Get Smart! Epispde 52

a reply to: hellobruce

Anyone who made or believes that stupid claim has no idea explosives have a shelf life!

Who says they went change out periodicity. I am sure the real criminals knew they would expire at some point.

And no one would be any of the wiser, if it was done at night when the activity at the WTC was at it's slowest peak.

a reply to: Informer1958

Maybe like in unmarked white vans at 4am for two weeks? Keep digging, you're starting to ask the right questions.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Thank you SkepticOverlord. It's kinda cool to see you just posting like that again, it's a rare treat.

(respect)

originally posted by: Informer1958
if it was done at night when the activity at the WTC was at it's slowest peak.

Except for the bomb sniffing dogs....

originally posted by: hellobruce

Anyone who made or believes that stupid claim has no idea explosives have a shelf life!

Speaking of 'stupid claim', what was the shelf life of the original formula for Semtex? You know the really hard to detect stuff that they had to reformulate to actually reduce it's shelf life for fear of stockpiling and actually add 'a distinctive vapor signature to aid detection' (wiki). Do you know?

originally posted by: twitchy
what was the shelf life of the original formula for Semtex?

Only 20 years....

But just think how much the insurance would be on a office building wired with explosives.

It would be easy to demolish the WTC, just reverse the way they built it. Which is how they demolish office buildings today.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: twitchy
what was the shelf life of the original formula for Semtex?

Only 10 years....

Uh no, that's the new formula they made to reduce the shelf life. Try again?

a reply to: hellobruce
Hell man, a friend of mine and I were cleaning out an old house and found a few m-80's that were in a box from 1962, that's just Flash Powder... they were spectacular and well over 50 years old and Flash powder isn't even a polymer (gasp).

Edit:
To which I will add, DO NOT TRY THAT AT HOME. I completely underestimated the thing and ended up with a small crater in my driveway, gravel in my hair, and an angry old lady as it had apparently also knocked things off our wall from outside. There's also uncomfortable questions from the neighbors the next day as well. lol

Also, aside from Semtex, RDX could also be a suspect, given the time period, there's no doubt there was plenty of military RDX heading to SE Asia at the time and some formulations of it were made with plasticizing wax that gave it a considerable shelf life and stability. Interestingly, it's also known to cause respiratory problems.

originally posted by: skyeagle409
Eventually, WMD was found in Iraq.

Yeah, let's take a look at that...

www.motherjones.com...

C.J. Chivers of the New York Times has a long piece today about chemical weapons found in Iraq after the 2003 invasion. A few dead-enders are now gleefully claiming that Bush was right after all. Iraq did have WMD!

This is ridiculous enough that—so far, at least—the savvier wing of the conservative movement is staying mum about the whole thing. There are three main reasons for this. First, most of these weapons were rotting remnants of artillery shells used during the Iraq-Iran war in the 80s and stored at Iraq's Muthanna State Establishment as well as other nearby sites. Murtaza Hussain of the Intercept explains what this means:


The U.S. was aware of the existence of such weapons at the Al Muthanna site as far back as 1991. Why? Because Al Muthanna was the site where the UN ordered Saddam Hussein to dispose of his declared chemical munitions in the first place. Those weapons that could not safely be destroyed were sealed and left to decay on their own, which they did. The site was neither “active” nor “clandestine” — it was a declared munitions dump being used to hold the corroded weapons which Western powers themselves had in most cases helped Saddam procure.

In other words, these shells weren't evidence of an active WMD program, which had been George Bush's justification for the war. They were simply old munitions that everyone knew about already and that were being left to degrade on their own.

Aren't they the very ones that Donald Rumsfeld still had the receipts for from when we sold them all the chemical precursors and crop spraying helicopters to use on the kurds during the Iran/Iraq war?
nsarchive.gwu.edu...

George Bush clearly stating that Iraq had no WMD's...

Check out the guy in the WTC 7 building in 2:30-3:38 of this video. What was OST doing there?

Source
The U.S. Department of Energy/National Nuclear Security Administration's Office of Secure Transportation (OST) provides safe and secure transportation of nuclear weapons and components and special nuclear materials, and conducts other missions supporting the national security of the United States of America.

a reply to: twitchy

Do you have trouble reading...??

His vest clearly says "SECRET SERVICE"

Secret Service had offices in WTC 7

a reply to: firerescue
Hanging out in full gear in a vacant lobby area, after the evacuation?

a reply to: twitchy

He's running around in heavy gear and a plastic hardhat, after the WTC7 evacuation order 'making sure no one else is coming downstairs' and saying he thinks they are the only ones left in the building. He identifies himself as Secret Service, then states specifically OST. It could mean an 'Operations Support Technician' or 'Office of Secure Transportation'.
Either way the guy looks taken off guard by the cameraman and something seems a little off about a secret service agent being the last guy in WTC7 when even firefighters are being 'pulled' out and crowds outside are being told the building is 'going to collapse'. I guess he didn't get the Reuters press release about the WTC7.
Apparently the guy ended up being something of an unsavory character though...
Prosecutors Say Rescuer Stole Cars Recovered At Ground Zero


CBS Raw Footage from 9/11 At roughly time marker 29:33, cut your speakers up and see if that sounds like a fire related collapse.


Here's the seismic interpretation of that thunderous roar you're hearing in the video.

Here's seismic data from North Korea’s October 2006 test.

Here's a 'normal' seismic event for comparison. Short sharp spikes are pretty telling.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: twitchy

Do you have trouble reading...??

I'm very fond of 19th Century British and American Literature, do you have trouble with vitriol rhetoric??

a reply to: twitchy

He's running around in heavy gear and a plastic hardhat, after the WTC7 evacuation order 'making sure no one else is coming downstairs' and saying he thinks they are the only ones left in the building. He identifies himself as Secret Service, then states specifically OST. It could mean an 'Operations Support Technician' or 'Office of Secure Transportation'.
Either way the guy looks taken off guard by the cameraman and something seems a little off about a secret service agent being the last guy in WTC7 when even firefighters are being 'pulled' out and crowds outside are being told the building is 'going to collapse'. I guess he didn't get the Reuters press release about the WTC7.

Time is shortly after North Tower collapsed about 11 AM

FDNY pulled all there men out of building about 12:30 PM when determined was no water (Collapse of WTC cut water main in area) and was heavy structural damage with fires breaking out on multiple floors

Collapse zone was set up at 3 PM - so had several hours between when video was shot until area cleared

Reporter is Vince Dementri from WCBS CH 2 in New York

An interview with Donald Trump right after 9-11 wherein he clearly expressed his belief that there were explosives involved...
www.youtube.com...

"Well it wasn't architectural defect... you know the World Trade Center was always known as a very very strong building. Don't forget that took a big bomb to the basement. Now the basement is a very vulnerable place because that's your foundation and it withstood that.
The building was standing solid and half of the columns were blown out. This was an unbelievably powerful building.
I happen to think that they had not only a plane but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously because I just can't imagine anything being able to go through that wall."
-Donald Trump

Another often overlooked aspect of the events of that day was the mysterious explosion captured and broadcast by CNN at 9:04am.

A few seconds after the impact of the second tower, there was a huge explosion in the area between the North Tower, WTC 1, and WTC 7, an area commonly known as WTC 6. That explosion would gut even the basement levels of the building and leave a massive crater about eighty foot deep in the center of the building. This happened before either of the towers collapsed, and it was broadcast live on television.
Assuming of course that no Jet Fuel ran down the elevator shafts of the towers and walked across to WTC 6 to cause this massive explosion, what would explain that event? Get a real good hard look at that crater... that explosion happened before either WTC 1&2 towers collapsed.

Looks alot like the remnants of another job CDI worked on a few years before in Oklahoma, no?
Here's a high resolution photograph of the remains of WTC 6...

Notice the huge crater? Keeping in mind that all that debris from the collapse of WTC 1 hit the area immediately around this crater, it didn't manage to dig an eighty foot EMPTY round hole into the rest of the area. Falling steel doesn't excavate 80 foot craters and then leave them empty and near symmetrical. Large explosions ejecting building material upwards and outwards can though, and it's hard to debunk an empty crater especially since the actual explosion was caught on CNN's live broadcast and widely reported before the collapses overtook the narrative.
I watched CNN live the morning it happened, and I remember seeing the plume, but not what time this footage was broadcast. From what I've read however, CNN confirmed the time of that footage was just after the second impact just as the caption says... but some have incorrectly stated that it was during the actual collapse of WTC 2. Well let's look a little better at the picture then, and ask ourselves how do you reckon CNN's angle on this shot managed to hide the entire left side of this event going on behind WTC 1 ?

The huge dust cloud you see in the first pic is undeniably coming from the area of WTC 5 and WTC 6, not WTC 2, and it is clearly an explosion, and it was reported as 'some kind of explosion'.
What's the Official Story's take on the blast craters found in WTC 5 and WTC 6, and where did all the material from the eight floors of WTC 6 go? Where did all the falling debris that supposedly punched this round vertical hole go? It's an empty crater. If massive of piles of falling steel and debris caused these holes in WTC 5 and WTC 6, why isn't there massive piles of steel and debris on the remainder of the rooftops of these buildings and why are these craters instead of rubble piles?

We need to take another look at the extensive improvements and inspections done to the WTC complex by Turner Construction Company prior to 9-11, how their company's president rose to the high position of Mayor of a major US city, and how they might have had unique access to Navy Seal Demolitions Equipment... or we might go into the whole Kroll, John O'Neil, Jerome Hauer thing, or maybe even into the intelligence operations conducted at various flight schools that go all the way back from Oswald and JFK up Mena AK and Iran Contra to Mohamed Atta. Even with the destruction of physical evidence, this case is still solvable IMO.