Bob Lazar fact or fiction???

Originally posted by mr cryptoman
theirs no such thing as a soul sleeper its an old religious wives tale theirs no thing beyond the physical realm which makes us who we are its all in the brain the brain is the only thing which makes us who we are not some magical thing which cant be taken out of the human body and be studied thats just ridiclious

I know this is a few bpages back.

My point is in the lump of flesh that we call a brain theer are electronics signals all buzzing around (Flesh and electricity), How can I picture the most colourful landscapes or the most bizarre scenes perfectly in my mind, I think this has some proof of something spiritual inside us, I beleive in my soul.

I believe him... Call me crazy...

Lazar that is..

[edit on 8/23/06 by bobby3]

Originally posted by Shar_Chi
i reckon i'd feel the same if i lived in las vegas

I was there last week... Man it's hot...
I used to want to live there but I don't think I could handle the heat...


A few people from my department here in Southern California had a little bit of a picnic in a park today. They were complaining about it being hot. There was a cool breeze, and I thought it was nice...

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by observe50





Earth is beautiful but there are too many humans here. They're moving in to all the nice neighborhoods, driving the property values down. No thanks. I'll take Saturn any day.

I also think earth is a beatiful place but there are some very ugly minds here, I can't wait to see another plane in another life (if possible), I just hope I dont have to come back here.

Originally posted by TOOMBS
Ok guys, I am going to give you the secret of the Universe.......... GET A PEN!


ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE, that tells you some incredible stuff without ONE shred of proof.......IS FULL OF CRAP!

Lazar, Dr. Greer, Sleeper, Lear........... or ANYONE that gives you all the answers with no proof. THAT PERSON IS FULL OF IT!


This formula works in all cases at all times. It will save you a lifetime of frustration.

Give me evidence that the people you listed are, as you say "full of crap"...

And remember: An absense of evidence does not necessarily constitute evidence...

[edit on 8/23/06 by bobby3]

Originally posted by dAlen
All this talk of souls, and how they get sent from the moon to bodies, etc...there isnt one ounce of proof we have a soul.

Actually I believe there is more than an ounce of proof (in the literal not the figurative sence). Thought I have to say I heard this a long time ago and can't seem to find it anymore (so I don't know how accurate it is).

I had heard that if a person who is dieing is laying on a scale, between the time they are still alive and the time they're deffinatly dead, the scale looses around 8 lbs (it was 8 point something in each case I believe). There's little to account for the weight differnce. Even if the person were to loose fluids or solid matter, thoes materials would still be physically on the scale after they die, so would not account for this.

So one theory would be the soul weighs that 8.xx lbs and that is what is accounting for the weight difference.

I did a quick search on google, but kept getting "loose weight or die" diet pages, so I can't seem to find where I had heard this from... Take it with a grain of salt though since I can't give a link at this point...

Originally posted by bobby3

I had heard that if a person who is dieing is laying on a scale, between the time they are still alive and the time they're deffinatly dead, the scale looses around 8 lbs (it was 8 point something in each case I believe). There's little to account for the weight differnce. Even if the person were to loose fluids or solid matter, thoes materials would still be physically on the scale after they die, so would not account for this.

It was 8 ozs. not 8 pounds. I remember reading the story.

Originally posted by chris01621
I would like to ask if anyone can shed some light on 2 experiences i've had.

1st: I was sitting on a friends porch at night with a friend about 5 years ago and he pointed something out in the sky, what we both saw were lights scattered about, large distances apart, they were not white lights, each one was coloured differently red, blue, green, yellow, orange, purple, and a few others, they were just specks in the sky and they were still.

2nd: another friend pointed something he saw at the end of his street (long straight road). What we saw there was an orange cirlcular shape just sitting in the sky (again it was night time), It was there for 2 nights in a row, the next night it was gone, then the night after that is was back again, then next night it was gone and we never saw it again.

what I would like is to know if there is any natural causes for these things we saw or are they what I thought they were (being U.F.O's)

Sorry for putting this on twice now, but for anyone who hasn't seen it,

I would really like to know if there are any scientific explanations for my accounts.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by bobby3

I had heard that if a person who is dieing is laying on a scale, between the time they are still alive and the time they're deffinatly dead, the scale looses around 8 lbs (it was 8 point something in each case I believe).

It was 8 ozs. not 8 pounds. I remember reading the story.

And, yet the term "dead weight" seems to imply they would be heavier. If you ask me, the same person is easier to lift if they are alive, and not recently dead.

But i've heard of these experiments as well.

JohnLear,
Curious about your take on Lazar. Fact mixed with fiction? Fact? or Fiction?

I started reading on your as real as the nose on your face forum and you state that aliens are not going to blow us up.

My question is do you beleive that aliens have wiped out previous (models) of us to create a newer version of us, if so, don't you beleive that they could infact wipe us out to make a newer model at any time they like?

[edit on 23-8-2006 by chris01621]

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

JohnLear, Curious about your take on Lazar. Fact mixed with fiction? Fact? or Fiction?

Please check my fifth post of page 2. Thanks.

Originally posted by chris01621
I started reading on your as real as the nose on your face forum and you state that aliens are not going to blow us up.

My question is do you beleive that aliens have wiped out previous (models) of us to create a newer version of us, if so, don't you beleive that they could infact wipe us out to make a newer model at any time they like?

[edit on 23-8-2006 by chris01621]

Aliens---ETs can do anything they want with us, they have wiped out many civilizations and created others on this planet and countless others for eons---it’s still going on and will continue for a long time---but not for the reason to improve on the human design.

When humans move into space---some humans---the vast majority will not but those that do will get modified bodies more suited for the change.

Every few thousand years humans on earth get slight modifications to accommodate new realities but there is no such thing as experimentation until they find the best model----there is no trial and error for ET, they pull out of the bag the model they need and put it into use.

Originally posted by sleeper

there is no trial and error for ET, they pull out of the bag the model they need and put it into use.

ROTFLMAO

Sleeper, I found your previous thread and read about 16 pages and was quite impressed. It is late so I flipped through to find it was 110 pages. I read the last two pages wondering why it stopped there only to find the ignorance.

I'm 57 so I understand where you are coming from. There are a few here that are our age but the younger ones just have no idea, and you really can't talk to some of them.


I know I have tried to tell of my happenings but I'm the only one that seems to understand what I am saying, lol.

I think the hoaxers have destroyed this subject and I am sure they feel very proud of themselves.

I know I am at the point that I write what I have been shown and told when I want, I answer questions when asked and if anyone puts me down I now take as the kids of this time do, oh well.

How do we really explain to them things that make no sense in this reality? Many can say I don't know why this has happened to me but I can't even say that because I asked and I was told this:

We know your soul is innocent and pure and you will always want to do what is right.

So when I am free I sit and observe it's what I do. Sometimes I observe well sometimes even I want to throw in the towel but I can't seem to give up yet I still have hope.

Hi John,

I have been monitoring this thread for a while and am generally pleased by the intelligent and well-informed responses.

As a ufologist, spiritual advisor, as well as a Solist Mystic of many years, I'd like to add some of my own insight to this heated discussion.

First off, as others have stated, Bob Lazar is the real deal. I have debated disinformation agents and people with prejudiced perspectives for years - in this forum and others - and Lazar is sincere, objective, and educated in the subject matter.

Secondly, Lazar does not fit the profile of a disinformation agent. Examples of those that do include Al Bielek (who may be sincere but manipulated) and the late Philip Julian Klass.

Thirdly, Lazar not being able to back up his academic credentials is irrelevant. If one listens to what he says in interviews, reads the information on his site, and views his documentary, one comes to know that the man is well versed in physics and engineering

Lastly, a witness is a witness. If Lazar were only a former night janitor at S4 who then went public with claims of seeing extraterrestrial craft there, that is still a testimony of merit. Perhaps Stanton Friedman is suffering from academic snobbery in regard to his take on him.

In the course of my own investigations into UFOs and aliens, my family and I have had a number of close calls whereby the classic pre-abduction scenario of paralysis beams entering our home took place. We avoided contact with the beams and thereby avoided becoming paralyzed and/or unconscious.

If the Greys had the ability to teleport or walk through walls, then why didn't they do so once they realized their paralysis beams were not reaching us?

Because they do not have these abilities, even with their advanced technology.

Experience has taught me that the Zetan-aliens will not enter a home or vehicle unless they feel that their intended are incapacitated.

We even have a site page on how to avoid an alien abduction.

I have also found that usually the people who are the most adamant about the Zetan-aliens being able to read minds, teleport, and walk through walls, are those who have already been abducted at least once in their lives.

When one is kidnapped by Greys (the most typically reported alien), strong drugs are used in part to not only implant screen memories but to psychologically manipulate abductees into believing that the aliens have godlike abilities.

Why?

Because a prisoner who thinks that his captors are godlike is less likely to fight or try to escape.

In a word...BRAINWASHING.

The first casualty of every war is the truth.

Just as there is a propaganda war that goes on with the government in spreading disinformation - like the idea that the US Eldridge was teleported around and that time travel was also a result of the Philadelphia Experiment - there is also an ongoing disinformation campaign of the Zetan-aliens themselves that needs to be considered.

In my many years as a spiritual medium, I can tell you without a doubt that those of us in the flesh do not live in a vacuum. There is constant interaction between people on This Side and those on the Other Side. Much of that telepathic interaction from the ethically-challenged in the Spirit is of a deceptive nature.

In recent years, there has been a lot of research done in the area of Near Death Experiences. Among the various conclusions found in that research, I am sure that if there were anything that even remotely resembled a soul recycle center on the Moon, that it would be mentioned.

It is not.

Additionally, as a spiritual medium, I converse with discarnates many times a day. Nothing in the physical spectrum can hurt them. Which is why channelers never hear complaints from those on the Other Side who traverse the heavens and who have the unfortunate circumstance of being sucked into the nearest black hole. It doesn't happen. You can drop a nuclear bomb in the physical space where a Spirit resides and, outside of a lot of physical disruption and noise, the discarnate is not harmed one iota.

No physical machine can entrap a soul and no physical device can hurt one.

So I conclude that the soul tower on the Moon paradigm is simply the result of discarnate and perhaps incarnate Zetan-alien propaganda.



[edit on 24-8-2006 by Paul_Richard]

Paul Richard are you saying you are a spiritual medium?
If so then do you believe all spirits stay on earth or some go to a higher plane?(Do they have a choice)
what would be the reasons for a spirit to stay on earth, is it just unfinished buisness?

[edit on 24-8-2006 by chris01621]

Actually I think you should be careful, just because you are a spiritual medium doesn't mean you really know about the Grey's.

The Grey's can go through walls, etc. and if they want you they will get you. How do you know it was the Grey's that put that beam of light toward you and your family, there are many species here not just the Grey's.

I will admit the Grey's are ................ but so are humans.

I assume youv'e all heard about Pluto being downgraded as a planet.
Apparently it's just a bit of rubble left over from the creation of the solar system, I think it's a load of crap (a planet is a planet)

What do you think?

Originally posted by chris01621
Paul Richard are you saying you are a spiritual medium?
If so then do you believe all spirits stay on earth or some go to a higher plane?(Do they have a choice)
what would be the reasons for a spirit to stay on earth, is it just unfinished buisness?

Yes I am.

The phrase "stay on earth" entails many variations. There is always a choice involved.

When we leave the flesh, we experience a life review whereby we can clearly understand how our actions affected those around us. All significant karmic debts must be worked on as it affects our ability to raise our spiritual vibration.

The accountability is with The Light; the nonliving, infinite energy source in the discarnate dimensions which is governed by Universal Law that cannot be changed. Without The Light, there can be no planets, stars, or souls, as it enables reality to exist.

Our ability to ascend into The Light when free of matter and to a spiritual place is determined by our application of The Golden Rule, our service to others, and by our ability to love genuinely and deeply - which also corresponds to our ability to Radiate Spiritual White Light.

The higher the plane, the greater the expansion of consciousness, the brighter the dimension, and the more powerful the level of energy.

The Seven Astral Planes

It is a common misperception that only people on the lower discarnate dimensions have anything to do with those in the flesh. When a soul goes into The Light, it can still view what is happening on earth and there is constant telepathic interaction from many on the Other Side.

An earthbound entity would be someone that has a fixation with the lower elements of physical existence. An example of this is someone who was an alcoholic in life and who goes to bars to have the opportunity to tune into those who drink heavily.

Life is very important because how we have lived our life largely determines how far we can go into the light.

From: The NDE & Life Review Conclusions

Originally posted by observe50
Actually I think you should be careful, just because you are a spiritual medium doesn't mean you really know about the Grey's.

The Grey's can go through walls, etc. and if they want you they will get you. How do you know it was the Grey's that put that beam of light toward you and your family, there are many species here not just the Grey's.

I will admit the Grey's are ................ but so are humans.

Being a Solist Mystic did indeed lead me to getting confirmations that the Greys and Zetan-aliens in general do not have godlike abilities

But what first convinced me of this (in this life) is their failure to abduct me and members of my family after directing their white paralysis beam floodlight into our second story bathroom window - late at night in the winter, back in the early 1990s. That light, which stemmed from a completely silent backyard (their probe or craft was probably cloaked), also illuminated the adjoining master bedroom and was far brighter than a police helicopter searchlight. The beams were avoided and no one in our home was paralyzed or abducted.

Okay, so maybe their teleporter, wall-shifter, and mind-reading mechanisms weren't working that night.

[edit on 24-8-2006 by Paul_Richard]