'Lost:' Season Three Discussion...

Originally posted by JackofBlades
Did anyone else get that the opening was almost a complete parallel with the opening of Season 2?

yupp, i noticed that too...

also juliett had cds and a cd player...

this is further evidence that they have contact with the outside world...

Originally posted by Umbrax
Would Ethan's list have more than Jack's first name on it?

exactly...

in the tail section's group's case, the list had the names of the people and what they were wearing...

so maybe ethan's and goodwin's lists had everything they found out about the survivors...

then, ben does a google search or something

Originally posted by JackofBlades
Personally, I don't think Ethan ever completed his list.

fair enough...

ethan still could have had sufficient information just from spending that much time with the survivors...

he could have told ben information from memory

Originally posted by they see ALL

Originally posted by Umbrax
Would Ethan's list have more than Jack's first name on it?

exactly...

in the tail section's group's case, the list had the names of the people and what they were wearing...

so maybe ethan's and goodwin's lists had everything they found out about the survivors...

then, ben does a google search or something

The point is, you can't dig up enough information to fill up a fat file like that with only a first name. Even a first and last name might not get you far. How many Jack Shephard's could be in a city of 4 million+ people.
In my city of 1 million I know there are at least 2 others with my name, and I don't have a common name. Minimum, to dig up that kind of info you need a full name (first, middle, last) and location.
The others either had prior knowledge of Jack or they have some other means (such as telepathy) of getting that information.

Originally posted by they see ALL
you could try the itunes store (which sells episodes for $1.99 supposedly)...

I just downloaded itunes and bought a season 3 pass....

A Tale of Two Cities is downloading now....6 hours to go

Now I just need to get a larger screen, cause this laptop ain't workin' out.

Originally posted by Umbrax
The point is, you can't dig up enough information to fill up a fat file like that with only a first name.

i love lost debates

here is how i can defend my position:

the others knew where jack was going and where the plane lifted off...

now they could have gotten information from oceanic airlines (even though the two aren't connected) and then went from there...

how do you think a private investigator finds people with very little information???

anyway, here is a cool thought on the others:

there are two "groups" of others:

- the others that never left the village...

- the others that leave the village to interact with out losties (ben, tom, pickett, miss klough, alex, etc)...

this is interesting because the others that interacted with our losties are nowhere to be seen in the village pre-crash / post crash (most of the others in this group were not seen in this episode)...

there are exceptions though:

ben / ethan / goodwin / tom...

ben had a plan, at least, because he says something like "so i guess this means i am out of the book club"...

he must have known what must be done...

or maybe, once an other interacts with the losties, that other cannot return to the village...

the others in this first group are old (think the book club people), they are probably just enjoying life in a utopia...

it seems, to me, that ben (and the others from the second group) might have been lying to the others in the first group about the whole situation...

this is all i have for now...

Originally posted by SportyMB

I just downloaded itunes and bought a season 3 pass....

great news

again (for everyone else that desires), here is a link that will allow you to download episodes of lost after they air on US tv:

the itunes store...

What about mind reading? Maybe they got the 4-11 on Jack through reading his mind and all that stuff. Could have used Walt or maybe there's some other thing on the island that read minds (the black smoke), remember, there's been stuff, people and weird crap to manifest on the island. And a lot of it could have only been known to one person.

Not saying I would go with that, just throwing it out there. I'm leaning towards the the Others have off-island support theory.

[edit on 5/10/2006 by SportyMB]

Originally posted by SportyMB
What about mind reading? Maybe they got the 4-11 on Jack through reading his mind and all that stuff. Could have used Walt or maybe there's some other thing on the island that read minds (the black smoke), remember, there's been stuff, people and weird crap to manifest on the island. And a lot of it could have only been known to one person.

maybe or maybe not...

jack, for example, has never seen walt after he had been abducted...

jack has never been scanned by the black smoke (like eko was) but he did see the smoke for a bit in the season one finale...

as of now my stance is that the others have off-island support...

to further this idea:

remember ben telling michael, in season two's finale, that he shouldn't tell anyone about the island because "people" might find out what he did to get off the island???

that whole bit was odd to me...

how could the outside world find out what michael did to get off the island???

michael could have just lied to the outside world about his experience on the island...

these "people" that ben was talking about are probably (in my opinion) the ones assisting the others...

of course, this is assuming that michael and walt will eventually reach the outside world...

Originally posted by SportyMB
What about mind reading? Maybe they got the 4-11 on Jack through reading his mind and all that stuff.

That wouldn't work. Juliette seemed to give the impression that they had information on him, his father, Sarah, her lover, everything.
When he asks her if she's happy, she replies "Very happy."
This clearly shows that they are still monitoring her and are able to get current information on her.

Perhaps her boyfriend is an operative!!

Originally posted by they see ALL
ethan still could have had sufficient information just from spending that much time with the survivors...

he could have told ben information from memory

I don't think Ethan knew much about Jack. He seemed more obssessed with Claire, and personally I think he had feelings for her that he shouldn't have.
Anyway, I don't think Jack would have told any of the other Losties that much about himself.
Besides Kate (who would have kept quiet), he doesn't exactly confide in any of his 'friends'.

Originally posted by JackofBlades
When he asks her if she's happy, she replies "Very happy."
This clearly shows that they are still monitoring her and are able to get current information on her.

remember when ben said "good job" to juliet???

perhaps she was lying to him and, thus, manipulating him???

the others are famous for that...

He seemed more obssessed with Claire, and personally I think he had feelings for her that he shouldn't have.

i think this too...

my point is that all the others needed was a list of who was on the plane and then they could have possibly gotten the rest from oceanic and then go on from there...

Originally posted by they see ALL
remember when ben said "good job" to juliet???

perhaps she was lying to him and, thus, manipulating him???

the others are famous for that...

definitely seems that it's all some sort of plan leading somewhere.

i think they knew jack would try and escape and go out that door, they knew he would open that door, and i think it was a setup to make it seem like he's trapped because only then did he slightly give up hope and start cooperating.

jack is there, sawyer and kate are in a couple cages opposite. obviously there's a reason behind this. seems like they're doing experiments and analysing them. for example when henry said 'why did you say sawyer first'.. ''how is sawyer, and jack''..

the start of this episode was plain awesome. way to open the new series!

silly browser freezing and making me hit the post button twice..

[edit on 6-10-2006 by shaunybaby]

third time's a charm..

[edit on 6-10-2006 by shaunybaby]

All I know is I'm gonna ve pretty angry when the first 6 episodes are over and we have to wait until feb til the next one.

You gotta admit its a good way to keep the audiences tense though.

Originally posted by JackofBlades
All I know is I'm gonna ve pretty angry when the first 6 episodes are over and we have to wait until feb til the next one.

i have some fun stuff planned for this thread during the hiatus...

and here is a hint:

it is interactive and any ATSer can participate...

Anyone wonder what happened to Kate between having breakfast on the beach with Benry (that's what I call him) and when she was put in the cage across from Sawyer. She sure was shaken and bruised...like someone really roughed her up...or worse.

Originally posted by they see ALL
i have some fun stuff planned for this thread during the hiatus...

and here is a hint:

it is interactive and any ATSer can participate...

Can I be an Other???


Kismet, I think she was so shaken because of what notHenry (what I like to call him) said.
If someone told you that they were doinf something nice for you because they were about to do something very unpleasant for two weeks, wouldn't you be kinda shaken.

I'm almost positive that the music playing when the Others were putting Sawyer back into the cage was the music from "Planet of the Apes".

It would make complete sence since it was bascially what happened in the movies.

Any one else notice it?

Finally, I just watched the first episode, and it was awesome

Ok, about the whole do they have contact with the outside arguement. I think they do, obviously they've been on the island for a long time and the Dharma Initiative supposively ended in 1987 (founded in 1970). I read somewhere that LOST producers said that the "others" are/were the Dharma Initiative scientist (they didn't say original).

-There were many versions of Stephen Kings' Carrie that were in LOST 3-1. The most recent one I saw was the red covered mass market paperback edition that was first printed in 2002 according to the The Stephen King bookshop (picture of cover on the site) and Amazon.

wiki - (ISBN 0-671-03973-3 (paperback, 2000)

-When Jack asked Julliette how Sarah was doing she said that Sarah is doing well. She could be lying though, she really didn't prove anything.

My point is, the assumption that the "others" are on and have been on the island with no contact to the outside world is not likely. Especially if the book at the book club is a fairly new print.

[edit on 8/10/2006 by SportyMB]

it's odd, up until now, we had only seen the others in 'costume' so to speak. and also only seen them in their theatrical huts, and maternity hatch etc. it was odd seeing them in their nice little houses, in their book club, and their normal look. from their houses and book club thing, it seems as though they're not really bad people, but then we hear henry say i wanted to give you this to hold on to.. because the next two weeks aren't going to be nice.

also their communication, plan and action was very fast when the plane had crashed, henry sending ethan to one, and the other guy to the tail end section. the only question i have here is how in the world did they know there would be any survivors, let alone lots???