field in a plane and any large current in the same plane.

Setting up the surrounding current is the problem but who hasn't
seen glowing balls of light in videos, street lights perhaps. But
if not and fly away, some mechanism is involved. Unless the dark
matter between earth and the moon can support this type of craft
I do not see how the glowing low orbit craft seen in NASA satellite
videos could make it to the moon otherwise.

Ed: There are plasma thrustors, perhaps they got them to work as
anti gravity levitators. But if they did the, then sidways motion
would also be possible.




[edit on 2/24/2007 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by zorgon
LOL My only problem is envisioning a rock bigger than a house bouncing merrily down a hill...

And I don't care how low the gravity might be.

It's not that I want to contradict what you say zorgon, but rocks bigger than a house crushed several houses next to where my family lives in italy during a earthquake. Those rocks did some hundreds of meters of rolling and bouncing before stopping.

Now my question is this: Mass and weigth on the moon are not the same as here on earth.
A rock with a mass of 1kg here on earht has a mass of 1kg on the moon even though it would weight only 1/6 as much. Maybe someone can explain what this could mean for our problem.

Originally posted by looofo
Now my question is this: Mass and weigth on the moon are not the same as here on earth.
A rock with a mass of 1kg here on earht has a mass of 1kg on the moon even though it would weight only 1/6 as much. Maybe someone can explain what this could mean for our problem.

If I am not mistaken, it means nothing.

The energy (momentum) that a rolling rock would gather on the Moon is related to its mass, not its weight, but it is also related to the gravity, so it is the same thing as being related to the weight.

Originally posted by zorgon

Well Rik, even though this is the Moon thread... I was saving this for you. The boys at NASA named it 'Wopmay" . Seems the over Spirit caught it napping...

Don't mean to break the rhythm here, I just wanted to say that after following this thread for a bit, I'm really impressed by the level of sophistication many of you ATS'ers display with photo analysis, and critique....oh!..and to ask one question....

How in the world did Ted Kennedy's liver wind up on the surface of Mars...when he isn't even dead yet?

Thanks to all contributors for making this thread a great read.

Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

[edit on 24-2-2007 by OBE1]

Thanks Zorgon, I have seen this before and Wopmaybealive. Spirit like you said caught Wopmay napping. We all know once in a while we catch Nasa or JPL napping and a pic slips thru the cracks. The truth is closer than we think. Rik Riley

[edit on 24-2-2007 by rikriley]

If you look hard a black number 13 is circled in red and there are 2 humanoid faces behind the #13. The face to the left circled has a two teared flying saucer looking headress above the head. You must concentrate on the circle for a minute and things will come into view. There are many anomolies as you already know to exist in this pic. Rik Riley






[edit on 24-2-2007 by rikriley]

Originally posted by zorgon
Now here is what I found in that little innocuous crater...








As Toadmund would say:

"No mystery here, move along people...."

:bash:

[edit on 23-2-2007 by zorgon]

Hey zorg,

Are there any top-down images of this crater in your archives? And if so, can you post one please?

TheBorg