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Originally posted by snoopy
Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
regarding the OBL images...
good way to compare...
it was obvious to me, that the end pic is someone else... but how do i know that?
the face is totally off...
the nose mainly...
it is easily an inch shorter in the fake pic... (he has quite a snoz)
it actually looks like the whole face is shorter on the fake... and a little wider.
other anomalies also, but that is the biggie...
[edit on 30-8-2006 by LazarusTheLong]
That's because the end photo has been stretched to distort the dimensions.Probably done by the same web site that imbeded a date and false time code on the pentagon video frames.
Originally posted by johnlear
Assuming the hijackers got on the airplane...
One assumption being made is that the plane was always flying at 600mph. However from the footage on the 2nd plane, the engines can be heard to increase thrust near the end. I don't know if that is scientifically reliable. but then neither is assuming that the plane was always travelling at full speed. He could have been travelling at a reasonable speed to line up the plane and then push it.
1. What is the likelihood that even a pilot trained to fly a 757 could maneuver it into the WTC/Pentagon?
IYO could a trained pilot have hit those targets... 3 out of 3?
2. If it's that difficult for an untrained or inexperienced pilot to pull it off, why aren't all of the 757 pilots screaming about this being a bunch of BS?
3. I have a hard time believing the pilots just gave up their controls. Were they killed first or did they just give them up? I saw a picture of the cockpit... it looks awfully tight in there. Logistically could the dead pilots have been dragged out of their seats without losing control of the plane?
4. Aren't controls and instruments basically the same in all planes. Granted there are a lot more in the 757, but I mean the main ones required to navigate and fly? So therefore once someone with limited experience found his way around the cockpit of the 757 theoretically they would be able to fly and maneuver?
5. I would think that the thought of 72 virgins would have focused the pilot's concentration, not distract them. I envision the pilots saying (in Beevis and Butt-Head voice) to themselves "72 virgins... 72 virgins... 72 VIRGINS!!!" as they plow into the WTC. If they miss, well... no virgins. So they better make damn sure they hit their targets, no?
What about a fully trained pilot with years of experience flying 757's? Could he have pulled off a) either of the two WTC hits or b) the Pentagon hit based on his skill alone and not luck? I'm just trying to rule out that any pilot could not have hit those targets.
I wouldn't expect pilots to take actions in such an event. If they were told to leave the cockpit, they may have litened because standard prcoedure was to obey and get the ordeal over with.
There were 4 hijackers, so if they slit throats, there were enough to handle all the pilots
who likely never expected or experienced such an ordeal and would not have a known response. If anything it's more likely they would have frozen in fear.
For me there are far more impossibilities with a remote controlled plane.
Originally posted by snoopy
That's because the end photo has been stretched to distort the dimensions. Probably done by the same web site that imbeded a date and false time code on the pentagon video frames.
Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by snoopy
I flew for several different airlines over a period of 30 years and never, ever heard to obey an order to get out of the cockpit. Obey an order to fly somewhere but not to relinquish the controls. To anybody. Ever.
4 hikackers in the cockpit of a Boeing 757? All of them with box knives fighting 2 pilots? While the passengers are left alone? I respectfully suggest that we are lacking some critical thinking here.
Frozen in fear? A pilot? A guy who juggles at least 2 girlfirends and his wife day in and day out? Frozen in fear? A guy whose whole life revolves around preparing to calmly handle life threatening emergencies at 500 mph at 41,000 feet? Frozen in fear? A guy, many of whom are NRA Life Members? Frozen in fear? A guy who every 6 months puts his career on the line in a 4 hour simulator check ride? Frozen in fear? A guy who faces down head flight attendents every flight over inaccurate passenger counts? Frozen in fear? Tell me Snoopy, do any of these pilots that you know fly airplanes?
Interesting comment Snoopy. What is the single biggest impossiblilty of a remote controlled airplane being guided into the WTC? Thanks for your comments.
Originally posted by johnlear
Its not unlikely. Its impossible. Its simply impossible for even a semi-skilled pilot to have made that descending turn of almost 360 degrees and hit the Pentagon where it did, approximately 5 to 10 feet above the ground level. People who believe that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon are basing their opinion on hope. Hope that this wasn't an inside job. Hope that what hit the Pentagon was not a Predator. Hope that all this is just a nightmare. They are certainly not basing their opinion on facts.
Originally posted by snoopy
Plus the tail did fly over top of the Pentagon building. it can be seen on the frames that captured the crash.
With WTC 1&2 we would have to believe that from the time of the inpact to the time of the collpase, that people were able to open up parts of the building at the impact zone which is going to be mostly inaccessable from dfamage and fire, and access the key support columns, attack explosives, and exit without being noticed.
Then we would have to assume that within that time they would have to destroy the original plane and passeengers, bring the remains up to the building and plant them, without anyone noticing.
The passport was recovered by NYPD Detective Yuk H. Chin from a male passerby in a business suit, about 30 years old. The passerby left before being identified, while debris was falling from WTC 2. The tower collapsed shortly afterwards. The detective then gave the passport to the FBI on 9/11.
Page 40
www.9-11commission.gov...
Demolitions could not have been pre p[lanted since they occured at the exact point of the impact and would have damaged or destroyed by the impact.
Then there's the 100s of engineers involved as well as all the peopel who studied the building and worked on the excavation. They would all have to be in on it too. And no leaks. The passengers who were killed and their famillies would have to be in on it too.
Originally posted by rich23
Nonsense. The most obvious evidence for explosives being used is the fact that the WTC towers fell at a rate equivalent to free fall. This would entail each floor being knocked out just before the floor above fell on it. Explosives would have had to be placed throughout the building.
Originally posted by johnlear
As far as the second plane is concerned, I'm not 100% convinced that it hit the north tower as advertised. In another video it is seen climbing away from the WTC.
Originally posted by LeftBehind
Good, then I suppose that since the towers did not fall at "a rate equivalent to free fall" means that no explosives were used?