Innocent Lebanese? Sorry, not in this universe

What happened when the countries asked for a cease fire to get the foreign nationals out? It didnt happen. People who tried to get out using THE ONLY way out were BOMBED by Israel. No respite at all. WTF does that tell you? In the history of war, there is generally a protocol for foreign nationals.

My beef is with the media! How much are we really told? Why is it that the media keep telling us it is only ONE area of Lebanon when in fact, I know mother truking otherwise. I am sick of hearing on the news that southern lebanon is being bombed and other areas are ok. EVEN those people from that area will be given refugee status. What a load of mother trucking carp. My friends live in the NORTHERN area FREE of hezbollah.

WHY did bombs go off in their area?
WHY have Israel BOMBED childrens schools & hospitals? ALL infrastructure has been targeted. Oh they must be targeting hezbollah children??????????!!!
WHY is there no network coverage? oh it must be cos its conjested. More lies.

This is genocide. And media coverage is not telling us everything.

Propaganda and lies.

And for the mother trucker who claims the lebanese people are not innocent. I would really like you to walk up to a lebanese person and say it to their face.
but you wouldnt, would you? coward! You can put your carp here where you can hide behind your internet connection. [personal insult removed]
Just like your blatant attack on lebanese people.



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[edit on 7/23/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by twitchy
Yeah about that tunnel...
< snip >
I guess when you have mossad running around in your front yard, strange things like that can happen.

Your mind is made up, and no amount of fact can reach it now.

But the whole situation begs the question, with hundreds of dead and 600,000 refugees and a completely demolished infrastructure and a probable new 'buffer zone' carved out of land that once again doesn't belong to Israel in the first place, is a couple of soldiers really adequete justification for that kind of destruction?

Once again, another person who thinks this entire incident is merely about two kidnapped soldiers.

Funny thing about it is Israel has already said that they won't even consider a prisoner exchange until the end of their military operations in Lebanon.

Not funny at all. If they stopped right now, they'd be back to the same situation in six months or less.

Originally posted by NJE777
What happened when the countries asked for a cease fire to get the foreign nationals out? It didnt happen. People who tried to get out using THE ONLY way out were BOMBED by Israel. No respite at all. WTF does that tell you? In the history of war, there is generally a protocol for foreign nationals.

You must be watching different news than me. Tens of thousands of foreign nationals have been evacuated, mostly via ship to Cyprus. Not a single incident of being bombed by Israel.

And for the mother trucker who claims the lebanese people are not innocent. I would really like you to walk up to a lebanese person and say it to their face.
but you wouldnt, would you? coward! You can put your carp here where you can hide behind your internet connection. [personal insult removed]
Just like your blatant attack on lebanese people.

It's a good thing you didn't name a particular person, because those kind of comments draw the red flags.

Relax. No use getting overheated because of an internet connection.

[edit on 7/23/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by NJE777
What happened when the countries asked for a cease fire to get the foreign nationals out? It didnt happen. People who tried to get out using THE ONLY way out were BOMBED by Israel. No respite at all. WTF does that tell you? In the history of war, there is generally a protocol for foreign nationals.

You want to know why? Because even though they are Americans...they are ARAB americans. Something that is no longer respected anymore it seems. Even though Lebanese are traditionally great americans. My family has been here since the early 191X and my family has fought in every war from The Cavalry in WWI to the Marines and yet we are being disrespected by having the USA allow Israel to bomb innocent Lebanese people even though we protest.

Its disgusting.

Originally posted by bombers8
Once again, another person who thinks this entire incident is merely about two kidnapped soldiers.

It may arrive as some surprise, but quite actually I think it's all about oil and pipeline security...
politics.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by wang
Please i beg anyone who does read this post, who does feel like lebanon does deserve what they are getting,

And you accuse me of ignorance! How dare you. Read my posts. I have stated again and again that the people of Lebanon are not guilty of anything, that they do not deserve this, and that I do wish they were not dying! Where do you get off making sensational accusations against me by submitting or implying false evidence against me?

Yes, all war is horrible, and no person ever deserves to die by human hands. That said, the people of Lebanon and their government are not innocent bystanders, they made a choice to allow Hezbollah to stay. Maybe it was the only sane choice, maybe it was the right choice, maybe it was the only choice, and maybe they had no other choice. Say whatever you want, but they made a choice.

A CHOICE. GET IT? A CHOICE.

Put the emotions down for sec. and listen to what I am saying. Their choice justifies none of the action taken against them, nor does it make them guilty or deserving, it just makes them not innocent bystanders.

Why does not make them innocent bystanders?

Because they made a CHOISE.


[edit on 23-7-2006 by cavscout]

Originally posted by cavscout

but they made a choice.

Firstly, if you would be familiar with the situation and/or monitored the news carefully you would know why Lebanon didn't disarm Hezbollah. Simply because its army isn't capable of doing so. Hezbollah is being supported financially, politically and military by Iran, and probably Syria too.

Secondly, the Hezbollah liberation party is democratically elected by its Lebanese citizens. Furthermore, Hezbollah does a lot of social work.

After every Israeli attack the last two decades they helped the Lebanese people literally rebuilding their lives, by supplying medical needs, construction materials, and first necessities of life. And yes, now they defend Lebanon.

But Mr Bush and Mr Zionist say Hezbollah is a terrorist organization and thus Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. Well, according to the US, Israel, the UK and Canada yes, but not according to European Union.

I am not a champion of the Bush administration. Does this mean I am allowed to call the Bush administration a terrorist government? After all, the Bush administration invaded Iraq based on false claims on Saddam’s so called WMD.

But hey, when the mighty US judges something right, then everyone is forced to accept it, isn't it? If they judge something wrong, the entire globe is forced to think the same and shut up






[edit on 23-7-2006 by Mdv2]

Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by cavscout

but they made a choice.

Secondly, the Hezbollah liberation party is democratically elected by its Lebanese citizens.

Thank you for helping me prove my point.

And just because the Bush administration promotes terror does not mean that Hezbollah doesn’t just because they are opposed to each other.

Also, the fact that Hezbollah helps people does not make mean it is not a terrorist organization. Hezbollah may help people out of altruism, or may be self serving.
After all, winning over the hearts and minds of the locals by helping them is a play taken right out of the US military Psychological Operations in Guerilla Warfare manual.

Your logic is flawed.

there are innocent people in all the conflicts you mentioned moron. why dont you tell the government you live in to stop what their doing militarily..see what happens to you. you can not blame the people for what their government is not doing.are you tellin me that a child has something to do with this conflict or his poor family that have NO PLACE TO GO. OK cavscout we are going to bomb you town now leave! Ohh but if you go over there and disarm that terrorist maybe he will let you live..NOT!!!

Originally posted by cavscout

Also, the fact that Hezbollah helps people does not make mean it is not a terrorist organization. Hezbollah may help people out of altruism, or may be self serving.

Yes in some way I support your statement they made a choice, which doesn't change the fact the Lebanese citizens are innocent.

One simple question, why shouldn't Israel's barbaric and irrational attacks on Lebanon not be defined as an act of terror, while Hezbollah's defensive fight should be?

While I condemn the abduction of the Israeli soldiers, the Israeli aggression against the Lebanese people is out of proportion. If a similar scenario would take place in Iraq, when US soldiers would get abducted the US would never respond in such a similar way as Israel does and Nazi Germany did in world war II. The world would condemn such an US response (rightfully).


[edit on 23-7-2006 by Mdv2]

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by NJE777
What happened when the countries asked for a cease fire to get the foreign nationals out? It didnt happen. People who tried to get out using THE ONLY way out were BOMBED by Israel. No respite at all. WTF does that tell you? In the history of war, there is generally a protocol for foreign nationals.

You want to know why? Because even though they are Americans...they are ARAB americans. Something that is no longer respected anymore it seems. Even though Lebanese are traditionally great americans. My family has been here since the early 191X and my family has fought in every war from The Cavalry in WWI to the Marines and yet we are being disrespected by having the USA allow Israel to bomb innocent Lebanese people even though we protest.

Its disgusting.

Actually the majority that would have left would have been white or white/Arab white/Aramaic tourist. People who actually live there the majority would have stayed. Also the majority population is Aramaic in Lebanon, not Arab, and a good chunk of the population is Maronite christian. The fact is however Israel very well could have held off for a week and let things escalate before actually bombing, that way civilians and foreigners could have gotten out. They should be condemned or that action and lack of responsibility, they did not hit any vital targets that couldn't have waited a week.


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[edit on 2006/7/23 by Hellmutt]

Originally posted by KLSyesca
are you tellin me that a child has something to do with this conflict

People, please!

Stop with the "little children" stuff. Did I not address this, did I not state publicly, here, that I do believe all children innocent, and that it is horrible that they must suffer for the actions of their parents, and that I am glad that they at least get a free ride to heaven (being innocent and all)?

Or did you just fail to read the entire thread before spewing your emotions onto the web?


Here, for all to see, cavscout retracts his former statement that there are no innocent Lebanese!

The only innocent Lebanese are the children, mentally handicapped, and those who, having no arms, were unable to fight Hezbollah. Oh, and those Lebanese who are blind. Cavscout reserves all rights to further modify the list of innocent Lebanese as more causes of innocence in this matter occur to him.

Originally posted by cavscout

If that's your ideology, fine, let us apply your ideology on the US.

In your ridiculous way of thinking all US citizens, including you, are responsible for the mess your government created in Iraq, where thousands of servicemen and innocent civilians died because of false US accusations on the Iraqi WMD.



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[edit on 2006/7/23 by Hellmutt]

[edit on 23-7-2006 by Mdv2]

Alright people, listen up!

MIDDLE EAST CONFLICT FORUM POSTING CONDUCT ##ALL MEMBERS PLEASE READ##

People are talking about Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, but that simply is not true.

Name one single terrorist attack by Hezbollah since the end of the Israeli occupation.

PLEASE!

Hezbollah is a political, humanitarian, and defense orgainization.

They would not even exist today if Israel had not invaded in a Sneak Attack back in 82` and occupied for a generation.

Originally posted by bombers8

This is for you, Malachai, and anyone else still laboring under this misconception:

The Israeli soldiers were not captured in Lebanon. They were captured in Israel.

The notion that they were captured in Lebanon has previously been touted and debunked right here on PTS:

politics.abovetopsecret.com...

Read the thread and discover the truth. As you read it, just remember the tunnel.

Why would Hezbollah need to use a tunnel to spirit away the soldiers, if they were already in Lebanon?

I read through it all, and to me it looks to be confirmed, not debunked.

What did you expect from the Zionists other than lies, and deception?

Lets not forget the real reason this started.

Originally posted by Malichai
People are talking about Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, but that simply is not true.

Name one single terrorist attack by Hezbollah since the end of the Israeli occupation.

PLEASE!

Hezbollah is a political, humanitarian, and defense orgainization.

They would not even exist today if Israel had not invaded in a Sneak Attack back in 82` and occupied for a generation.

Those Katyusha attacks on Israeli cities during "peace" are not terrorism?

And Israel attacked Lebanon in 1982 because of the same reason as today... The only difference was that in 1982 it was PLO attacking Israel not Hezbollah.

Originally posted by Mdv2

Originally posted by cavscout

If that's your ideology, fine, let us apply your ideology on the US.

In your ridiculous way of thinking all US citizens, including you, are responsible for the mess your government created in Iraq, where thousands of servicemen and innocent civilians died because of false US accusations on the Iraqi WMD.



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[edit on 2006/7/23 by Hellmutt]

[edit on 23-7-2006 by Mdv2]

Well, I don’t really know what "ideology" of mine you are referring to (looks as though it was removed accidentally from your post) however not only have I applied my ideology to the US, I knda did it in my original post.

Don’t be blinded by your hatred of the US, don’t let it make your ignorance show. Along the same lines, don’t let your hatred of war, death and suffering blind you. Don’t use morals as an excuse not to think things through.

Like a rabid animal, it drives some of you insane to think that someone is against the people of Lebanon, and you lash out blindly. Well, guess what; if you had read past the opening line of my original post, you would see that I am not against Lebanon. I do not support the killing of Lebanese people by Israel. I will never turn my back on Israel; however I will never say that Israel killing anyone is OK.


Please people READ BEFORE YOU POST!! How many times have I had to repeat myself from emotionally driven attacks in this thread when I already stated that I was not making the argument that a poster was claiming I was.

Ever heard about what happens when you ASSUME?

Deny ignorance and read before you post, so you don’t look like foolish people.


[edit on 23-7-2006 by cavscout]

Originally posted by cavscout
Don’t use morals as an excuse not to think things through.

Morality an excuse? That's the most right wing thing I have ever read Cavscout.

Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by cavscout
Don’t use morals as an excuse not to think things through.

Morality an excuse? That's the most right wing thing I have ever read Cavscout.

You know what I meant, and it is not what you imply.

Go ahead and spin it, its not my posterior showing.

PS, cavscout is so far from right wing it is not even funny. I knew you had me pegged for something I am not in your original post in this thread.

Just so you know(not that it is within the topic) cavscout does not support the Republican Party, or agree with the right on anything.

Cavscout is against government regulation of prostitution, medicine, gambling, drugs, free trade, or damn near anything else that isnt directly causing harm to anyone else.

Cavscout is also against terrorists in our government killing foreign people overseas. Cavscout is against the US involvement in Iraq.

Cavscout is not who you ASS-U-ME he is

You go sling accusations of being right wing at someone else.

I can’t believe that you base who you are going to agree or disagree with based on your perception of where they fall on a left-right political spectrum. Grow up.