Bob Lazar fact or fiction???

Originally posted by dAlen

Earlier it was said that the U.S. travels daily to the moon, here it says we are recycled till we become mature.

Don't confuse our daily trips to the moon for exploration, scientific, political and manufacturing objectives with the so-called 'soul tower'. It is doubtful whether pr not our government has even figured that out. Even if it has it is probably forbidden to go there.

\Sounds more like a prison planet, but its not sounding to good if those guarding us believe in war themselves.

Those guarding us have no particular beliefs one way or the other. They are just 'guarding' us until WE can figure it out. Collectively we don't seem to be doing a very good job, but individually we seem to be all learning a lot, especially at this time.

Seems with technology comes more viloence. Perhaps these E.T.s need to mature?

As I mentioned above its not the ET's that need to mature and as far as the techonology and violence you ain't seen nothing yet.

I would like to ask if anyone can shed some light on 2 experiences i've had.

1st: I was sitting on a friends porch at night with a friend about 5 years ago and he pointed something out in the sky, what we both saw were lights scattered about, large distances apart, they were not white lights, each one was coloured differently red, blue, green, yellow, orange, purple, and a few others, they were just specks in the sky and they were still.

2nd: another friend pointed something he saw at the end of his street (long straight road). What we saw there was an orange cirlcular shape just sitting in the sky (again it was night time), It was there for 2 nights in a row, the next night it was gone, then the night after that is was back again, then next night it was gone and we never saw it again.

what I would like is to know if there is any natural causes for these things we saw or are they what I thought they were (being U.F.O's)

O.k just putting 2 an 2 together from what you've said Mr Lear

Going to get a bit biblical.

E.t's needed to convey religion somehow so we dont self destruct trying to find purpose of our lives, why not impregnate some lady(mary) and tell her son (Jesus) that he is the Son of God. Give him the ability to do some form of magic tricks and the ability to heal for the proof people would need that god exists.
He gets stoned on the cross and his soul goes to this device, now assuming E.T's have full control of this soul collecter they send his soul back to his body,
Alas resurrection.
What do you think?

originally posted by John Lear

All of this information we are talking about is conjecture. I have no proof and never said I did. I can't refer you to a textbook or a NASA manual to prove what I a saying. All I am saying is that this is what I believe and this is why I believe it. Many have asked why I don't write a book. The simple reason is that information changes from hour to hour, day to day. And I change my ideas with it. Learning is accepting a constant flow of information and not being afraid to say, "whoops, I was wrong on that issue...here is what I now believe. That may be frustrating for those who are listening to you because they say, "Now wait a minute! Last month you said." Yes, last month maybe I did say that but THIS month this is what I believe. I'm learning for myself not for you. Furthermore I don't have a website just for that very reason. I wouldn't have to time to keep it up and information always changes. But one thing will never change and that is that darn Tower, right smack dab in the middle of the moon standing 6 glorious miles high. What is that thing anyway?

When I read the above quoted I was truly impressed. This is the point of it all. This site is devoted to the free exchange of ideas that just don't get talked about in "polite company" unless you enjoy being looked at like your head is made of cheese.

The reality of this subject (UFOs/Aliens, etc...) is... there is very little reality. What, exactly, IS reality anyway? Who says so? We supposedly understand that our senses are the direct result of a bio-electric processor AKA the Human brain/body combination.

It is certain that ANY sensor is subject to adjustment, misfire, misread, alternative data input, etc... It is also certain that any processor can be adjusted, misfire, misread, get corrupted or be alternatively "tweaked" into creating "x" from d+c/w(a-b) rather than "y".

If we all walk through this life blindly accepting the constructs we are told are "reality" and never wonder "what if" or "why" or better yet, "why not" then I say we have wasted this life. Reality to one man is a very different thing to another. This is evident in as large a data set as various societies comprised of thousands of people. Thousnds of minds that accept reality as "y".

Schizophrenics, who we have the nerve to call "ill" see a very different version of reality dont they? If you don't know what I mean please go watch the movie "A Beautiful Mind" it will blow yours.

The best part of the above quoted, mostly because it reflects my mantra of "never marry a theory", is the admission that what we may have believed a month ago has nothing to do with or may be in complete contradiction with what we believe today. THAT is the sign of a very healthy and active mind IMHO.

Springer...


[edit on 8-21-2006 by Springer]

Originally posted by chris01621

E.t's needed to convey religion somehow so we dont self destruct trying to find purpose of our lives, why not impregnate some lady(mary) and tell her son (Jesus) that he is the Son of God. Give him the ability to do some form of magic tricks and the ability to heal for the proof people would need that god exists.
He gets stoned on the cross and his soul goes to this device, now assuming E.T's have full control of this soul collecter they send his soul back to his body,
Alas resurrection.
What do you think?

There are 2 schools of thought. One says Jesus didn't exist, another says he did. I have read both arguments and they both have excellent points.

I believe he existed because the documents that Bob Lazar read at S-4 says the ET's made Jesus, Mohammed and another guy (not Buddah). The third guy that they made and sent down to 'organize and pacify' was killed. What was interesting in the 18 page account that Bob read was the mammoth effort the ET's made to find out who killed him and where the body was. I don't believe he was ever found but the gist of the story in the document was the ET's couldn't believe how evil someone had to be to kill this third guy.

Assuming Jesus existed (which I believe) my personal belief is that the crucifiction was a hoax, it was a put up job. Either that or it didn't occur at all. But whether it was a hoax or a stage play, Jesus and Mary moved to the south of France where Jesus had 3 sons. There may be a lot of dispute with the suppositions of Holy Blood, Holy Grail and the DaVinci Code but the one fact that is indisputable is Poussins painting of the Shepards of Arcadia (1638).

[edit on 21-8-2006 by johnlear]

You mean the three shepherds are supposed to be the sons of Jesus? Wow. Interesting thought. Who's the babe in the painting then, Mary or a daughter?

PS: Do you recall the name of the crater where that tower is supposed to be located? Have you ever searched for it in lunar images?

[edit on 8/21/2006 by mythatsabigprobe]

Originally posted by johnlear

Assuming Jesus existed (which I believe) my personal belief is that the crucifiction was a hoax, it was a put up job. Either that or it didn't occur at all. But whether it was a hoax or a stage play, Jesus and Mary moved to the south of France where Jesus had 3 sons. There may be a lot of dispute with the suppositions of Holy Blood, Holy Grail and the DaVinci Code but the one fact that is indisputable is Poussins painting of the Shepards of Arcadia (1638).

[edit on 21-8-2006 by johnlear]

Hi John,

I will get flak for this but a person named Jesus never existed, therefore neither did Mary Magdalene. Da Vinci code is a nice story and nothing more.

Paul created Jesus as a character in the New Testament story. Paul was extraterrestrial, so Bob was right.

Originally posted by johnlear
What was interesting in the 18 page account that Bob read was the mammoth effort the ET's made to find out who killed him and where the body was.

I wonder why they didn't just schlurp his soul up into the Moon soulcatcher and ask? This makes me wonder if "they" are as all-powerful and all-knowing as you think. It would seem they'd want to keep special track of a special individual.

Maybe.

Originally posted by sleeper
I will get flak for this ...

Allow me to send some flak.

j/k Press on. Always interested, even when I completely disagree.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

You mean the three shepherds are supposed to be the sons of Jesus? Wow. Interesting thought. Who's the babe in the painting then, Mary or a daughter?

Mary

PS: Do you recall the name of the crater where that tower is supposed to be located? Have you ever searched for it in lunar images?

The crator it sits on is Mosting A. A picture of it is on LO3-84M (see enterprisemission.com). Lunar Orbiter Series 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, were launched between 1966 and 1967 and orbited the moon with powerful cameras. Thousands of pictures were taken in a 16 x 20 format and transmitted to earth. Most of them were systematically airbrushed by NASA but a few personnel slipped some of the originals out. The originals are highly prized among collectors these days. I have a single one (not LO3-84M). The tower can't be seen from any earthbound telescope pictures that are available to the public. I have most of those pictures and I can't see it mainly because the sun is shining on it. The sun has to be behind it as it is made of a glasslike material just like all lunar constructions specifically so they can't be seen by earthbound telescopes.

If you have a map of the moon, to the best of all research it is exactly at Mosting A south of Mosting almost dead center of the moon. There are a few web sites dedicated to the research of the exact position of the tower (I don't remember which ones they are.)

Originally posted by sleeper

Hi John,
I will get flak for this but a person named Jesus never existed, therefore neither did Mary Magdalene. Da Vinci code is a nice story and nothing more.

Paul created Jesus as a character in the New Testament story. Paul was extraterrestrial, so Bob was right.

Hi sleeper and thanks for the input. Your comments are specifically why I said 2 schools of thought. You'll notice I said both sides had excellent arguments.

I am really appreciative that you took the time to post.

Tell me what your thoughts are on Poussins painting? Is this just a continuation of Paul's 'nice story'?

I am not as knowledgeable as you on bible history can you give me a couple of lines on Paul.

Thanks.

Originally posted by johnlear
Tell me what your thoughts are on Poussins painting? Is this just a continuation of Paul's 'nice story'?

Many of the Renaissance painters and those that came after depict biblical figures in fact they have put a face on Christianity. Poussins painted three shepherds and a woman presumably Mary---Jesus’ mother, rather than his supposed secret lover Mary Magdalene. There were Shepard’s in the field when Jesus was born and they visited the manger, perhaps Poussins was portraying them and Jesus’ mother visiting the grave----there is no shortage of theories and speculation about that painting as you probably know.

I am not as knowledgeable as you on bible history can you give me a couple of lines on Paul.

Paul is credited with writing many of the NT books---I say he wrote most. Paul was a Pharisee named Saul who persecuted Christians before he saw the light while on the road to Damascus and became the most influential Christian figure second only to the fable Peter.

Originally posted by johnlear

Glad you came a long to straighten things out Vector J. They are biological entities. I use the term "glorified robots" for people who don't know what biological and entity mean. These biological entities were 'manufactured' by the ET's that run the show. (So to speak) These biological entities have one job and that is to monitor the human race on behalf of the ET's. They abduct and tweak and monitor. It has been said that these 'biological entities' are 'stamped out of a mold'. Well, we know that its unlikely that they could be 'stamped' but they are all the same. So how can we better phrase that? There are no male or females as such and they don't reproduce. They have a much higher intelligence than we do. They can peer directly into our soul, our very essence. They know our every thought. Nothing can be hidden. So 'cybernetic organism' worked until you came along. With your expertise we ought to be able to come up with a more accurate description and/or definition. Thanks.

A 'cybernetic organism' can most broadly be described as an organism enhanced by technology, and is where the term 'cyborg' comes from. Now from your description of what you believe the greys to be, it may be possible that this term can still ring true.

Please bare with me here, based on your descriptions i'm going to posit a few ideas on 'biological entities' being 'stamped out of a mold'. This is of course all speculation on my part and is simply an attempt to bring a more technical vision to this interpretation of the greys. Not knowing exactly who has reffered to them as 'being stamped out of a mold' and what exactly those people intended that to mean, this is a 'best guess' of how to interpret that and reconcile it with a simple technical view.

The simplest view of how to 'manufacture' biological entities could prehaps be better described as them being 'grown'. This is of course the classical idea of cloning, and in this case it would mean 'biological cells having been altered to fufil a specific purpose'. This purpose being the creation of a 'grey'. It is theoretically entirely possible to program cells by altering their base dna, and then allowing them to grow, or in some way speeding up that progress to achieve a fully grown form in a short time. Imagine specifically altering a sperm cell and an egg cell, and then fusing them to achieve the desired organism based on the dna you have placed within them, with good enough technology you could engineer such simple cells to create an exceedingly complex organism to an exacting set of standards.

Note: I am in no way inferring greys are produced through sperm and egg cells, which would obviously be difficult as you refer to them as being genderless and unable to reproduce, this is merely a supposition that base cells are augmented and used in this process.

The idea of 'stamping out of a mold' can be simply seen as 'Item A' being created in great number, exactly the same every time, through some process. Where in this example, Item A is a grey.

With this idea (and these specific definitions) we have:
Biological Entity - Check
Stamped out of a mold - Check

Continued Below.

Originally posted by yeahright

Originally posted by sleeper
I will get flak for this ...

Allow me to send some flak.

j/k Press on. Always interested, even when I completely disagree.

Flak from you yeahright is always appreciated!---

A variation on this idea would be that the greys are infact also part mechanical, adding to the 'manufactured' idea. They could imagined to begin as a base mechanical skeleton, or set of parts, around which organic cells are grow in much the same way as above, with the parts intermingling to create a united whole greater than the sum of its parts. Now the reason i suggest this idea is that it could inpart explain the way that the greys have these 'higher abilities', greater intelligence, beign able to see into our soul and such. It could simply be believed that these are abilities that everyone possess's and due to the altering of their dna in their creation they have greater access to these than we do. However the technological side of this possibility could mean that these greater abilities are due to the interplay between organism and machine, and that this technology is what elevates them above man. And that definition would bring us smack squarely into 'cybernetic organism' territory.

Ok, I'm not entirely sure i've actually brought much to this whole 'grey' idea, but i hope my suggestions of exactly how they are 'manufactured' give a better idea of what they may be to people.

Speaking in terms, i guess from this overview 'cybernetic organism' does indeed work, it certainly checks all the boxes. Possible other interpretations could be 'Extraterestrial Manufactured Entity' or EME, that certainyl seems to fit the description. 'Artificial Life Form' is a bit of a stretch as its hilariously broad, but certainly still applies. 'Artificial Created Organism' works too. However this is simply getting into semantics.

I wonder John if anything i've said here gels with your beliefs about the greys and their creation?

I hope this has been at least somewaht informative and that i'm not just re-treading old ground and old definitions that ahve been bandied about before.

Sleeper,

What do you think about the stories of ELijah?

Here's the best pic of Mosting "A" that I could find, at least I think this is Mosting A, on the western edge of Flammarion?



I don't see anything but dusty rocks in the crater myself - ok, if I squint through the bottom of my beer glass I can see an alien holding up a huge rectal probe... I hope that's not your soul collector.

Originally posted by Vector J

Ok, I'm not entirely sure i've actually brought much to this whole 'grey' idea, but i hope my suggestions of exactly how they are 'manufactured' give a better idea of what they may be to people.

Speaking in terms, i guess from this overview 'cybernetic organism' does indeed work, it certainly checks all the boxes. Possible other interpretations could be 'Extraterestrial Manufactured Entity' or EME, that certainyl seems to fit the description. 'Artificial Life Form' is a bit of a stretch as its hilariously broad, but certainly still applies. 'Artificial Created Organism' works too. However this is simply getting into semantics.

I wonder John if anything i've said here gels with your beliefs about the greys and their creation?

I hope this has been at least somewaht informative and that i'm not just re-treading old ground and old definitions that ahve been bandied about before.

Very informative. I like EME. An Extraterrestrial Manufactured Entity. What to you think, sleeper?

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Here's the best pic of Mosting "A" that I could find, at least I think this is Mosting A, on the western edge of Flammarion?

I don't see anything but dusty rocks in the crater myself - ok, if I squint through the bottom of my beer glass I can see an alien holding up a huge rectal probe... I hope that's not your soul collector.

Many have searched. Did you check out www.vgl.org/ (scroll down to Sinus Medii)

John you as you state about Joe Mcmoneagle it seems you beleive in remote viewing, my question is can anyone do this or do you have to be psychic?

Only I've found a web site claiming they can teach you to do it.