'Lost:' Season Three Discussion...

Originally posted by John Nada
To answer you TSA the outside world does exist, we saw it at the end of the last season.

believe me, i know this...

what did we actually see in that scene (i know the answer already, i'm just throwing it out here)???

some crazy snow weather???

is all the world like this???

remember, the crazy "jump the shark" moment will involve this scene...

what could be so shocking about an extension of that scene that will be so "jump the shark"-ish???

hmmm...

Originally posted by Jonna
The easy answer: he's a doctor...as well as the leader of the group. It's leverage.

the easy answer may suffice, but...

it looks like the others have enough "doctors" (think of the medical hatch scene with claire)...

Originally posted by John Nada
Another thing that adds to the dying out society theory. In the opening episode for this season what was the one thing missing from their beautiful villiage? Children.

exactly

the other others (haha) were missing too (i mentioned this earlier, read up if you desire)...

Originally posted by JackofBlades
Perhaps (going out on a limb) Ben was cloned there by DHARMA as part of their research but wasn't actually born until he was past adolesence.

no, no, no, no, no

okay, i'm not really made but please be aware:

the producers / etc have stated that absolutely no clones would be involved with lost...

they even said that the word "clone" will never be said in the show

o0o yeah...

if you like this thread, "digg" it

Originally posted by John Nada
He revealed he's been there all his life,

I haven't had a chance to watch the episode yet, I'll get around to it tonight. But I recall the producers saying in a podcast or maybe from somewhere else that "others" are/were Dharma Initiative Scientist. They didn't specify that they were the original scientist, they would have to be a bit older for that, imo.

This could still fit into the I've been here all my life theory, but I don't think Julliette and many of the "others" have been on the island for their entire lives.

Okay I watched the episode last night but didn't post cause I was sleepy

First thing is first...........in this episode Juliet and Kate looked Hot!!!

Now onto the serious stuff.

My main thing is, have any of you seen the videocast for episode 1? The writers (can't remember their names lol) said that there are more than one faction of the Others. Maybe Karl was from one of them, and I wonder if the other Others also live in small Desperate Housewives style accomodation.

Secondly, it is clear that Ben is in fact Him. Originally I don't think he was going to be (hence what he said in series 2) but as he was at first cast as a temporary character before wowing the producers resulting in his character being rewritten. Seriously, can you imagine LOST without him?

Thirdly, is it me or did Pickett try to make it expressly clear that he wasn't going to kill Sawyer. He almost sounded to me disgusted by the very idea of having Sawyer shot rather than "shocked".

Finally, I just realised this but the fish biscuits - their red. Maybe like a red herring?

Originally posted by JackofBlades
My main thing is, have any of you seen the videocast for episode 1? The writers (can't remember their names lol) said that there are more than one faction of the Others. Maybe Karl was from one of them, and I wonder if the other Others also live in small Desperate Housewives style accomodation.

if this is true, then it can be considered some hefty spoiler material...

anyway, i could imagine that there are "groups" of others (as i have posted about before)...

Secondly, it is clear that Ben is in fact Him. Originally I don't think he was going to be (hence what he said in series 2) but as he was at first cast as a temporary character before wowing the producers resulting in his character being rewritten. Seriously, can you imagine LOST without him?

everything said here is correct...

Thirdly, is it me or did Pickett try to make it expressly clear that he wasn't going to kill Sawyer. He almost sounded to me disgusted by the very idea of having Sawyer shot rather than "shocked".

i didn't get this impression...

spoiler-ish:

sawyer, in fact, does have a very important purpose to the others (as i have read some weeks ago, i don't read spoilers now)...

the following is a theory based on opinion and through other theories posted elsewhere...

the others' plan for jack, kate, and sawyer:

the "escape" of sawyer and kate:

yupp, you heard correct...

they will "escape"...

why am i using parenthesis???

because ben and company will allow them to escape (without their knowledge)

ben was keenly watching sawyer's little speech about how the others will make a mistake and, when they do, the two will break out...

why, after all this time and work, would ben want those two to escape???

because they will have served their respective purposes and roles to the others...

maybe the others really need those two for something else but once these goals are completed, they will "escape" (the others will allow them to without their knowledge)...

sawyer and kate will be lead to believe that jack died:

the others will tell them this (of course it will be a lie)...

why???

this is the only way that they would leave him behind...

plus, the others don't want the rest of the survivors (once sawyer and kate return) to come looking for them...

jack will join the others:

yes, this must happen...

the theme of "who will i be" (in one of those promo videos for this season) is a great one...

the others are all about this theme (think about juliet and how she said that it doesn't matter about who they were, it only matters about who they are)...

the others will show their true colors and show jack that they are the "good guys"...

jack wll be affected by this (and maybe even fall for juliet) and join the others...

or, alternatively, maybe he will be tricked into the joining the others...

but, the point is, it will be a permanent fusion...

jack will never go back to the losties...

this is why it will be so shocking...

another version of the "escape" and manipulating jack:

the others, and their vast manipulation tactics, will somehow get jack to see sawyer and kate "escaping"...

jack will be lead to believe that kate chose sawyer as her man and that the two knowingly left him behind (this will be a lie though)...

but, even with this version of the "escape," sawyer and kate must believe that jack is dead...

why???

the others really don't want any more trouble from the losties...

after those two "escape," jack will really have nothing to go back for...

he will then join the others because they really are "good" and maybe even because he falls for juliet...

why the others want jack:

who the hell knows

there is no way to even fathom this (as of now)...

just wild speculation:

maybe they need his help off-island (and he will really "go home")...

but, like 'lost' is famous for, there will be a twist (like the outside world is different, who knows though)...

i hope you enjoyed this theory...

its not that well thought out (i apologise) because its 11:00pm here and i was bored, so i decided to write a 'lost' theory

Originally posted by they see ALL
i hope you enjoyed this theory...

Pretty good theory

I was leaning toward the idea that Jack will stay with the others (on his own will) but never thought about the "escape" and them telling Kate and Sawyer that Jack is dead.

Maybe later on down the road (way down the road) the losties (either on the island or back home) will find out that Jack was/is alive when Sawyer and Kate escaped.

[edit on 14/10/2006 by SportyMB]

Originally posted by SportyMB
Maybe later on down the road (way down the road) the losties (either on the island or back home) will find out that Jack was/is alive when Sawyer and Kate escaped.

[edit on 14/10/2006 by SportyMB]

this would be pretty cool, later on though...

the shock value of this would be great if the losties eventually find out that jack was alive and joined the others

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episode three is on tonight!!!

check out the preview here:

linky...

another great episode...

it looks like locke will have to be the hero for jack / sawyer / kate...

i don't think, however, that he will be "successful"...

this is the others' island and if they don't want it to be done, it will not be done...

maybe the others will "allow" locke to "save" only saywer and kate

the preview for next episode seems like the others will be conditioning kate by torturing sawyer...

theory:

the younger others are a separate "group" from our others...

but they are connected to our others...

the kids may have lesser rights than the regular others (like ben, tom, pickett, etc)...

are the children living in caves (as apposed to the niiice village we saw in the first episode)???

note that locke found a toy truck in the bear's cave in tonight's episode...

they are put in cages (and other not-so-nice things happen to them)???

like carl???

is alex in our other group or the group with the kids???

my answer:

she is with the kids (or, at least, on their side) as she helped claire and was hiding herself from the others when talking to kate...

just one question,

why aren't desmond, ecko and locke dead?

desmond loses all his clothes, locke is thrown god knows where in the jungle, ecko is kidnapped by a polar bear after being blown up by the dynamite and then being blown up by the hatch again..

there's only a hole where the hatch used to be..

why isn't charlie saying 'ummm, hey if there's just a hole where the hatch was, why in the world aren't you dead locke'?!!

cor blimey!

Originally posted by shaunybaby
just one question,

why aren't desmond, ecko and locke dead?

charlie should be dead also, as he was in the hatch too...

also, desmond can, i guess, see into the future of sorts (he knew about locke's speech)...

remember, the producers said that on a scale of one to ten, what occurred in that hatch in the season two finale was an eleven, in relation to its importance...

i think charlie ran away, he was caught by the blast of the dynamite a bit, but i think he was back at the camp with claire when the hatch blew up..

as for the other three surviving the blast, must be some significance behind that, in the how and why they did..

maybe you don't die on the island unless you're supposed to die, for example boone was a sacrifice the island demanded, unless it's 'your time' on the island.. you can survive almost anything perhaps..

Don't forget Ben was coming for Locke when he was captured.

Don't forget Ben was the one who convinced Locke not to push the button.

The Others want Locke, but he was losing his faith in the island. Now he's got it back and add some. I don't know why they picked Jack, Sawyer and Kate specifically (maybe because the other survivors need them) but they took them so that Locke will come for them.

Once he comes for them they will be released back to the other survivors and they will want to take Locke. Whether that goes to plan or not I don't know.

That's my theory anyway.

Originally posted by shaunybaby
i think charlie ran away, he was caught by the blast of the dynamite a bit, but i think he was back at the camp with claire when the hatch blew up..

no, charlie came back to the camp after the light show occurred...

maybe you don't die on the island unless you're supposed to die, for example boone was a sacrifice the island demanded, unless it's 'your time' on the island.. you can survive almost anything perhaps..

hmmm, interesting but i don't think so...

there haven't been many significant deaths on the island...

shannon died because ana shot her by accident, ana and libby died because michael needed to free ben (and because the actreses that play ana and libby were arrested for drunk driving), etc...

people on the island die all the time, even the others...

Originally posted by John Nada
The Others want Locke

really???

they should have put locke on the list then instead of jack / sawyer / kate / hurley

i believe that ben's task to was make locke loose faith in the button himself (that's why ben said he didn't push the button when lock was trapped under the blast door)...

ben was playing some major mind games with locke and him saying that he was coming for locke was part of it, and a lie...

ben doesn't want locke, in my opinion...

if they did, they would have had him in the last few episodes of season two...

What a crazy episode! That was some weird stuff...

My question is, was anyone able to make out what was written on Eko's "Jesus Stick"? I know they say that its scripture, but in this episode it appeared that when Locke read it, he read something really important that made him do what he did. They flashed to it for a second but not enough to read anything- I could have sworn that I even saw Locke's name written on it. Also, if you remember back to the end of last season, when it was just Desmond and Locke in the main hatch room with Eko shut outside, Desmond picked up the "Jesus Stick" and read what appeared to be the same "scripture." This immediately caused him to change his opinion and he argued with Locke to press the button.

I'm not sure if any of this has been discussed anywhere, or if I'm mistaken and I'm just making something out of absolutely nothing. If so, I apologize. It's just really had me scratching my head.

And one more question that hopefully someone can answer, if it can even be answered. When Locke was living in that camp or compound or whatever you want to call it, in his most recent flashbacks, did all of that take place after the whole kidney fiasco and his relationship with that woman? Because of what he said about family when he said "Grace", I thought that maybe it took place after that betrayal by his father. But then again, he's probably had problems with his family for most, if not all of, his life. So then the whole "Grace" thing wouldn't really be relevant as far as time goes.

So... any ideas??? It's times like these that I wish I had Tivo! Then I could just go back and pause the screen and read the friggin "Jesus Stick." Also, I hope I'm not offending anyone by using Charlie's phrase for Eko's walking stick. It's just the best description, and most amusing one, of the stick that I've heard so far. Thanks in advance to anyone that can help!

PS- I am getting sick of waiting to find out how Locke was paralysed! He's still my favorite character on the island.

well, well, well

it looks like we have another great episode coming up next week...

upon further inspection of the preview for "every man for himself," i have noticed that sawyer is strapped to a table in the room where jack is being held!!!

ben is there and so is tom and two armed others...

is this what ben was talking about, is this what the others want jack to do (something with sawyer)???

were they just playing mind games with kate when ben was beating on sawyer (as seen in the preview)???

what i also see is a hooded jack being taken outside by juliet...

maybe she is bringing him to see kate???

Originally posted by Rasputin13
This immediately caused him to change his opinion and he argued with Locke to press the button.

i am pretty sure that it was the pearl station's papers (that said all time times the button was and wasn't pushed) that changed desmond's mind...

he asked locke when did the plane crash and locke answered and then desmond checked the papers and saw that the plane crashed on the same day as when he missed to press the button...

this caused him to believe that it was all "bloody real"...

When Locke was living in that camp or compound or whatever you want to call it, in his most recent flashbacks, did all of that take place after the whole kidney fiasco and his relationship with that woman?

i thought it took place after this whole fiasco too...

As usual a great episode of LOST!

I think its safe to say Locke's flashback was after his whole thing (hence the thanking god for removing his anger, and not speaking about his dad when eddy asked)

This is prolly nothing to, but did anyone notice how much like Tom Locke's male friend looked (can't remember his name).

I agree with TSA and say that Ben wasn't there to 'get' Locke. As good at fighting as the Others are they could never just take him. He was there to make Locke lose faith in himself, his life and what he believes. And he succeeded hence the very infamous 'look'

But like all of you I still am stumped as to what in the name of Lucifer the black prince is going on on the Island that DHARMA built

(not literally of course...)

:w: