Bob Lazar fact or fiction???

Originally posted by chris01621

John you as you state about Joe Mcmoneagle it seems you beleive in remote viewing, my question is can anyone do this or do you have to be psychic?

I answered that question for myself. I signed up for a weeks course taught by Angela Thompson Smith one of today's foremost remote viewers. This was about 10 years ago. Angela lived just around the block from me in Las Vegas.

I am not the least bit psychic, I don't know when the telephone or the doorbell are going to ring. I don't know when someone close to me is sick or needs help. I can't even tell when my wife is about to blow up.

So I wanted to know if someone like me could be taught remote viewing.

The answer is yes. I was absolutely shocked with what I could do after a few days training. I just wish I had more time to follow it up but I don't.

If you were interested I would find a class and take the time and money to do it properly.

Originally posted by menguard

Sleeper,

What do you think about the stories of ELijah?

Hi menguard,

In short Elijah is the Messiah of the Israelites, he is the embodiment of a nation subjugated by Egyptian tyranny and a people plagued by the false gods they encountered in the Promised Land of Canaan---after their escape from Pharaoh.

Elijah eludes death and enters into heaven---in other words the Israelites escape the death of slavery under Pharaoh and enter into the Promised Land---heaven---where they are tested big time.

That’s the short version.

Elijah was not a real person or an ET that shot into space on a UFO as some believe; the story is allegorical encompassing many OT stories.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Vector J

Ok, I'm not entirely sure i've actually brought much to this whole 'grey' idea, but i hope my suggestions of exactly how they are 'manufactured' give a better idea of what they may be to people.

Speaking in terms, i guess from this overview 'cybernetic organism' does indeed work, it certainly checks all the boxes. Possible other interpretations could be 'Extraterestrial Manufactured Entity' or EME, that certainyl seems to fit the description. 'Artificial Life Form' is a bit of a stretch as its hilariously broad, but certainly still applies. 'Artificial Created Organism' works too. However this is simply getting into semantics.

I wonder John if anything i've said here gels with your beliefs about the greys and their creation?

I hope this has been at least somewaht informative and that i'm not just re-treading old ground and old definitions that ahve been bandied about before.

Very informative. I like EME. An Extraterrestrial Manufactured Entity. What to you think, sleeper?

Thanks John,


The Greys are a strange creation with magical powers, they have biological aspects to them---physical bodies, but they are not biological in the same way humans are. They are physical and phantom at the same time, they can hold on to you as if they were a human and take you through solid walls as if they are ghosts---while they have hold of you---you too are like a ghost and pass through solid objects.

They are an unknown quantity of surprises. They are not stamped out or grown in containers; they don’t come into existence as we humans do.

Hope that helps

P.S. Sorry for my frugal details----there is a reason for my cryptic answers, someday I may explain further.

Sleeper I don't think you should leave your answer up in the air like that.

You seem to have some knowledge I look forward to your answer so we can compare.

Originally posted by sleeper

The Greys are a strange creation with magical powers, they have biological aspects to them---physical bodies, but they are not biological in the same way humans are. They are physical and phantom at the same time, they can hold on to you as if they were a human and take you through solid walls as if they are ghosts---while they have hold of you---you too are like a ghost and pass through solid objects.

They are an unknown quantity of surprises. They are not stamped out or grown in containers; they don’t come into existence as we humans do.

Hope that helps

P.S. Sorry for my frugal details----there is a reason for my cryptic answers, someday I may explain further.

Thanks sleeper. That was more information and more informative than I had hoped. And it matches every story I've heard.

Originally posted by observe50
Sleeper I don't think you should leave your answer up in the air like that.

You seem to have some knowledge I look forward to your answer so we can compare.

My grey is bigger than your grey---

Seriously I’m not sure what you mean by comparison?

BTW, my grey androids don’t like being compared with others, they are snobs.

lol, What can I say.

At least I can go to bed now and hopefully get some sleep.

Night

Originally posted by observe50

Sleeper I don't think you should leave your answer up in the air like that.

You seem to have some knowledge I look forward to your answer so we can compare.

observe50 we have been unable to train sleeper properly as a poster here at ATS. He just won't take direction. He's is always giving us a one liner that leaves more questions than answers. And his sense of humor is...well...sleepers. But I am honored to have sleeper give us a few words. Sleeper has not only been there, done that, got the coffee and decal.....he got a ride.

Mr. Lear
As for gender issues versus homosexuality in a person, re: your statement homosexuality is caused by the wrong soul being put in the wrong body.
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There are people who feel they got put in the wrong body. A man may feel that inside he is really a woman, and may get sex changes done, so he can get the right body or container as you say ET"s call them. A man may get a sex change, becoming a woman, but still is attracted to girls. And this could also be the man becomes a woman and is attracted to men, as he was prior to the changes. The "trapped soul" may be gay or straight.

The point is, feeling you are the wrong gender and feeling you are attracted ti the same gender are completely different issues. Physical versus emotional I suppose. When a man wants to be with another man, this does not mean that this gay man feels that deep inside he is a woman !

So it seems that having these gender issues, best fits your idea of the wrong soul being in the wrong body and should be applied to that, rather than homosexuality, do you think? I'm not gay btw !

Originally posted by Gazrok
I'd recommend checking the recent Guest Speaker Event, as George Knapp knows Bob personally, and had some good insights to some of our questions...

With Bob, there's a lot of both fact and crap, so it's difficult to disseminate. Most tend to throw the baby out with the bath water here....but something tells me the essence of Bob's account is more truth than not.

Well if anything he is right on how the extraterrestrial vehicles work. They use a gravity distruptor.

But you would expect something like that from a species that is over a million years more advance than our own.

I mean they come from Andromeda "The Galaxy" and they have been here since the dawning of our species. Actually a bit before than that time by tens of thousands of years. I mean all of that has to take into account of where they are in terms of technology.

But this is just one extraterrestrial race, I am speaking about.

[edit on 22-8-2006 by Timeseer]

what are you talking about sleeper greys cant pass through walls theirs nothing mystical about them their just a race of intelligent aliens from the zeta 2 reticuli system and the 4th planet in that solar system theirs nothing magical about them their just aliens

Originally posted by mr cryptoman
what are you talking about sleeper greys cant pass through walls theirs nothing mystical about them their just a race of intelligent aliens from the zeta 2 reticuli system and the 4th planet in that solar system theirs nothing magical about them their just aliens

I'm not about some sort of a bio-android created by the exact race I am talking about. I am talking about the race I most oftenly are always talking about. The Annunaki... the tall grey skin versions of ourselves from the Galaxy, Andromeda.

Crypto, actually yes the Grey's can go through walls. I know when I am taken OOB I can also go through walls and communicate with telepathy.

I remember one time after one of my experiences I decided to try walking through a wall so I cleared my mind and went for it, I knocked myself silly.

[edit on 22-8-2006 by observe50]

Originally posted by mr cryptoman

what are you talking about sleeper greys cant pass through walls theirs nothing mystical about them their just a race of intelligent aliens from the zeta 2 reticuli system and the 4th planet in that solar system theirs nothing magical about them their just aliens

Thanks for your input cryptoman. We have accidentally gotten off topic here "Bob Lazar Fact of Fiction" but I wold like to mention that the information you have about the greys is coming from the Serpo Disinformation Campaign and if they haven't mentioned anything about the Greys going through walls it just means they don't know anything about the greys. Let me respectfully suggest that if you are interested in information about the greys there are a great many sources that would give you much more accurate details than the SDG.

I have mentioned many times over the past few months in this thread and others that the Serpo group in invoved in a very large disinformation campaign concerning the 'greys', 'j-rod' 'Reticulum 4' and other visitors from outer space. If you are interested in more disinfo see the thread titled "Information Released Yesterday about contact between USG and Aliens Visiting Earth".

Meanwhile, although this is not my thread I would appreciate that you address sleeper in just a little more respectful way than "What are you talkling about sleeper." Sleeper is talking about things about which you know nothing and I appreciate him checking in from time to time. I'm sure sleeper has better things to do than answer rude, uninfomed questions. Thanks for your understanding cryptoman.

Originally posted by Timeseer

[quote[I'm not about some sort of a bio-android created by the exact race I am talking about. I am talking about the race I most oftenly are always talking about. The Annunaki... the tall grey skin versions of ourselves from the Galaxy, Andromeda.


Thanks for your input Timeseer, we have accidentally strayed a little off topic, "Bob Lazar Fact or Fiction."

Originally posted by violet

Mr. Lear
As for gender issues versus homosexuality in a person, re: your statement homosexuality is caused by the wrong soul being put in the wrong body.
.
There are people who feel they got put in the wrong body. A man may feel that inside he is really a woman, and may get sex changes done, so he can get the right body or container as you say ET"s call them. A man may get a sex change, becoming a woman, but still is attracted to girls. And this could also be the man becomes a woman and is attracted to men, as he was prior to the changes. The "trapped soul" may be gay or straight.

The point is, feeling you are the wrong gender and feeling you are attracted ti the same gender are completely different issues. Physical versus emotional I suppose. When a man wants to be with another man, this does not mean that this gay man feels that deep inside he is a woman !

So it seems that having these gender issues, best fits your idea of the wrong soul being in the wrong body and should be applied to that, rather than homosexuality, do you think? I'm not gay btw !

Thanks Violet. I appreciate your taking the time to straighten me out on this issue. Once again I am reminded how little I know.

Sleeper, I have made the statement that homosexuality is because for some reason male souls are getting accidentally (or otherwise) into female bodies (containers) and vice versa. Violet is bringing some additional information on that issue to the table which makes it even more complex. Can you help us figure out whats going on here? Thanks.

actually john lear i knew about the greys home system before i knew about project serpo

All this talk of souls, and how they get sent from the moon to bodies, etc...there isnt one ounce of proof we have a soul.

When we die, our particles are like a drop of water.
Once it hits the ocean, it disperses and becomes one with the ocean and is no longer the identity "water drop" it was before.

In Judaism there are 5 levels of the soul...interesting stuff.
I think its our way of coping with the fact we cease to exist after this life.

Im not saying that eternal life isnt possible...but you better figure it out while you have the opportunity of having life. (now, not in some heaven after death)

We are nothing more than a computer. At conception the program is initiated, and from there, from our "choices" we think we are something more than what we actually are. OUr choices are from info that we have recieved, not something that we already have...which if we had a soul, would be the case.

So, Im looking for proof, until then, make the best out of the life you have here.

Peace

Dalen



[edit on 22-8-2006 by dAlen]

i know i dont even beleive in souls and mentioning of souls shouldnt be in an alien thread aliens and souls are two different sides of the argument

Originally posted by dAlen

All this talk of souls, and how they get sent from the moon to bodies, etc...there isnt one ounce of proof we have a soul.

When we die, our particles are like a drop of water.
Once it hits the ocean, it disperses and becomes one with the ocean and is no longer the identity "water drop" it was before.

We are nothing more than a computer. At conception the program is initiated, and from there, from our "choices" we think we are something more than what we actually are. OUr choices are from info that we have recieved, not something that we already have...which if we had a soul, would be the case.

So, Im looking for proof, until then, make the best out of the life you have here.

Peace

Dalen

Dalen, thanks for your input. Just offhand I think you will have to do a few more roundtrips to the Big Soul Machine On The Moon than the rest of us. Thats just an observation.