John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by looofo
Here are some other...

Great finf Loofo, I missed those.... Thats the same site I got my Venerra images from



I like this one...

Lots of anomalies

blow up of the original. i've numbered some of the anomalies i found in yellow numbers:



details of numbered anomalies:

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[edit on 22-2-2007 by undo]

[edit on 22-2-2007 by undo]

Well It doesnt take long to find more oddities on the moon. In this image there appears to be a structure hidden in the top of the crater. The Straight lines gave this one away. It almost looks like camoflauge netting around a somewhat asterisk shaped outline. Once again off of Nasa's own World Wind Moon program. And Im finding brush strokes of some kind of paint shopping around some craters which is odd as well. Hmm. How can + shaped structures which look too made of conjoining domes, perfect Rectangles in craters(both in previous posts) and now Asterisk shapes all be natural occurances? And theres more oddities still. And anyone with a little time and patience can find and view the same stuff Im capturing with Nasa's own Images.







[edit on 22-2-2007 by VType]

Oh my that's a good one. When you increase bright/contrast, it really pops out there. what i found especially interesting is that it appears to have vegetation growing on it:

here's the whole area with bright/contrast turned up:

Originally posted by zorgon
I like this one...

This is only the lander, zorgon. Or what else do you see?

Originally posted by zorgon
But for now the only important point is that the main two "boulders", one the size of a house, are moving UPHILL

If your interpretation of the topography of the area is correct (who is talking about shadows now? ), yes, but if you are wrong they may be just rolling down hill .

I have found 3 other things that I think are more of those rolling boulders, and I tried to mark them in the image bellow, as well as the other two that if have already shown.

Their trajectory makes me think that they came from more or less the same place as the other two, and that would be normal if that was the highest place and the boulders rolled down hill.

Do you know of any place where we can find altimetry information on that crater?

Originally posted by looofo
This is only the lander, zorgon. Or what else do you see?

Oh errr I see a couple of Aliens hiding in the shadows looking it over with some kind of device....

But seriously I see a man made object on the moon in pretty good detail... I thought it was clear that I don't ONLY seek anomalies LOL

Like those other off topic images I posted...

That was a Russian rocket that exploded for no known reason and a few lucky astronomers caught t on film...

Australian astronomer Ray Palmer was photographing the Southern Cross from his observatory in Western Australia on Feb. 19th when a flaming plume cut across the Milky Way. "I had no idea what it was," he says. "It was moving very slowly and I was able to track it for 35 minutes."

Source: Russian Rocket Explodes

Look on Feb 21, 2007

Originally posted by ArMaP

Do you know of any place where we can find altimetry information on that crater?

Well I have looked.... I tried the Clementine at .01 res but they won't give me that resolution...

The white mountain range I had one astronomy listing that says 3-4 kilometers in height... but the bright white area is definitely the hill part while the black is the crater floor... there is no doubt of that... Look at the sketch made by an Australian astronomer who has quite a reputation for doing this.... The crater floor is pretty flat save for the ridges and central peaks... so anything that was in the dark area is on low ground and anything that is on the light colored terrain is on high ground... doesn't get any simpler. The amount of incline is really secondary at that point as its still UP



For anyone new all the collected data on the "Rolling Rocks" is compiled here for review...

landoflegends.us...

The following are the Clementine images of Vitello Crater...



The image above is from the USGS Clementine Mapper and is the highest resolution 'Shaded Outline Relief" available for Vitello Crater. Below is the topography relief version, again in the highest resolution available.

Unfortunately they do not help us narrow in on the features we need. But they DO tell us the relative height of the central peaks.



The next image below is the highest available resolution of the Color Clementine images. What bothers me is that the available Clementine images are LESS resolution that the same crater viewed from the 1960's Lunar Orbiter.

Here is a quote from the company that made the orbiter cameras... Read the whole details at their secured website below...

"On a typical Lunar Orbiter mission, the photographic system provided high-resolution pictures of 4,000 square miles of the Moon's surface with enough clarity to show objects the size of a card table."

Lunar Orbiter - ITT on Lunar Orbiter Missions Paved Way for Moon Landing

So once again it looks like Lunar Orbiter pictures are the best we are going to get for now



Tomorrow around noon I will unveil the "Compound"
[No its not in THIS image ]

[edit on 22-2-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by looofo
This is only the lander, zorgon. Or what else do you see?

Oh errr I see a couple of Aliens hiding in the shadows looking it over with some kind of device....

But seriously I see a man made object on the moon in pretty good detail... I thought it was clear that I don't ONLY seek anomalies LOL

Like those other off topic images I posted...

That was a Russian rocket that exploded for no known reason and a few lucky astronomers caught t on film...

Australian astronomer Ray Palmer was photographing the Southern Cross from his observatory in Western Australia on Feb. 19th when a flaming plume cut across the Milky Way. "I had no idea what it was," he says. "It was moving very slowly and I was able to track it for 35 minutes."

Source: Russian Rocket Explodes

Look on Feb 21, 2007

Explode like this one near earth

Its a cylindrical lightning flare as a form generated by the Black Triangle
craft.


From a closed Chem trail forum.. getting too close to the truth.

That rolling rock just had dents in it, but is it still there.
I tell you, it looks like von Braun's blitz craft was already on the Moon
and we made him do it again, the hard way. Guess the dust will move
from static electricity, alternating high frequency and voltage that is.

Sorry, can't help but spin it that way due to the path and all.





[edit on 2/22/2007 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by zorgon
Now then, lets go back to this anomaly....




What we need to observe here is the fact that the "track" is RAISED and in scalloped swoops that leave an obvious shadow and the swoops cross each other. Add to that the facts that the track curves, crosses an obvious ridge, goes through a depression and manages to avoid "rolling" into two craters.

Though it is in the dark depression at the top, stepping back from the image you can see that the trail starts near the top of this section and curves out into the light.

The surface of the object is reflecting sunlight brighter than anything around, its so bright as to void any detail and even give an asterisk effect. The shadow that it casts is long, almost half a kilometer. Comparing it to the other objects nearby for length this object must be very tall. Without the exact angle of the sun, there is no way to tell the true height, but the width of the object is approximately 140 meters across. This is based on the given width of 42 kilometers for Vitello Crater and the white anomaly in the bottom is 10 kilometers wide. The rest was calculated by pixel measurement and is fairly accurate. [See Detail Image Below]

Over the past few months we have attempted to show you some serious anomalies on the Moon and that NASA is not quite honest about what's going on. What amazes me from people on ATS particularly is that in the face of such an obvious anomaly, people[save a few] are willing to almost completely ignore it. NASA says its a moving rock. Look at this closely... look at the track that it digs up... thing about the size and distance it travels...

And yet most people calmly accept NASA's explanation that this is a rock, though they never once offer any explanation of how a house size rock can wander across hill and dale, scouring out deep scallops in the landscape.

I personally think this is one of the best anomalies I have yet seen... It is well documented in several images albeit not as clearly dfined as in this version...

NSSDC has it... they call it the "Moving Boulders"

NSSDC Source

the .tiff file of 10 megs shows the whole area of Vitello Crater but it is very difficult to find the boulders in that resolution..

USGS Lunar Orbiter Digitization Project has it THEY call their .tiff [16 megs]High resolution... ummm errrr okay... but hey YOU compare

USGS Source

Hint to find it.... Its in the white anomaly in the center of the crater use image h2...

Here is the detailed version... now lets discuss some of these features and actually analize this one. It is interesting to note that there are very few hits on image searches for Vitello Crater... I did find one that I will add at the end here...




Vitello - A Strange Crater on the Moon

Amateur astronomer and member of the Sydney City Skywatchers Harry Roberts does exquisitely detailed drawings of the moon. Here (above) is his drawing and description of a crater named Vitello:
Vitello’s most eye-catching feature is a near circular bright rille that encloses the brilliant chain of central peaks. I have oriented the sketch to give an astronauts-eye view into the crater from overhead. Vitello has the looks of a crater three times its size, but in fact is only 42 km across. The bright rille arises at a small crater or vent just inside the northern rim, and after meandering south for 10km sweeps around the crater floor in a near perfect curve to terminate near the central peaks. SOURCE: Sydney Observatory

OH BTW I forgot to mention when I told you where to find the track of the "boulder".... the slope that it is on is the UPHILL slope of the white mountain range....

[edit on 21-2-2007 by zorgon]

The shadow is a conic section and a round object would make that
shadow. Unless you think its a cylindrical rock that slid and rolled
down the hill. Conical rock, no but the shadow is a cone for sure.

Originally posted by ArMaP
but if you are wrong...

Moi?

Got an exercise for you....

Lets use Childress's estimate of size of boulder #1 [its smaller than my calculation] He says 75 feet....

Here is the lighting angle:

nstrument: High-resolution Camera
Instrument Resolution (pixels): N/A
Instrument Field of View (deg): 20.4 x 5.16
Filter: Clear
Illumination Incidence Angle (deg): 80.46
Phase Angle (deg): 69.75
Instrument Look Direction: N/A
Surface Emission Angle (deg): 10.78

Now the shadow it makes is roughly three times the size of the object (at least the part of it that we see before it blends into the crater...

Now this should be enough info to tell me how tall [approx] this object is...

So how about it?

Any Math geniuses out there?

Its interesting to note that they don't give the pixel resolution of this image... I am quite sure they know what it is, seeing as the maximum res on LO was 1 meter per pixel

[edit on 22-2-2007 by zorgon]

good point zorgon..i was waiting for that. look at the tracks....they seem to be ..repeating...what shape would the...'rock'..have to be to make those tracks. they don't seem to fit the shape of the ...'rock'.. i think there is another photo of tracks arounfd the tuarus littrow area that show repeating tracks.....

to me it seems to be another instance of NASA doing its airbrush thing..but they didn't think that the tracks were revealing enough to airbrush...did we actualy catch...vehicles and NASA airbrushed them to be ...blobs..rocks?!

i guess you know what i believe

Am I the only one here who realizes that the rock is simply rolling downhill?
And as for the scalloped impressions in the trail the rock leaves behind, look at the rock closely, it IS NOT perfectly round, If one rolls a stone head down a sandy hill, it will leave a trail of faces and backs of heads and ears to the ground impressions.
I am sitting here laughing at you guys who are making a huge deal over what?
A rock, rolling down a hill?
Anybody who looks at this Vitello crater critically can see that.

No mystery here, move along people.

PS, there is also something called momentum, even under this (momentum) any rock on Earth can roll uphill, provided there was a bigger hill it came down first, and again, look at the top part of the rock trail, you can easily see where the rock bounced down the hill making deeper impressions compared to the impressions where the rock came to a standstill.
And you folks also wondered, Gee? How can a big rock not get bogged down?
Well, rocks weigh less on the moon.

[edit on 22-2-2007 by Toadmund]

well, i admit that i'm just eyeballing the ...'rock'.. its shadow and the tracks..they do not seem to match up.....in this case i will go with those that are actually dissecting the image..over those that are just looking at a nice picture....

and i think zorgon as present a compelling case for the fact that the ...'rocks'..are rolling up...hills....remember..this a place that has..alegedly 1/6th the gravity of the earth. it would take alot to get a ...'rock'..of this size rolling. and IF there was an event to get it rolling..i would imagine that it would leave a beginning event marker that could be seen....and it wouldn't avoid craters...and it would leave tracks that would look more like scrapings than a tank tread...ooops..i mean ..'rolling tracks'...

Why against common sense do you believe the rock is rolling uphill? Even 1/6th gravity can't pull that off.
And as for:

and it wouldn't avoid craters.

Well, if you look closely, you can see, OK, let me put it this way, if you plowed your fist into a patch of mud or sand, what do you get?
A crater with a raised edge. What happens if you rolled a marble towards your fist crater?
It avoids the hole and goes around it, because impact holes have raised edges.
Simple!
Therefore the rock, that is rolling DOWNHILL avoids the crater because it's edges are raised.

Originally posted by Toadmund
Am I the only one here who realizes that the rock is simply rolling downhill?

Most likely... and anyone who looks at this critically can tell what is hill and what is crater floor... but your right time to move along... I have other stuff...

No mystery here, move along people.

Okay so your are saying that a 75 foot [small estimate] house size rock can stop and go [get bogged down as you say] in a fairly regular pattern, and the smaller one has the same regular pattern because it weighs less?

It goes up and over one obvious ridge... maintaining the SAME regular pattern


Please explain to me:

1) Why it would not get "bogged down" against the Ridge

2) What forces would start and stop such a big rock on a regular basis to create such a pattern...

3) just how much would such a house size rock weigh in the Lunar reduced gravity

4) Why does it cast such a long shadow when other rocks around it do not?

I think the majority of the people in this thread can do a little close examination of the terrain with the evidence we have presented and see indeed that there are many obstacles to this rock that SHOULD have stopped it, ESPECIALLY if what you say is true that it gets "bogged down"

I personally think that this is one of those images, like John Lear's Copernicus images that started this thread, that escaped the censors and they needed to come up with an explanation that the public would fall for.

It would be interesting to see if any other images of Vitello exist that show these enigmas. The higher resolution Clementime images SHOULD have done so... they do not.

Hopefully someone can work out that shadow/size question and I will add it to the summary...
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Tomorrow...Noon... THE COMPOUND

PS, there is also something called momentum, even under this (momentum) any rock on Earth can roll uphill, provided there was a bigger hill it came down first,

LOL so now it IS going uphill but you are still ignoring the size of this thing

Toadmund said:

And you folks also wondered, Gee? How can a big rock not get bogged down?
Well, rocks weigh less on the moon.

zorgon then said:

Okay so your are saying that a 75 foot [small estimate] house size rock can stop and go [get bogged down as you say] in a fairly regular pattern, and the smaller one has the same regular pattern because it weighs less?

Please explain to me:

1) Why it would not get "bogged down" against the Ridge

2) What forces would start and stop such a big rock on a regular basis to create such a pattern...

3) just how much would such a house size rock weigh in the Lunar reduced gravity

4) Why does it cast such a long shadow when other rocks around it do not?

1)Momentum

2)Who said it stops and starts? The patterns are from the rock surface features, like I explained about the stone head making faces. The rock also as it rolls it bounces in the low gravity along the terrain.

3)That would take some math, not now. Er, less, yeah that's it!

4)By visual comparison to other objects in the picture, there is nothing IMO unusual about the length of shadow of the rolling rock. There is a rock between the diagonal yellow line and the horizontal line in the photo, it's almost as big, and it's shadow casts almost as long.

Here is how I see it, versus how zorgon see's it.
I am in red.

if you notice in the images above several of the craters have different shadow angles. this photo was definitely tampered with. by who, no one will probably know, unless NASA comes clean or the person that doctored this photo admits it's a hoax.