John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by zorgon
Well when we do show you pretty good evidence like 300 metre wide walking boulders you ignore them...

I have already told you why I ignored it, I have nothing to say about it. At first sight I think it could be possible, but I haven't found any information pro or against the giant rolling boulder being a natural occurrence. I could say that I "see nothing unusual", but in fact it does not help in any way if I cannot say why I think it is nothing unusual.

so it would seem to me you have already made up your mind and only wish to debate image qualities, not directly the anomalies, for not once in all the pages do you address a direct question of an anomaly other than to state "you see nothing unusual"

Let me say once again that I have not made up my mind about anything, much less about photos from the Moon, something which I am not accustomed to analyse.

As for the image quality, I haven't spoken about that for some time, but as you know, if we are discussing images then what can and cannot be seen in the images is important.

"Garbage in, garbage out" is an expression used in many situations when we have to analyze any data, and in this case the same thing applies, if we look to bad photos we cannot see detail where there is none.

Why did you stop using JPGs and started using PNGs, was it not because of the quality of the images?

And if I ever find the time to educate myself about what is normal and abnormal on the Moon you can be sure that you will see my answers to those posts about the anomalies, until then I will only speak of things that I really know (or that I suppose I really know ).

Originally posted by VType
Hey guys I was studying Nasa's Whirlwind Moon. Specifically the south pole area's which are littered with annomolies by the way

LOL Nice find... There are a couple things that LEAP out at me....




The three crosses in a row are interesting... looking around the lower of the three you see some really unusual features...





Now here is one that oughta be one of Rik's favorites... what self respecting modernized "Moonbie" wouldn't love this sofa and easy chair....

Okay its probably NOT a sofa and easy chair... well then just what IS it?

Originally posted by VType
Hey guys I was studying Nasa's Whirlwind Moon. Specifically the south pole area's which are littered with annomolies by the way and seems a pretty logical area to hide or blend in seeing as its tough from an Earth vantage point to see anything. Well I found some pretty strange findings. I took screen shots in Whirlwind with the coordinates in frame so if some of you sleuths want to mull over them and any available high res pic's showing the southern pole of the moon Id be most gratefull. The first one shows two rectangular objects in a crate casting shadows and the second has a crater within a crater with weird lines or steps in it.
Sorry if the images are too big but seemed around the same size as others poted earlier. And I notice the info overlay didnt show up either. Damn.
I will work on posting exacts tomarrow but should be easily found by the pro's in this forum. Hope these help.

Good work VType, There are some very interesting anomolies alright. Now we know how Legos were invented by someone looking into a telescope at the Moon LOL. Seriously I will scan this photo and tell you what I see.

I will call this section of the Moon the temples of the Gods. There is complex geometry going on here not what I originally exspected to find. Looking at the coordinates in each sector and the geometry it was apparent I would have to see this in 3-D to actually see what was being displayed on the surface. I will continue my observation starting with the overseer tomorrow. Rik Riley

[edit on 19-2-2007 by rikriley]

Originally posted by undo
alot of structures



keithlaney.net...


[edit on 17-2-2007 by undo]

Okay I missed THIS one... its littered with rectangles..... I will pour over it tonight....

I seen the a lot of the surface of the moon, it sure has it's share of an untold story.
By the way, "Howdy Zorgon!!!"

Here's one for the thread, I don't think I seen it posted, but there are alot of pages to get all of them.

Originally posted by Allred5923
Here's one for the thread, I don't think I seen it posted,

Hey nice to see you back...

The reason you did not see this one posted is because it has the Disney TV Logo in the bottom right....

This was presented in another thread...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by SKMDC1
Lazarus is 100% right. Can we put this moon base picture to bed? Watch the logo...

I didn't even have to change the aspect ratio. It's a straight screen shot off of Disney.

However... perhaps it IS possible that Disney put a studio up there, after all Walt Disney and Werner von Braun WERE collaborators on just such a project as this 1952 photo proves... Just what IS that model von Braun is holding with that Cheshire cat grin?





[edit on 19-2-2007 by zorgon]

Okay here is a question for all you NASA experts...


I have heard a lot of talk that the images from Lunar Orbiter could not be used to see very much detail... well I just found a very interesting article that makes me ask...

WHERE ARE THE HIGH RESOLUTION IMAGES....

ITT Makers of the Lunar Orbiter Cameras have this to say...

Image Capture—How The System Worked

Once on orbit above the Moon's sunlit side, each Orbiter took pictures via the photographic system's 610 mm high-resolution lens, and via an 80 mm wide-angle medium-resolution lens. Both lenses placed their frame exposures on a single roll of 70 mm film. During exposure, the system moved the film to prevent image blur as the lunar surface sped by below.

On a typical Lunar Orbiter mission, the photographic system provided high-resolution pictures of 4,000 square miles of the Moon's surface with enough clarity to show objects the size of a card table. At the same time, medium-resolution photographs covering 20,000 square miles could be made with overlap for stereo viewing and analysis of surface topography.

Photos were processed automatically by the Orbiter's photographic system as the spacecraft orbited the Moon's dark side. This operation was performed by a KODAK BITMAT diffusion transfer process using 'dry' chemistry. A high-intensity light beam then optically scanned the photographic prints, and the images were transmitted to receiving stations on Earth.

The 1600 pictures captured in total by the five Lunar Orbiters using the ITT photographic system enabled photogrammetrists at NASA and the U.S. Government's Defense Mapping Agency to create accurate maps of the Moon's surface.
Source

AH I see... the Department of Defense, not NASA has the high resolution images capable of seeing a card table... Sooo seems I have been seeking in the wrong place...

Okay the size of a CARD TABLE????



Something smells fishy around here...

About the Lunar Orbiter missions

Launched in 1966 and 1967, all five missions Lunar Orbiter were successful. The missions collectively photographed 99% of the Moon's surface with a resolution of 60 m ground resolution or better. The first three missions, dedicated to imaging 20 potential Apollo landing sites, were flown at near equatorial orbits as close as 22 miles above the lunar surface. The fourth and fifth missions were devoted to broader scientific objectives, and were flown in high altitude polar orbits.

Okay folkes there it is from the manufacturer 22 MILES ABOVE THE SURFACE and CARD TABLE SIZE RESOLUTION


So WHERE ARE THOSE IMAGES?

Well there certainly is a goldmine of out of place structure like anomolies and oddities throughout the near Southern pole regions of the moon. You can literally find something odd within a few seconds of scanning. Ive been picking any small area of interest and then zooming into it the max my system will allow then slowly exploring around the area. Seems Nasa figured the south pole area was to cluttered with craters and formations for ultra close examination to photoshop. I am unfortunately running out of image hosting space so this will be the last I can post for now. However anyone can find these as I did off of Nasa's own Whirlwind moon imaging site. Now in the image below in the crater there seems to be a object or formation within to the top left with a circle outlined around it with what appears to be tracks leading down and followin the bottom of the crater rim.
Lots of very strange goings on and more convincing there is plenty of activity on that "dead moon" Im both a bit frightened and intriqued by all the different possibilities. And sorry for posting so much in Mr. Lears threads but it seems that some very observant eyes and much knowledge frequent here.
Edit: World wind in place of Whirlwind(yes Ive been up late lol)



[edit on 20-2-2007 by VType]

All I can say is WOW!!

I'm curious though, can we validate that any reliable source has a copy of that picture that allred posted of the dark side with the installation from Disney? Aside from Disney, that is?

Also, zorgon, can we get a source for the triple cross picture? I know several people that will be interested in this, should I find a legitimate source for it.

Please, don't think that after all of this time that I'm still challenging you're credability; I'm merely needing source documentation for my contacts, as they will be extremely interested in this.

Any help you can provide will be much appreciated.

TheBorg

Hello Borg. I am the one who is hosting the 3 cross image you speak of. They are on Imageshack. I simply took screenshots from Nasa's own Worldwind Moon imaging program. And I believe anyone can find the same as I simply by using the program. Also I choose the info and lat,long lines too be displayed for easy reference by others however the actual info didnt imprint but the lat and long info did. Now Ive been told by Nasa that their World wind Moon images are 100% legitamite so if there is "doctoring" its coming from the Nasa source but highly unlikely. Like I stated earlier anyone can view and discover these just as I did and there seems to be even more annomalies throughout the southern region. Im quite excited that Nasa's own images from them are showing these features.

Can you link me to the viewer, and possibly provide the lat/long. for me, if you haven't already?

I'd very much like to take a look at this.

Thanks,

TheBorg

I dont think I can link you to the viewer as it is a progam you must install from nasa. Here is its link.
worldwind.arc.nasa.gov...
Once you download their program you have a moon globe with their images put in proper place for home globe type viewing. Now as far as linking to my imageshack screenshoots Im prettysure you can find their locations in the properties of the photos Ive posted. They are for public view btw.
Here are the coordinates in my image corner screen for the 3 X's and also
' = degrees as I cant find the damn degree symbol on my computer(lol)
-80.5674564276245'-Lat.
-134.527672137214'-long.
heading:0.00'
tilt:0'
altitude:130.67 km
distance:130.67km
FOV: 45'
Terrain elevation:-2,008.00 meters

Hope this helps.

Originally posted by TheBorg
All I can say is WOW!!

I'm curious though, can we validate that any reliable source has a copy of that picture that allred posted of the dark side with the installation from Disney? Aside from Disney, that is?

I am pretty sure that the Disney image was from one of the three films von Braun worked on with Disney... I will look up more on that in the next few days. What I find interesting is the amount of involvement that von Braun had with Disney... sure it could simply be a matter of making a few sci fi films, but when WvB is involved you never know...

Also, zorgon, can we get a source for the triple cross picture? I know several people that will be interested in this, should I find a legitimate source for it.

The source is from Vtype's image from Whirlwind... we must ask him where we can find it. And no worries about the "challenge" issue LOL... believe me I want the originals as well as anyone to "see for myself"

But having found out that higher res Lunar Orbiter photos exist has me miffed... all this time and now I find that there really are better ones availble...

The hunt begins anew...

I'm merely needing source documentation for my contacts, as they will be extremely interested in this.

Your contacts eh? THEY? Hmmmm Now I AM intriqued....

Edit:

Ah I see he posted the link... seems World Wind is using good old Clementine images from USGS... And with the latitudes it ought to be easy to track on the Clementine site

[edit on 20-2-2007 by zorgon]

Still enjoying this thread, and there are a lot of interesting anomolies presented, but once again nothing concrete and convincing. I just don't see how this could be overlooked by a million scientists for 40 years and discovered by some guys on a website with highly compressed low resolution JPG files.

I'll continue watching and finding anomolies but I have seen nothing close to anything that is convincing of life/atmosphere/mining on the moon.

Originally posted by zorgon
WHERE ARE THE HIGH RESOLUTION IMAGES....

I don't know if this Guide to Lunar Orbiter Photographs helps in finding where those images are, but at least it shows a list of what was photographed.

It also says:

The results of all space science flight experiments are made available through the National Space Science Data Center (NSSDC). Copies of all Lunar 'Orbiter photographs and background information including photographic system calibrations and photographic supporting data are available from the NSSDC. For further information, scientists located within the United States should address their inquiries to-
   National Space Science Data Center
   Code 601.4
   Goddard Space Flight Center
   Greenbelt, Md. 20771

Attention, it's 94MB PDF file.

I hope that helps.

You know the Von Braun Disney connection is quite interesting. Especially the time frames involved. I had read in a Omni or similar magazine in the 70's that the two collaborated on the making of the supposed fake moon landings to cover up other deemed more sensitive space operations missions(moon,Mars colonies,contact with ET's,etc..). Its kinda out there but Disney did have the resources to make some pretty convincing "film edits" if you will( they had some of the best studios and effects teams at the time). Plus there was a distiction drawn between Walts fascination with colonizing Space and Space exploration and resources and Von Brauns ability too possibly make it happen. Wild stuff and I wish I still had that magazine or could remember which one it was for reference sake.
Cools ideas none the less and Iam going too pour over those higher res Clemintine images shortly. Thanks Zorgon.

Originally posted by Allred5923...By the way, "Howdy Zorgon!!!"

Well, "Howdy" yourself, what about me, stranger? Did you drop off the end of Earth or sumpin'?

Yer email's NG, still don't know if you are still a part of PRC but you are still welcome all the same!

And yes, I get the Star Trek allusion, I will miss them terriblyR.I.P. w/love from Matt

Originally posted by ArMaP
It also says:

The results of all space science flight experiments are made available through the National Space Science Data Center (NSSDC).

Thanks for the file...

As to the NSSDC they have only a few images from the collection available online and those are very low resolution.

I did manage to find a size reference for LO-V-168 the main crater in the photo[the one with the moving rocks] is 42 kilometers across so now I can make an accurate scale for that image... but at a rough calculaion that "rock" track is about 4 kilometers long...

Quite a hike for a rock... but I will get the measurements today

[edit on 20-2-2007 by zorgon]

DAGNABBIT!! Another blow to the FOIA...

Access to Archival Materials in the Context of Concern about Terrorism

1. What is NARA doing differently regarding access to archival materials?
In light of the terrorist events of September 11, we are re-evaluating access to some previously open archival materials and reinforcing established practices on screening materials not yet open for research. By identifying records of concern and measures that must be taken to prevent inappropriate disclosure, NARA seeks to reduce the risk of providing access to materials that might support terrorist activity.

Source

Gonna get harder trackin them thar Moon Mining documents

[edit on 20-2-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon...DAGNABBIT!! Another blow to the FOIA...

This is old news. Of course anything and everything could support terrorist activity, there are ways of proving it in every case, so ignorance is strength.